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Postby Rolamec » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:14 pm

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Rolamec wrote:I dunno. Stereotypes of being polygamous? I mean anything that is new or misunderstood is viewed as strange (*cough* Roman Catholicism in the 1930s-1960s). I don't hate Mormons, a good friend of mine since I've known since childhood, who was like a grandfather, was a Mormon, he passed away recently from lung cancer. He was a nice guy, just trying to do the honest and right thing.

I wouldn't say Mormons are discriminated as much as Scientologists are. But really most Christian denominations have opinions about each other. Most evanglicals or "hard core" Christians don't view Catholicism as being Christian.


That is just blatant ignorance of the vast majority's religious beliefs.



Certainly, much like the notion that Catholicism is like a country club or that it is the only church or organization with scandals and hypocrites.
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Postby Coccygia » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:14 pm

I don't hate Mormons as individuals, any more than I hate Catholics as individuals. I don't care much for the hierarchy of the Mormon Church, any more than for that of the Catholic Church (which I despise)*. The Mormon Church also has far more control over the lives of its members. On top of that, Mormon beliefs are not just utterly retrograde, like those of the Church, but absolutely bat-sh*t crazy.




*I am a recovering Catholic and therefore entitled to dump on the Church as much as I want to. I went to parochial school. I paid my dues. Still have the scars to prove it.
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Postby Cool Egg Sandwich » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:15 pm

Coccygia wrote:I don't hate Mormons as individuals, any more than I hate Catholics as individuals. I don't care much for the hierarchy of the Mormon Church, any more than for that of the Catholic Church (which I despise)*. The Mormon Church also has far more control over the lives of its members. On top of that, Mormon beliefs are not just utterly retrograde, like those of the Church, but absolutely bat-sh*t crazy.




*I am a recovering Catholic and therefore entitled to dump on the Church as much as I want to. I went to parochial school. I paid my dues. Still have the scars to prove it.


Nice to see another 'recovering Catholic' on the boards...
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:17 pm

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Cool Egg Sandwich wrote:
That is just blatant ignorance of the vast majority's religious beliefs.



Certainly, much like the notion that Catholicism is like a country club or that it is the only church or organization with scandals and hypocrites.


I think that what people need to do is not hate someone because of what they believe in. Lumping is such a terrible thing to do. Inside the Mormon church, just like inside the Catholic, there are people who are good. Yeah, the scandals need not be denied, but you can't judge one individual by what his faith alone does. Judge the individual by his own merits.
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Postby Coccygia » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:18 pm

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Coccygia wrote:I don't hate Mormons as individuals, any more than I hate Catholics as individuals. I don't care much for the hierarchy of the Mormon Church, any more than for that of the Catholic Church (which I despise)*. The Mormon Church also has far more control over the lives of its members. On top of that, Mormon beliefs are not just utterly retrograde, like those of the Church, but absolutely bat-sh*t crazy.




*I am a recovering Catholic and therefore entitled to dump on the Church as much as I want to. I went to parochial school. I paid my dues. Still have the scars to prove it.


Nice to see another 'recovering Catholic' on the boards...

Oh, I'm sure there's plenty of them around. Maybe they just don't wanna break their anonymity?
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Postby Rolamec » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:25 pm

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Rolamec wrote:
Certainly, much like the notion that Catholicism is like a country club or that it is the only church or organization with scandals and hypocrites.


I think that what people need to do is not hate someone because of what they believe in. Lumping is such a terrible thing to do. Inside the Mormon church, just like inside the Catholic, there are people who are good. Yeah, the scandals need not be denied, but you can't judge one individual by what his faith alone does. Judge the individual by his own merits.


Absolutely. I get annoyed with people who mock priests as being child molesters. It's unfair, I know a lot of priests who are good guys, just trying to help people. I don't have much pity for bishops and cardinals though, one or two I've met, I thought were sincere people. But for the most part, they are politicians who are pompous and out of touch with their flock. And that should never be.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:28 pm

Rolamec wrote:
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I think that what people need to do is not hate someone because of what they believe in. Lumping is such a terrible thing to do. Inside the Mormon church, just like inside the Catholic, there are people who are good. Yeah, the scandals need not be denied, but you can't judge one individual by what his faith alone does. Judge the individual by his own merits.


Absolutely. I get annoyed with people who mock priests as being child molesters. It's unfair, I know a lot of priests who are good guys, just trying to help people. I don't have much pity for bishops and cardinals though, one or two I've met, I thought were sincere people. But for the most part, they are politicians who are pompous and out of touch with their flock. And that should never be.


I understand. I heard a lot of jokes while I was growing up. I was raised Catholic. I'm not participating anymore, but I can totally relate.

Yes, there are priests who are child molesters, however, there are also a lot of priests who genuinely want to do good in the name of their faith. Same as pastors, same as Mormons. We need to learn to sift and separate the good from the bad. The bad shouldn't be the all representative of something.
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:31 pm

I have a mormon friend; I find his religious beleifs bizzare, but he is a nice person.

I suspect that because they are not a billion strong like Catholocism or Sunni Islam and are a fairly young movement.

If they were an ancient denomination, or had sustantially more followers - either they would be more widely accepted, or you would have bleeding hearts mocking Ebil Mormon theorems in response to bigotry being directed at them.

I don't like any religious denomination other than Tibetan Buddhism anyway. (But I don't like the Dalai Llama - what a spoiled brat.)

I only hate, wahhabism. (In the sense that I am not willing to judge them as individuals.)

Oh, I'm sure there's plenty of them around. Maybe they just don't wanna break their anonymity?


Meh - recovering Sunni. Which is almost the same thing really.
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Postby New Auditore » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:34 pm

I used to be a Mormon until I became an Atheist. To me I just think it's such a strict religion and the people at my church weren't very rational or logical and to me they were just... kinda weird.
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Postby Cool Egg Sandwich » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:43 pm

New Auditore wrote:I used to be a Mormon until I became an Atheist. To me I just think it's such a strict religion and the people at my church weren't very rational or logical and to me they were just... kinda weird.


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Postby New Auditore » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:45 pm

Cool Egg Sandwich wrote:
New Auditore wrote:I used to be a Mormon until I became an Atheist. To me I just think it's such a strict religion and the people at my church weren't very rational or logical and to me they were just... kinda weird.


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Postby GothicLust » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:46 pm

Let me be very clear from the get-go. I know many individual Mormons who are great people, intelligent, good citizens, wouldn't hurt a fly. I am not talking about Mormons in this post. In this post I am talking about the Mormon religion.

Mormonism is seen as heretical by both the Catholic and most Christian churches. Their beliefs about Jesus directly conflict with the Nicene Creed. Their beliefs about heaven are also not biblical. If a Christian cares about what the Bible says and thinks it's true they can't also agree with Mormonism.

John Smith is seen as a snake oil salesman. He made up his own religion. His claims about history are fallacious in the worst degree. This isn't a flood myth he has to get around, he talks about another tribe of Jews in the US who were mistaken for Natives. This is easily falsifiable. His story is ludicrous and is repeated like truth.

Mormons are seen as secretive. The church seems shady.

Mormon hate goes back to the old west when they went around killin' folk. (of course they got killed a lot too)

Many mainstream Mormons either do not know the theology of their church or they outright ignore it. I think it's the first, as you have to do super secret rituals to get high up in the church.

Mormonism is heretical, mystical, secretive and some claim abusive. This is why people hate Mormons.

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Postby Cool Egg Sandwich » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:48 pm

GothicLust wrote:Let me be very clear from the get-go. I know many individual Mormons who are great people, intelligent, good citizens, wouldn't hurt a fly. I am not talking about Mormons in this post. In this post I am talking about the Mormon religion.

Mormonism is seen as heretical by both the Catholic and most Christian churches. Their beliefs about Jesus directly conflict with the Nicene Creed. Their beliefs about heaven are also not biblical. If a Christian cares about what the Bible says and thinks it's true they can't also agree with Mormonism.

John Smith is seen as a snake oil salesman. He made up his own religion. His claims about history are fallacious in the worst degree. This isn't a flood myth he has to get around, he talks about another tribe of Jews in the US who were mistaken for Natives. This is easily falsifiable. His story is ludicrous and is repeated like truth.

Mormons are seen as secretive. The church seems shady.

Mormon hate goes back to the old west when they went around killin' folk. (of course they got killed a lot too)

Many mainstream Mormons either do not know the theology of their church or they outright ignore it. I think it's the first, as you have to do super secret rituals to get high up in the church.

Mormonism is heretical, mystical, secretive and some claim abusive. This is why people hate Mormons.



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Postby Coccygia » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:51 pm

Actually hardcore fundamentalist Christians are the ones most against Mormons, whom they do not regard as Christians. Fundies consider the Mormons basically a non-Christian cult. Strangely, they sort of have a point - Mormons don't consider Jesus Christ the Son of God, unlike most Christian denominations, and they have an additional Holy Book besides the Bible.

BTW it's kinda funny to me that if I misspell "Mormon" one of the suggestions from the spell checker is, of course, "Moron". :lol:
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:51 pm

GothicLust wrote:Let me be very clear from the get-go. I know many individual Mormons who are great people, intelligent, good citizens, wouldn't hurt a fly. I am not talking about Mormons in this post. In this post I am talking about the Mormon religion.

Mormonism is seen as heretical by both the Catholic and most Christian churches. Their beliefs about Jesus directly conflict with the Nicene Creed. Their beliefs about heaven are also not biblical. If a Christian cares about what the Bible says and thinks it's true they can't also agree with Mormonism.

John Smith is seen as a snake oil salesman. He made up his own religion. His claims about history are fallacious in the worst degree. This isn't a flood myth he has to get around, he talks about another tribe of Jews in the US who were mistaken for Natives. This is easily falsifiable. His story is ludicrous and is repeated like truth.

Mormons are seen as secretive. The church seems shady.

Mormon hate goes back to the old west when they went around killin' folk. (of course they got killed a lot too)

Many mainstream Mormons either do not know the theology of their church or they outright ignore it. I think it's the first, as you have to do super secret rituals to get high up in the church.

Mormonism is heretical, mystical, secretive and some claim abusive. This is why people hate Mormons.


You could say that from the perspective of any religious denomination, towards any other religious denomination.

Jospeh smith isnt the only one who went around claiming he heard voices. And it's not like everyone who heard voices agree with each other, or that their followers have a factually coherent interpretation of history pertaining to how their beleifs developed.
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Postby The Corparation » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:51 pm

GothicLust wrote:, as you have to do super secret rituals to get high up in the church.

Mormonism is heretical, mystical, secretive and some claim abusive. This is why people hate Mormons.

No, that's Scientology. Your thinking of.
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I mainly have a problem with LDS because of them spending their massive amounts of money to engineer politics, like Prop 8 in California. But they have their right to practice their religion (albeit they shouldn't have a tax exempt status anymore).

The FLDS I view as a cult, and when their leader is in prison, that doesn't say much good about them. I see polygamy as a method of enslaving women, so I have even more issues with them.
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Because they come to our doors when the children happen to be near it, and they try to convince us to be Mormon.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:53 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:
GothicLust wrote:Let me be very clear from the get-go. I know many individual Mormons who are great people, intelligent, good citizens, wouldn't hurt a fly. I am not talking about Mormons in this post. In this post I am talking about the Mormon religion.

Mormonism is seen as heretical by both the Catholic and most Christian churches. Their beliefs about Jesus directly conflict with the Nicene Creed. Their beliefs about heaven are also not biblical. If a Christian cares about what the Bible says and thinks it's true they can't also agree with Mormonism.

John Smith is seen as a snake oil salesman. He made up his own religion. His claims about history are fallacious in the worst degree. This isn't a flood myth he has to get around, he talks about another tribe of Jews in the US who were mistaken for Natives. This is easily falsifiable. His story is ludicrous and is repeated like truth.

Mormons are seen as secretive. The church seems shady.

Mormon hate goes back to the old west when they went around killin' folk. (of course they got killed a lot too)

Many mainstream Mormons either do not know the theology of their church or they outright ignore it. I think it's the first, as you have to do super secret rituals to get high up in the church.

Mormonism is heretical, mystical, secretive and some claim abusive. This is why people hate Mormons.


You could say that from the perspective of any religious denomination, towards any other religious denomination.


Pretty much.

Sadly, people in most cases do not know how to discern between the individual who believes in X or Y creed from the creed itself. So, when it comes right down to it, they hate the people, not the belief system.
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Postby The Floridian Coast » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:54 pm

Rolamec wrote:I wouldn't say Mormons are discriminated as much as Scientologists are. But really most Christian denominations have opinions about each other. Most evanglicals or "hard core" Christians don't view Catholicism as being Christian.


Well Mormonism is a religion with varying branches of extremist cults and normal moderates. But Scientology is essentially a mafia. Seems proportional.
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Postby GothicLust » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:54 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:
GothicLust wrote:Let me be very clear from the get-go. I know many individual Mormons who are great people, intelligent, good citizens, wouldn't hurt a fly. I am not talking about Mormons in this post. In this post I am talking about the Mormon religion.

Mormonism is seen as heretical by both the Catholic and most Christian churches. Their beliefs about Jesus directly conflict with the Nicene Creed. Their beliefs about heaven are also not biblical. If a Christian cares about what the Bible says and thinks it's true they can't also agree with Mormonism.

John Smith is seen as a snake oil salesman. He made up his own religion. His claims about history are fallacious in the worst degree. This isn't a flood myth he has to get around, he talks about another tribe of Jews in the US who were mistaken for Natives. This is easily falsifiable. His story is ludicrous and is repeated like truth.

Mormons are seen as secretive. The church seems shady.

Mormon hate goes back to the old west when they went around killin' folk. (of course they got killed a lot too)

Many mainstream Mormons either do not know the theology of their church or they outright ignore it. I think it's the first, as you have to do super secret rituals to get high up in the church.

Mormonism is heretical, mystical, secretive and some claim abusive. This is why people hate Mormons.


You could say that from the perspective of any religious denomination, towards any other religious denomination.

Jospeh smith isnt the only one who went around claiming he heard voices. And it's not like everyone who heard voices agree with each other, or that their followers have a factually coherent interpretation of history pertaining to how their beleifs developed.

Yes you could. I did. Did you see how the OP wanted opinions and I explained mine? Wow! Amazing!

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Postby GothicLust » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:56 pm

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GothicLust wrote:, as you have to do super secret rituals to get high up in the church.

Mormonism is heretical, mystical, secretive and some claim abusive. This is why people hate Mormons.

No, that's Scientology. Your thinking of.

No, it's Mormonism.

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Postby GothicLust » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:56 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
EnragedMaldivians wrote:
You could say that from the perspective of any religious denomination, towards any other religious denomination.


Pretty much.

Sadly, people in most cases do not know how to discern between the individual who believes in X or Y creed from the creed itself. So, when it comes right down to it, they hate the people, not the belief system.

Hi, did you read my post? Or are you posting random shit to get attention?

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:59 pm

GothicLust wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Pretty much.

Sadly, people in most cases do not know how to discern between the individual who believes in X or Y creed from the creed itself. So, when it comes right down to it, they hate the people, not the belief system.

Hi, did you read my post? Or are you posting random shit to get attention?


You make me facepalm so much sometimes...

No, I read your post. My response however, if you know how to read (and I'm beginning to think otherwise), has nothing to do with your post. In fact, I agree with what you said. What I'm saying, pay attention, is that people (if you feels the water stings, w/e) DO NOT KNOW, in most cases, how to distinguish between one and the other.
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Postby Hegstoria » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:00 pm

Simply put? They're different. Mormons are different, they practice their faith differently, they (used to) accept polygamy, and wanted change. We spent a good deal on them in history class studying the early 19th century idea of a "Utopian society". They have a rich and fascinating history, by far one of the more interesting ones of any religious movements in this countries history. But back to my original point, they're just different. It's the same reason why Jews and Muslims are feared/hated by so many throughout history, they're just different. I know this probably isn't the answer you were looking for, but it's how I've always viewed it.
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