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Postby Norfsex » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:04 pm

If Satan, who, as I understand, rules, create, and controls all that is evil and is said to be worshiped by various heathen groups and witches, doesn't that make him, more or less, a god himself?
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:08 pm

You understand it incorrectly, unless you've got a different religion than me, in which case, yes he would count as a god. :P
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Postby Hagstromia » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:11 pm

If satan was enemies with God, wouldn't he want to spite him by instead of punishing people in hell, he makes it better then heaven? I mean if god wants them to be punished, Satan would want opposite in theory, right?

BTW I don't believe in any of this shit

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:13 pm

Hagstromia wrote:If satan was enemies with God, wouldn't he want to spite him by instead of punishing people in hell, he makes it better then heaven? I mean if god wants them to be punished, Satan would want opposite in theory, right?

BTW I don't believe in any of this shit


That's an interesting theory, you should bring it up with God at the next board meeting.

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:14 pm

Norfsex wrote:If Satan, who, as I understand, rules, create, and controls all that is evil and is said to be worshiped by various heathen groups and witches, doesn't that make him, more or less, a god himself?
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"a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality "


Satan does not rule, create, or control all that is evil. His role is more that of a prisoner/temptor/warden.

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Postby Hagstromia » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:16 pm

Oh alright, thanks. Can't say I was wondering, but it crossed my mind

I'll bring it up after I ask why the easter bunny gives out rotten eggs.

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Postby Brauzillia » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:17 pm

God is up there, but Satan is everywhere

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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:17 pm

I've always thought that people that believe Satan influences there lives believe in dualistic Christianity rather than monotheism. Still, I don't believe in any of it myself.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:18 pm

Satan is just God when he's pissed.
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Postby Neucom INC » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:19 pm

Being a religious rationalist, Satan is all together a confusing puzzle that governs evil. If all, he tries to do that to be more evil than he seems. Insanity causes more vileness than hate. He does not try to smite God or do battle with humanity unless he thinks he's going to win.
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Postby Hagstromia » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:20 pm

Oh alright, thanks. Can't say I was wondering, but it crossed my mind

I'll bring it up after I ask why the easter bunny gives out rotten eggs.

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Postby Rolamec » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:20 pm

What about love and marriage?
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Postby South East Europe » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:23 pm

Neucom INC wrote:Being a religious rationalist, Satan is all together a confusing puzzle that governs evil. If all, he tries to do that to be more evil than he seems. Insanity causes more vileness than hate. He does not try to smite God or do battle with humanity unless he thinks he's going to win.


Religious rationalist is an oxymoron.
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Postby Neucom INC » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:23 pm

Hagstromia wrote:Oh alright, thanks. Can't say I was wondering, but it crossed my mind

I'll bring it up after I ask why the easter bunny gives out rotten eggs.


Double-post and accidental copy-and-paste? :eyebrow:
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Postby Neucom INC » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:24 pm

South East Europe wrote:
Neucom INC wrote:Being a religious rationalist, Satan is all together a confusing puzzle that governs evil. If all, he tries to do that to be more evil than he seems. Insanity causes more vileness than hate. He does not try to smite God or do battle with humanity unless he thinks he's going to win.


Religious rationalist is an oxymoron.


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Postby Hresejnen » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:25 pm

The idea that non-Christians are in fact devil worshipers is a pretty new idea. Christianity is actually henotheistic without influences from misguided missionaries.

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Postby Hindopia » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:26 pm

Norfsex wrote:If Satan, who, as I understand, rules, create, and controls all that is evil and is said to be worshiped by various heathen groups and witches, doesn't that make him, more or less, a god himself?
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I believe that your understanding is incorrect. As others have pointed out, Satan is not the ruler of all things evil but rather one who tempts other to sin and rebel against God.
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Postby Mushet » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:29 pm

It says nowhere in the bible that Satan runs hell
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Postby TableRase » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:29 pm

What if, all this time, God (YHWH) was...wait for it... Satan! *gets struck by lightning for blasphemy*
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Postby Jahada » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:31 pm

Well, my understanding is that Satan is not the opposite or enemy of God. He is the enemy of man because he leads them away from God. Plus, God is the one who allows Satan to exist in the first place, and he could get rid of him if he wanted to.

That's pretty *rational*, wouldn't you say?
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Postby Olthar » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:32 pm

Brauzillia wrote:God is up there, but Satan is everywhere

Nah. I tend to stay out of some of the IC forums.


To be serious, though, no. As other people pointed out, in the Christian mythology, Satan is not actually the ruler of Hell.
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:35 pm

Jahada wrote:Well, my understanding is that Satan is not the opposite or enemy of God. He is the enemy of man because he leads them away from God. Plus, God is the one who allows Satan to exist in the first place, and he could get rid of him if he wanted to.

That's pretty *rational*, wouldn't you say?


Rationality has nothing to do with it. It's mythology.

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Postby Free Soviets » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:37 pm

Norfsex wrote:If Satan, who, as I understand, rules, create, and controls all that is evil and is said to be worshiped by various heathen groups and witches, doesn't that make him, more or less, a god himself?

yes. christianity has at least 5 gods. probably more, depending on the sect.

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Postby Jahada » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:39 pm

South East Europe wrote:Religious rationalist is an oxymoron.


I beg to differ.
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Postby Jahada » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:42 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Jahada wrote:Well, my understanding is that Satan is not the opposite or enemy of God. He is the enemy of man because he leads them away from God. Plus, God is the one who allows Satan to exist in the first place, and he could get rid of him if he wanted to.

That's pretty *rational*, wouldn't you say?


Rationality has nothing to do with it. It's mythology.


You're missing the point. The point of that post was to explain the obvious relationship between God and Satan. Whether or not they actually exist is irrelevant.
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