Which would be worse for a kid?

[Der Teutoniker]

One does not pursue justice through aggression. Escalating aggression can, when done righteously, make you bigoted. As I have seen, there is no evil, there is only violations of property rights (including the inalienable property right to one's self). Restitution, not retaliation leads to justice. But that is off topic. And really, you expect children to understand what is evil? There is a debate on whether they should be trusted in evaluating something as simple as a video game!

We define justice very differently. I think that there is evil. What do you mean about righteous violence leading to bigotry? That part I just don't understand?

[Minotzia]

There's nothing inherently wrong about sex. There is something inherently wrong about violence.

Definitely not a concrete statement. There's a way to see both as inherently wrong, neither, and either-or. Personally I think there is nothing inherently wrong with either of them, as I don't ascribe to action/virtue-based ethical theories.

[Meryuma]

Well, obviously it hurts the person being violence'd against. That doesn't mean it's always wrong, though.

Right. And to more closely follow the scope of the thread, it's the subjection of children to violence.

Well, it's not so much the subjection of children to violence as much as the subjection of children to depictions of violence.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

If I may, and to go back on topic: why do you think violence, wanton or not, is ok? I am curious. I know our points of view are shaped by different factors, I would like to understand yours. (aside from human nature)

I understand that sheltering your children too much is bad. But isn't overexposure equally bad?

I honestly think that violence is a core tenet of what is human. By not giving children a realistic expectation of violence, it would breed pushovers. I also understand that his appeal won't be popular here, but I look to the cultural traditions of my forefathers - famous for their warriors.

I knew it. Especially when you said that violence can elevate you, it struck me as quite the Teutonic warrior frame of mind.

It's more that I don't think violence is necessarily wrong. Violence can be extraordinarily wrong, when used unjustly. When used against the innocent. I just don't think that violence is always wrong.

I think you and I agree on this. When it is unjustified (to put it in that way), violence is wrong. Inherently wrong, not really.

[Der Teutoniker]

I knew it. Especially when you said that violence can elevate you, it struck me as quite the Teutonic warrior frame of mind.

I think you and I agree on this. When it is unjustified (to put it in that way), violence is wrong. Inherently wrong, not really.

I'm sure I'm not known for my sublety, and crafty speech here!

Pretty much. When applied unjustly, violence is a terrible action.

[Havaco]

It is my belief that those who fight aggressively for a cause they believe in become corrupted. This belief is backed up time and time again in history. [Staying on topic,] does this mean that video games in which there is a definite good and definite evil will corrupt children who play them? The answer is no, for the same reason as violence and sexuality won't. Not unless they confuse pixels for atoms, anyways. And once that happens, you have a mentally incompetent person for dealing with reality.

[Der Teutoniker]

Well, it's not so much the subjection of children to violence as much as the subjection of children to depictions of violence.

Right, sorry, of course I didn't mean that like, beating children is what we should do. I meant subjection to depictions.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I knew it. Especially when you said that violence can elevate you, it struck me as quite the Teutonic warrior frame of mind.

I think you and I agree on this. When it is unjustified (to put it in that way), violence is wrong. Inherently wrong, not really.

I'm sure I'm not known for my sublety, and crafty speech here!

Pretty much. When applied unjustly, violence is a terrible action.

Ok, thanks, I was curious really. Tbh, one doesn't hear things like that often now.

[Havaco]

I knew it. Especially when you said that violence can elevate you, it struck me as quite the Teutonic warrior frame of mind.

I think you and I agree on this. When it is unjustified (to put it in that way), violence is wrong. Inherently wrong, not really.

I'm sure I'm not known for my sublety, and crafty speech here!

Pretty much. When applied unjustly, violence is a terrible action.

And any time it is used aggressively (transgressing against lockean property rights, including the inalienable property right to self), it is unjust, and must be restituted. As I said in my first post, there are places where violence is perfectly acceptable: martial arts sparring and fencing being my examples.

[Der Teutoniker]

Not unless they confuse pixels for atoms, anyways. And once that happens, you have a mentally incompetent person for dealing with reality.

I think a large part of this problem is that children are sometimes having trouble seperating the obvious (to you and I) fictional situations, and actions in video games (or movies, or music, or porn mags) and they develop unrealistic expectations of how... reality works. You know, just like how everyone who plays D&D really thinks they are the half-elf wizard.

[Grainne Ni Malley]

Not unless they confuse pixels for atoms, anyways. And once that happens, you have a mentally incompetent person for dealing with reality.

I think a large part of this problem is that children are sometimes having trouble seperating the obvious (to you and I) fictional situations, and actions in video games (or movies, or music, or porn mags) and they develop unrealistic expectations of how... reality works. You know, just like how everyone who plays D&D really thinks they are the half-elf wizard.

Half-elf Amazon here. And wait a minute... you mean I'm not?

[Der Teutoniker]

And any time it is used aggressively (transgressing against lockean property rights, including the inalienable property right to self), it is unjust, and must be restituted. As I said in my first post, there are places where violence is perfectly acceptable: martial arts sparring and fencing being my examples.

I wouldn't classify sports (as you mentioned) as "violence" per se (I guess, realistically, they are) but more of martial training/excercises.

I think we will simply have to agree to disagree. I don't think aggression need always be wrong.

[Isworld]

Neither. I was exposed to both from a young age and I'm not some sexual deviant who runs around stabbing people and then raping their corpses. No, that sort of behavior is reserved for people with mental problems or who've been seriously abused. Its not video games and sexy movies.

This.

[Der Teutoniker]

Half-elf Amazon here. And wait a minute... you mean I'm not?

Put down the Core Rulebook, and step away from the dice!

Don't make me bust out my wand - I'm way prepared to use it!

[Havaco]

Half-elf Amazon here. And wait a minute... you mean I'm not?

Put down the Core Rulebook, and step away from the dice!

Don't make me bust out my wand - I'm way prepared to use it!

I've a scroll of amnesia handy to deal with this. Just tie him up to a chair for ten minutes while I cast it.

[Der Teutoniker]

Ok, thanks, I was curious really. Tbh, one doesn't hear things like that often now.

Thanks for being... discussive (yep, I'll just make up a word.)

Not a lot of people seem tolerant to hear my extremist-sounding beliefs.

[Grainne Ni Malley]

Half-elf Amazon here. And wait a minute... you mean I'm not?

Put down the Core Rulebook, and step away from the dice!

Don't make me bust out my wand - I'm way prepared to use it!

Okay, okay. Put the ruler away. We don't want you hurting anybody. I'd have to send my vorpal rabbit familiar after you.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Ok, thanks, I was curious really. Tbh, one doesn't hear things like that often now.

Thanks for being... discussive (yep, I'll just make up a word.)

Not a lot of people seem tolerant to hear my extremist-sounding beliefs.

You see, there is magic in accepting someone else's point of view, as theirs. I don't have to agree with your view, but I don't have to dis it either. As I said, we are shaped, in our views, by different factors.

[Goulart]

Difference between those are:
Excessive Violence ossible to reduce human population
Excessive Sexual situation : Possible to increase human population

Yes, I'm don't know what I'm talking about...

[Havaco]

Difference between those are:
Excessive Violence ossible to reduce human population
Excessive Sexual situation : Possible to increase human population

Yes, I'm don't know what I'm talking about...

Depending on who you ask, which is good and which is bad differs. There are people who think there aren't enough humans on the planet and there are those who think there are.

[Der Teutoniker]

Difference between those are:
Excessive Violence ossible to reduce human population
Excessive Sexual situation : Possible to increase human population

Yes, I'm don't know what I'm talking about...

We use both in conjunction to bring balance to the Force.

Simple, right?

[Der Teutoniker]

Okay, okay. Put the ruler away. We don't want you hurting anybody. I'd have to send my vorpal rabbit familiar after you.

[Norstal]

Excessive violence in video games?

or

Sexual situations/nudity in video games?

Do kids want to become a plumber or visit Italy when they play Super Mario? No? Then video games has nothing to do with the psyche of kids.

[Der Teutoniker]

You see, there is magic in accepting someone else's point of view, as theirs. I don't have to agree with your view, but I don't have to dis it either. As I said, we are shaped, in our views, by different factors.

Agreed. I generally like hearing other people's stances, and opinions (where a knee-jerk reaction doesn't decide my reaction for me!) I think it helps color in a better, more complete view of the world, and... the other people in the world.

I can definitely accept at least some level of cultural relativism.

[Norstal]

And any time it is used aggressively (transgressing against lockean property rights, including the inalienable property right to self), it is unjust, and must be restituted. As I said in my first post, there are places where violence is perfectly acceptable: martial arts sparring and fencing being my examples.

I wouldn't classify sports (as you mentioned) as "violence" per se (I guess, realistically, they are) but more of martial training/excercises.

I think we will simply have to agree to disagree. I don't think aggression need always be wrong.

Except fencing and martial arts aren't violent by nature.