Which would be worse for a kid?

[Isworld]

Not unless they confuse pixels for atoms, anyways. And once that happens, you have a mentally incompetent person for dealing with reality.

I think a large part of this problem is that children are sometimes having trouble seperating the obvious (to you and I) fictional situations, and actions in video games (or movies, or music, or porn mags) and they develop unrealistic expectations of how... reality works. You know, just like how everyone who plays D&D really thinks they are the half-elf wizard.

Being a minor dosen't make you stupid or feebleminded, fool. I semi-recently turned 15 and I have never had any problems ever with distinguishing reality from games, movies, music or whatever. It's people who make such generalizations who've screwed the entire planet up so bad. For the sake of those of us who are not complete morons, please don't go through life making huge assumptions.

[Hellsgrind]

Difference between those are:
Excessive Violence ossible to reduce human population
Excessive Sexual situation : Possible to increase human population

Yes, I'm don't know what I'm talking about...

We use both in conjunction to bring balance to the Force.

Simple, right?

It is simple.

We use too much of Option 1, and we can never use Option 2 again. However, we use too much of Option 2, we can still keep Option 1 there for a rainy day.

[Der Teutoniker]

Do kids want to become a plumber or visit Italy when they play Super Mario? No? Then video games has nothing to do with the psyche of kids.

Wait a minute... are you saying that no one who has ever played Mario, grew up to be a plumber? I mean... odds are it's happened at least once, right? Exactly, everyone who hasn't become a plumber is just lucky.

[Der Teutoniker]

Being a minor dosen't make you stupid or feebleminded, fool. I semi-recently turned 15 and I have never had any problems ever with distinguishing reality from games, movies, music or whatever. It's people who make such generalizations who've screwed the entire planet up so bad. For the sake of those of us who are not complete morons, please don't go through life making huge assumptions.

I'll do you the courtesy of suggesting that you re-read my post again. Perhaps more carefully this time.

[Norstal]

I think a large part of this problem is that children are sometimes having trouble seperating the obvious (to you and I) fictional situations, and actions in video games (or movies, or music, or porn mags) and they develop unrealistic expectations of how... reality works. You know, just like how everyone who plays D&D really thinks they are the half-elf wizard.

Being a minor dosen't make you stupid or feebleminded, fool. I semi-recently turned 15 and I have never had any problems ever with distinguishing reality from games, movies, music or whatever. It's people who make such generalizations who've screwed the entire planet up so bad. For the sake of those of us who are not complete morons, please don't go through life making huge assumptions.

Why are you calling him a moron or a fool? In an intelligent discussion?

[Rolamec]

Neither, as a child, I grew up watching action packed movies of the 80s and 90s, filled with testosterone induced badasses ripping off the arms and heads of evil doers while nailing bodacious three-boobed babes, and I turned out fucking alright...except of course I have trust issues causing me to have meaningless sex with girls, doubts about my ability to succeed due to a condescending father and over protective mother, and borderline alcoholism to fill in the void that should be my soul. But aside from that, I'm A-okay.

Well shit, I'm bummed out now :/

[Der Teutoniker]

It is simple.

We use too much of Option 1, and we can never use Option 2 again. However, we use too much of Option 2, we can still keep Option 1 there for a rainy day.

We're talking Options 1, and 2 as laid out in the OP, and not in the poll, right?

Because the OP lists violence first, while the poll lists sex first. I'm trying to figure out how too much sex means no more violence!

[Grainne Ni Malley]

Being a minor dosen't make you stupid or feebleminded, fool. I semi-recently turned 15 and I have never had any problems ever with distinguishing reality from games, movies, music or whatever. It's people who make such generalizations who've screwed the entire planet up so bad. For the sake of those of us who are not complete morons, please don't go through life making huge assumptions.

Why are you calling him a moron or a fool?

It's that whole teenage angst thing.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You see, there is magic in accepting someone else's point of view, as theirs. I don't have to agree with your view, but I don't have to dis it either. As I said, we are shaped, in our views, by different factors.

Agreed. I generally like hearing other people's stances, and opinions (where a knee-jerk reaction doesn't decide my reaction for me!) I think it helps color in a better, more complete view of the world, and... the other people in the world.

I can definitely accept at least some level of cultural relativism.

Especially when someone uses the word 'view' several times in a row, right?

I think it's time for me to go night night. I don't think I am making much sense anymore. I just responded a TG to The Rich Port with a whole explanation, rather zealously, on why I am a fan of Medieval art.

I am sure he thinks by now that I am bizarre.

[Der Teutoniker]

Why are you calling him a moron or a fool? In an intelligent discussion?

The best part is, if you read my actual post, I said nothing close to "all people under the age of 18 cannot seperate any fantasy from reality".

[Der Teutoniker]

I am sure he thinks by now that I am bizarre.

Nana... don't kid yourself... he's probably already been thinking that!

[Allisa 5]

Kids not knowing the difference between a video game and real life is bad. parent's not teaching kids the difference is worse.

100% agreed
that is the reason not the games and if that can't be seen then the person debating against it is as blind as a bat.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I am sure he thinks by now that I am bizarre.

Nana... don't kid yourself... he's probably already been thinking that!

Shuddup, you. *waves little fist at you*



G'night!

[Der Teutoniker]

Shuddup, you. *waves little fist at you*



G'night!

Never! Good night.

[Norstal]

Why are you calling him a moron or a fool?

It's that whole teenage angst thing.

Wowzerz. I made a person go away with a simple rhetorical question. Now if only I can do that in real life.

[Dagnia]

While I think with good parenting and schooling (something in very short supply in the US and not really so much better elsewhere) both may actually be beneficial to a growing impressionable child, as they can then be put into a proper context and it can be explained to the child that this is an extremely warped depiction of sex, violence and reality itself. However in reality, most parents would not be allowed to have kids if I were in power because they are inept if they are there at all, and as for the schools, I have long thought the entire system should just be torn down, all education majors past and present executed, and started over again from scratch because it is so bad, and I do think one is worse for unsupervised children.

Sex is something you are going to do because you are human and unless you are deformed or the proper hormones never kick in, you are going to do it. It is normal, though often portrayed in a warped way in pornographies and even non-pornographic films.

Violence however is abnormal, even when it occurs in reality. If it were normal, we would not hear about it on the news, because the news would be full of stories about the few people who had a completely uneventful day and countries experiencing peace. While in the end, we are responsible for our own action, I do think it desensitizes children from real life violence and makes them less empathetic.

[Saiwania]

Both can be a bad influence on children. It depends really on if you believe your child is mature enough to be able to handle it without developing any negative/undesired attitudes. I personally, would just follow the MPAA/ESRB ratings system because I'm not of the permissive type and would enjoy saying NO to certain things, even if I watch/play such content for myself.

[JJ Place]

Saw this discussion on a On-line comic diccussion thread http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comic/2011/02/07/ironic-situation/(Scroll to the bottom of the comic). So which is worse for "kids" (meaning under 13 years old)?

Excessive violence in video games?

or

Sexual situations/nudity in video games?


Pesonally, If kids are old enough to learn abou sex in school or from their parents, Sexual situations/Nudity in Video games probably isn't that big a deal. Violent games, I think should be withheld until 15-16 years old.

Neither violence, nor sexuality and sexual content, in any form of media, has, does, or will ever be bad for kids whom use this media. No media will ever change a person's psychological state of mind, and has never caused any to commit any crimes, wrong any one or anything, or do anything bad to anyone. Media and items do not change individual's choices, or effect individual's choices in and of life; people make their own decisions regardless of both items available and media consumed. People neither commit suicidal school shootings because of access to firearms, nor as a result of playing video games; Individuals commit atrocities such the Columbine Massacre and the Virgina Tech Shootings, not because the shooters play violent videos, or have played violent videos game, nor because the individuals discovered access to firearms ( each of the two items blamed by separate groups for causing the shootings, in some instances receiving 100% of the blame for the shootings ) , Individuals commit crimes and cause atrocities because they're mental disturbed, and finally go crazy because of events that non- insane individuals wade through and conquer ever single day; and for no additional reasons than that of psychological quandaries of individuals.

So, in conclusion, and to wrap this post up nicely: There are no problems with virtual violence, or virtual sexuality, witnessed by children; it's just virtual, and it does not harm anyone at all in any way, shape, or form, media never has, and media never will.

[Minotzia]

No media will ever change a person's psychological state of mind, and has never caused any to commit any crimes, wrong any one or anything, or do anything bad to anyone. Media and items do not change individual's choices, or effect individual's choices in and of life; people make their own decisions regardless of both items available and media consumed.

I'd say that is going too far, after all, what purpose would channels like HSN or commercials serve?

[Komoras]

Neither is a choice right?
Seeing sex scenes hasn't done anything wrong for me. I see sex and i go ...why do i care?
I see violence i go....this looks....AWESOME! The difference is this, people know violence in real life sucks its grimy and lots of clean up time. While sex in real life is awesome its grimy with lots of clean up time....
Violence and sex in games/movies has 0 effects on kids. Seeing it happen in real life does. The difference? You know its real while in the game/movie you could stop it with a button, this you can't because...its real.

[JJ Place]

No media will ever change a person's psychological state of mind, and has never caused any to commit any crimes, wrong any one or anything, or do anything bad to anyone. Media and items do not change individual's choices, or effect individual's choices in and of life; people make their own decisions regardless of both items available and media consumed.

I'd say that is going too far, after all, what purpose would channels like HSN or commercials serve?

The HSN and commercials have never caused anyone to shoot up a school; commercials and advertising don't really change your state of mind, they simply tell you of a particular product of service, and attempt to ensure the consumer to buy the product. The commercial and or advertisement does not actually change a person's way of thinking; it just attempts to tell a person to buy something, an item that, if a consumer might have found without the advertisement, the product might have ensured an incredibly similar effect of the consumer, and, if the consumer would buy the product with the addition of the advertising, the consumer might also buy the product having simply stumbled upon the product; it's not about changing a consumers way of thinking, it's about getting the word out about a product or a service.

[Squizard]

Who cares?

I've been playing violent games since I can remember, and I first flipped through a porn magazine when I was 12. No problems here thus far.

Exacly.
I have been watching "stuff" and virtualy killin' since i was 3.

[Minotzia]

I'd say that is going too far, after all, what purpose would channels like HSN or commercials serve?

The HSN and commercials have never caused anyone to shoot up a school; commercials and advertising don't really change your state of mind, they simply tell you of a particular product of service, and attempt to ensure the consumer to buy the product. The commercial and or advertisement does not actually change a person's way of thinking; it just attempts to tell a person to buy something, an item that, if a consumer might have found without the advertisement, the product might have ensured an incredibly similar effect of the consumer, and, if the consumer would buy the product with the addition of the advertising, the consumer might also buy the product having simply stumbled upon the product; it's not about changing a consumers way of thinking, it's about getting the word out about a product or a service.

XD I cut the quote too long sorry! I meant the second part of it; media definitely affects our state of mind, and therefore our choices.

Commercials aren't just about getting the word out, though that's obviously a major reason. Ultimately they want you to buy their product/service, and that usually entails at least a bit of argument, whether it be based on sound logic or not.

I think it can be argued pretty well that it can also change our psychology (after all it's a HUGE input and the major source of new info for the average person).

Topically, I agree that average people are intelligent/sane enough to see through the barrier between fiction and reality, but I really can't back the claim that media doesn't affect us.

[Esternial]

As long as they don't posses entire shelves of the stuff, I see no problems with it.

[Servantium]

Neither one is actually bad for a kid I'd say, but violence is worse because sex isn't inherently harmful.

I've asked someone else - no answer yet. Why is violence inherently harmful?

You're equivocating the word harm.

Harm -
* injury: any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.
* damage: the act of damaging something or someone

Violence is inherently harmful.