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Postby Coffee Cakes » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:54 am

Tekcirb wrote:Cos like all Christians

They're fucking ridiculous


And that uninformed opinion isn't ridiculous?

You win this trophy for that... :palm:
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Postby Risottia » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:16 am

Kalibarr wrote:So, Why do people hate Mormons?

...mostly because they stop me in the street and try to convert me. But I wouldn't say that I hate them. I'm annoyed by them.

Is there a way to get people to be more tolerant?

Yes. They should stop annoying me.
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Postby Rambhutan » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:37 am

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Postby Scientific socks » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:46 am

I hate mormons but im not racist. I hate everyone equally. Some more equally than others
One persons freedom is always at the expense of another. There are these dam laws in this country of mine preventing me from saying "hi" to my neighbour with a baseball bat. All I want to do is have my freedom of expression so he looses his freedom of movement.

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Postby Deus in Machina » Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:11 am

Scientific socks wrote:I hate mormons but im not racist. I hate everyone equally. Some more equally than others

Mormons aren't a race and equality is not quantative.
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Postby Xlanar » Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:58 am

Kalibarr wrote:Do Mormons hate them back?


I, being a LDS member, do not hold any sort of grudge against people who dislike my religion, I respect their right to choose for themselves what they wish to believe, and I have never met another member who holds any grudge towards people who disagree.
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Postby Xlanar » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:21 am

Gauthier wrote:And I'm sure Jews are thrilled with the Mormons posthumously converting Holocaust victims too.


Baptism for the dead does not mean that they are being converted, it is just a way of allowing them to have the option to do so.
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Postby Scientific socks » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:00 am

Deus in Machina wrote:
Scientific socks wrote:I hate mormons but im not racist. I hate everyone equally. Some more equally than others

Mormons aren't a race and equality is not quantative.


Race, Religion, political beliefs its all the same thing. I hate them all equally
One persons freedom is always at the expense of another. There are these dam laws in this country of mine preventing me from saying "hi" to my neighbour with a baseball bat. All I want to do is have my freedom of expression so he looses his freedom of movement.

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Postby Mazarat » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:07 am

Xlanar wrote:
Gauthier wrote:And I'm sure Jews are thrilled with the Mormons posthumously converting Holocaust victims too.


Baptism for the dead does not mean that they are being converted, it is just a way of allowing them to have the option to do so.


Hold on...baptism for the dead is giving the dead person the option of being baptised? Or am I just reading this wrong.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:11 am

I'm sure people hate Mormons for much the same reasons they hate any other group of people.

Mazarat wrote:
Xlanar wrote:
Baptism for the dead does not mean that they are being converted, it is just a way of allowing them to have the option to do so.


Hold on...baptism for the dead is giving the dead person the option of being baptised? Or am I just reading this wrong.

That's about right. Mormons, unsurprisingly, believe in an afterlife.

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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:19 am

I don't hate Mormons. I hate conservatives. Sometimes the two overlap.
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Postby Mosasauria » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:22 am

Tekcirb wrote:Cos like all Christians

They're fucking ridiculous

Ridiculous troll sighted. :roll:
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Postby Bottle » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:24 am

I don't hate Mormons, I just think their church is immoral, abusive, and a direct threat to my human rights. I think many Mormons are well-meaning people who are ignorant (whether honestly or willfully) of how dangerous their Church is. I feel mostly pity for the majority of Mormons. It's only their leaders and the people driving their abusive religion that I really dislike.
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Postby Mosasauria » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:26 am

Bottle wrote:I don't hate Mormons, I just think their church is immoral, abusive, and a direct threat to my human rights. I think many Mormons are well-meaning people who are ignorant (whether honestly or willfully) of how dangerous their Church is. I feel mostly pity for the majority of Mormons. It's only their leaders and the people driving their abusive religion that I really dislike.

I may be wrong, but I believe you are associating mormonism with several sects and the Church of Latter Day Saints.
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Postby Bottle » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:27 am

Mazarat wrote:
Xlanar wrote:
Baptism for the dead does not mean that they are being converted, it is just a way of allowing them to have the option to do so.


Hold on...baptism for the dead is giving the dead person the option of being baptised? Or am I just reading this wrong.

That's the idea.

In a twisted way, it's kind of a "nice" idea. See, the Mormons believe that you HAVE to be baptized in order to get into the good levels of Heaven. (Mormon heaven has levels.) But they realize there are tons of people who died before even hearing about Mormonism, and therefore died before they even had a chance to get baptized. So, their way of "helping" those poor souls is to have a living Mormon be baptized in the name of the dead person. The idea is that this will then give the dead person's soul the option to accept the baptism and be converted and then get into the good heaven.
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Postby Bottle » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:27 am

Mosasauria wrote:
Bottle wrote:I don't hate Mormons, I just think their church is immoral, abusive, and a direct threat to my human rights. I think many Mormons are well-meaning people who are ignorant (whether honestly or willfully) of how dangerous their Church is. I feel mostly pity for the majority of Mormons. It's only their leaders and the people driving their abusive religion that I really dislike.

I may be wrong, but I believe you are associating mormonism with several sects and the Church of Latter Day Saints.

Nope. I believe the mainstream LDS church is immoral, abusive, and a direct threat to my human rights.
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Postby Mosasauria » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:28 am

Bottle wrote:
Mosasauria wrote:I may be wrong, but I believe you are associating mormonism with several sects and the Church of Latter Day Saints.

Nope. I believe the mainstream LDS church is immoral, abusive, and a direct threat to my human rights.

Okay then. :unsure:
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Postby Nullarni » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:41 am

Huh... The church is better known than I thought. Having grown up in the south, I always just assumed that I was part of another minority christian group. None of my friends ever heard of our church, and none of them really cared. Interesting...
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Postby Phillippanoa » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:41 am

Risottia wrote:
Kalibarr wrote:So, Why do people hate Mormons?

...mostly because they stop me in the street and try to convert me. But I wouldn't say that I hate them. I'm annoyed by them.


which means you also are annoyed by Greenpeace, Jehovah's witnesses, WWF, Hare Krishna's, phone companies.... anyone who tries to spread a message.

Panzerjaeger wrote:I personally wouldn't be surprised to see a schism to be honest. Their continued pandering to the more nutwing part of the church isn't helping. The Prop 8 thing caused enough trouble within the church without adding more open homophobia over the pulpit full of blatant lies and their silencing of LDS Psychologists who have been demanding the Church fix their position on Homosexuality before more Teens kill themselves. Hell one kid hanged himself because he was wanking...yes wanking. :palm:


so killing yourself for an ideal, a belief, is somehow worse than killing yourself because, for example, you don't have any money?

Ugasolva wrote:I dont hate them, I love their choir, however i find it laughable at most that God spoke to their founder soo yyeah.


how many religions do you know of where the god or gods have not communicated with humans? (in religions with a god or gods)

And if God communicated with Old Testament prophets, why would he stop? Why would he not call other prophets and communicate with them too? Why would God abandon his children?

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Postby Andaluciae » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:52 am

Kalibarr wrote:So, Why do people hate Mormons?


Couple of reasons, really.

In the Present, and most legitimate: Social conservative activism; attempts at organizational capture (Boy Scouts, the Republican Party and the State of Utah come to mind); exclusionary nature; substance restrictions (without my substances, I'd die!); Utah in its entirety; relative geographic isolation, and the perception that they remain separate.

Less tangible/association reasons: Let's let some foul mouthed kids describe the apparent philosophical puzzlement associated with the origins story--specifically, the hidden knowledge bit; association with the fucking crazies. (We, as a society, totally want to shoot these flds fuckers)

Past prejudice: The origin of the vast bulk of the bad external relations of the LDS Church comes from one source, and one source alone: Goddamn fucking polygamy. Without polygamy, they'd have been treated no different from the Jews, Catholics, Lutherans or what have you. It made men jealous, scared women, and was so radically different that it was unconscionable to have it fit into a society. Alistair Cooke provides an excellent, albeit brief, overview in his 1973 popular history of America. While polygamy has been banned by the LDS church, the prejudice hasn't died.
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Postby Bottle » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:54 am

Andaluciae wrote:While polygamy has been banned by the LDS church, the prejudice hasn't died.

Let's be clear on this:

Polygamy hasn't been banned by the LDS Church. Only EARTHLY polygamy has been banned, and to Mormons what happens on this Earth is far, far less important than the afterlife. In the afterlife, polygamy is still the rule. Each good Mormon man will be given his own planet to rule over, and will have "spirit wives" who bear him "spirit children" to populate that world. Polygamy is still a central and key element of mainstream Mormon theology.
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Postby Andaluciae » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:58 am

Bottle wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:While polygamy has been banned by the LDS church, the prejudice hasn't died.

Let's be clear on this:

Polygamy hasn't been banned by the LDS Church. Only EARTHLY polygamy has been banned, and to Mormons what happens on this Earth is far, far less important than the afterlife. In the afterlife, polygamy is still the rule. Each good Mormon man will be given his own planet to rule over, and will have "spirit wives" who bear him "spirit children" to populate that world. Polygamy is still a central and key element of mainstream Mormon theology.


Quite. I was focusing more heavily on tangible bits us merry non-Mormons, and not the private planet bullshit.

Which is actually pretty fucking weird.

And definitely creepy...
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Postby Bottle » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:00 am

Andaluciae wrote:
Bottle wrote:Let's be clear on this:

Polygamy hasn't been banned by the LDS Church. Only EARTHLY polygamy has been banned, and to Mormons what happens on this Earth is far, far less important than the afterlife. In the afterlife, polygamy is still the rule. Each good Mormon man will be given his own planet to rule over, and will have "spirit wives" who bear him "spirit children" to populate that world. Polygamy is still a central and key element of mainstream Mormon theology.


Quite. I was focusing more heavily on tangible bits us merry non-Mormons.

Fair 'nuff. Personally, I'm just as squigged out by their current endorsement of eternal polygamy in heaven, but I realize I'm probably not typical of most Americans or the majority American view of Mormonism. :D
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:02 am

Kalibarr wrote:Today my friend said this to me when we were talking about a girl getting accepted to Brigham Young University

"I guess I don't believe in freedom of religion, because you know, they're just wrong"

Unfortunately I never got to finish the conversation, the bell rang and I had to get to a bus on the other side of the school.

Now, I'm an Atheist, and I honestly don't know a whole lot about Mormonism, or for that matter, even about what ever branch of Christianity my friend follows.

Now he is a pretty hardcore christian, but I've heard plenty of other people made nefarious comments about Mormons as well, even some who aren't all that religious.

Now, I kind of though interdenominational conflict was something mostly confined to the 16th and 17th centuries, and that the main aspect of Mormonism that other branches of christianity didn't like, polygamy, no longer exist in mainstream Mormanism, and for that matter hasn't for some time.




So, Why do people hate Mormons?



Do Mormons hate them back?

and perhaps a silly question, but

Is there a way to get people to be more tolerant?

mostly people "hate" mormons because they are heretics who used to have polygamy. (some still do but they are apostate mormons)

southern baptists "hate" mormons because the mormon missionaries have their best success with converting members of that sect.

some people "hate" mormons because of the way they stick together and skirt rules in order to the members to prosper.

typical human reactions to "the other". it doesnt have to make good sense. but i think its serioius enough that it will be hard for the 2 mormons supposedly running for the republican nomination to get the votes of the evangelical protestant base.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:08 am

Young Mormon women are often very attractive. Mormon men get to bang them in multiples. Jealousy is the answer.
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