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Constantinople or Istanbul what do you call it?

Constantinople
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Istanbul
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Byzantium
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:28 pm

I'd love to call it Byzantium... But I call it Istanbul.
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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:33 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:I'd love to call it Byzantium... But I call it Istanbul.

Why not call it Byzantium? Who the hell is stopping you and why?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:35 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I'd love to call it Byzantium... But I call it Istanbul.

Why not call it Byzantium? Who the hell is stopping you and why?


Because that it no longer the name of the city. The name of the city is Istanbul. Calling it Byzantium, when it hasn't been such for centuries, is rather silly.

He can refer to it as Byzantium, though, if he's talking about Byzantium in some historical context.
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Postby Andaluciae » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:36 pm

What is it with you greek people and your hangup on the damn ancient past?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:36 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Why not call it Byzantium? Who the hell is stopping you and why?

Reality.
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Postby Unilisia » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:37 pm

Andaluciae wrote:What is it with you greek people and your hangup on the damn ancient past?


They don't really have anything else to be proud of.
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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:38 pm

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Timurid Empire wrote:I have always and will always call it Constantinople. Byzantium will rise again my brothers!


Surely you understand that "Byzantine Empire" was just a historian's term- the people still called themselves "Roman".

Maybe in the West but in the East they did NOT!
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Kalaspia-Shimarata's flag represents the Union between K&S. The dark blue represents the sea and the light blue represents the sky. In Kalashi language considers light blue and dark blue to be different colours. England colonised, and unified K&S, between 1774 and 1953, and English, light blue and dark blue are considered to be the same colour. Therefore, the contrast between dark blue and light blue represents the union, but the differences between K&S where as blue being two but simultaneously one colour represents K&S being two, but simultaniously one entity. The opposite to the symmetry represents the unity and indipendance of K&S, whilst also representing the Kalashi culture of opposite symmetry.KS is 75% Christian, hence the cross.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:38 pm

Privately I call it Constantinople out of respect for the Byzantine Empire, but Istanbul in public. I'm not that spiteful of the Ottomans and Turks.
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Postby Niur » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:38 pm

Galiria wrote:Wha...Istanbul? Constantinople? Surely you mean Byzantium?

Surely you mean Byzantion?
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Postby St Samuel » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:38 pm

Constantinople sounds much better.
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Postby Prenella » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:39 pm

Since the residents call it Istanbul, I try to as well, but I often slip up.
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Postby Oterro » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:40 pm

Unilisia wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:What is it with you greek people and your hangup on the damn ancient past?


They don't really have anything else to be proud of.



Sad thing is, I really did try to think of something they could lay claim to nowadays. I got nothing.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:41 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
RomeW wrote:

Surely you understand that "Byzantine Empire" was just a historian's term- the people still called themselves "Roman".

Maybe in the West but in the East they did NOT!

Actually, they called the Empire Ῥωμανία, Rhōmanía. And they called themselves Romans.
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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:42 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
RomeW wrote:

Surely you understand that "Byzantine Empire" was just a historian's term- the people still called themselves "Roman".

Maybe in the West but in the East they did NOT!


The citizens of the Eastern Roman Empire called themselves "Romioi". That's where the Turkish expression "Rum" for the Greeks living in Turkey (the ones they haven't ethnically cleansed yet) comes from.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:42 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:Privately I call it Constantinople out of respect for the Byzantine Empire, but Istanbul in public. I'm not that spiteful of the Ottomans and Turks.


I don't think you need to be so private about it. People still talk about Constantinople and Byzantium. As long as you realize that the modern name is Istanbul, there's no problem with the rest. :p
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:42 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
RomeW wrote:

Surely you understand that "Byzantine Empire" was just a historian's term- the people still called themselves "Roman".

Maybe in the West but in the East they did NOT!

Really? Because its official names are:
Ῥωμανία
Rhōmanía
Romania
Imperium Romanum
Roman Empire

I'll let you decipher those yourself.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:44 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Privately I call it Constantinople out of respect for the Byzantine Empire, but Istanbul in public. I'm not that spiteful of the Ottomans and Turks.


I don't think you need to be so private about it. People still talk about Constantinople and Byzantium. As long as you realize that the modern name is Istanbul, there's no problem with the rest. :p

I mean in private conversation with friends and family. In public schools and offices and such, I refer to it as Istanbul due to my recognition of reality.

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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:44 pm

Andaluciae wrote:What is it with you greek people and your hangup on the damn ancient past?

It's part of our history and our Greek pride! Like Alexander The Great. He was one man and no one questions why we are so hungup about him and he was only man whilst this was an entire city. Plus, it is a religious place for us!
Kalaspia-Shimarata's flag represents the Union between K&S. The dark blue represents the sea and the light blue represents the sky. In Kalashi language considers light blue and dark blue to be different colours. England colonised, and unified K&S, between 1774 and 1953, and English, light blue and dark blue are considered to be the same colour. Therefore, the contrast between dark blue and light blue represents the union, but the differences between K&S where as blue being two but simultaneously one colour represents K&S being two, but simultaniously one entity. The opposite to the symmetry represents the unity and indipendance of K&S, whilst also representing the Kalashi culture of opposite symmetry.KS is 75% Christian, hence the cross.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:46 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:What is it with you greek people and your hangup on the damn ancient past?

It's part of our history and our Greek pride! Like Alexander The Great. He was one man and no one questions why we are so hungup about him and he was only man whilst this was an entire city. Plus, it is a religious place for us!

Technically, the Hagia Sophia is now a Mosque... Russia has far more Orthodox heritage centers. Serbia and other Balkan states as well.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:46 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:What is it with you greek people and your hangup on the damn ancient past?

It's part of our history and our Greek pride! Like Alexander The Great. He was one man and no one questions why we are so hungup about him and he was only man whilst this was an entire city. Plus, it is a religious place for us!


So this is all about your conceptions of pride and religion? So this thread is not about reality, eh?
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Postby United Mercenary Firms » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:47 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:It's part of our history and our Greek pride! Like Alexander The Great. He was one man and no one questions why we are so hungup about him and he was only man whilst this was an entire city. Plus, it is a religious place for us!

Technically, the Hagia Sophia is now a Mosque... Russia has far more Orthodox heritage centers. Serbia and other Balkan states as well.


Hagia Sophia's Christian murals and ikons are still there....plus it's now a museum, not a mosque.
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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:47 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
Andaluciae wrote:What is it with you greek people and your hangup on the damn ancient past?

Like Alexander The Great. He was one man and no one questions why we are so hungup about him

Actually, the FYROMs do.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:48 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:It's part of our history and our Greek pride! Like Alexander The Great. He was one man and no one questions why we are so hungup about him and he was only man whilst this was an entire city. Plus, it is a religious place for us!

Technically, the Hagia Sophia is now a Mosque... Russia has far more Orthodox heritage centers. Serbia and other Balkan states as well.


Hagia Sofia used to be a mosque, it's a museum now. Since the 1930s, IIRC.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:48 pm

United Mercenary Firms wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Technically, the Hagia Sophia is now a Mosque... Russia has far more Orthodox heritage centers. Serbia and other Balkan states as well.


Hagia Sophia's Christian murals and ikons are still there....plus it's now a museum, not a mosque.

Very true. But I mean that it was more recently used as a mosque.

I have to brush up on my Byzantine/Ottoman/Turk history...

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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:49 pm

Timurid Empire wrote:I have always and will always call it Constantinople. Byzantium will rise again my brothers!

Byzantium will NEVER rise because no one calls it that any more. Constantinople, however WILL
Kalaspia-Shimarata's flag represents the Union between K&S. The dark blue represents the sea and the light blue represents the sky. In Kalashi language considers light blue and dark blue to be different colours. England colonised, and unified K&S, between 1774 and 1953, and English, light blue and dark blue are considered to be the same colour. Therefore, the contrast between dark blue and light blue represents the union, but the differences between K&S where as blue being two but simultaneously one colour represents K&S being two, but simultaniously one entity. The opposite to the symmetry represents the unity and indipendance of K&S, whilst also representing the Kalashi culture of opposite symmetry.KS is 75% Christian, hence the cross.
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