Constantinople or Istanbul what do you call it?

[Nova-Byzantine]

Constantinople all the way!
Reclaim the city for the Greeks!

[Ceannairceach]

Constantinople all the way!
Reclaim the city for the Greeks!

Reclaim it for Rome!

[Innsmothe]

Istanbul.
The Ottomans are way more cultured than some barbarian Greeks playing at being roman.

[Ulthran Imperia Admin]

I prefer Constantinople, always have, always will...Although Byzantium in the modern world would be pretty mint.

and when it comes to the Greeks ownership, i have only three words, used famously in many different scenarios:
"TAKE IT BACK!"

[Ceannairceach]

I prefer Constantinople, always have, always will...Although Byzantium in the modern world would be pretty mint.

and when it comes to the Greeks ownership, i have only three words, used famously in many different scenarios:
"TAKE IT BACK!"

Perhaps if the Greeks ever actually owned it, they would have some claim...

[Ulthran Imperia Admin]

I prefer Constantinople, always have, always will...Although Byzantium in the modern world would be pretty mint.

and when it comes to the Greeks ownership, i have only three words, used famously in many different scenarios:
"TAKE IT BACK!"

Perhaps if the Greeks ever actually owned it, they would have some claim...

True, but keep in mind what Constantinople brought to the world under Byzantine Greek control and what Turkish control brought to the world. Okay, the city is a gateway moreorless, and I really don't care about city name or ownership for simple facts.

1) I'm in Australia
2) It was only ever used as an invasion gateway during the Crusades or when the Turks invaded the Balkans and as Turkey and Europe are on a nice relationship, any invasions from this gate will not happen (because they'll use naval and aerial assaults)
3) Eh.

[Coccygia]

I prefer Constantinople, always have, always will...Although Byzantium in the modern world would be pretty mint.

and when it comes to the Greeks ownership, i have only three words, used famously in many different scenarios:
"TAKE IT BACK!"

Perhaps if the Greeks ever actually owned it, they would have some claim...

May I ask: WTF you talkin' 'bout, Willis? The Greeks owned it for over 1000 years, didn't they? Oh crap, I'm not in an alternate universe again am I? I hate that...

[Ceannairceach]

Perhaps if the Greeks ever actually owned it, they would have some claim...

May I ask: WTF you talkin' 'bout, Willis? The Greeks owned it for over 1000 years, didn't they? Oh crap, I'm not in an alternate universe again am I? I hate that...

Imperium Romanum owned it, but not the current nation of Greece.

[Dazchan]

I dunno. The city is in Turkey. Why shouldn't the Turks "win" and name their own city?

I dunno. Why does (the former Soviet republic of) Georgia insist on being called Georgia when they call themselves Sakartvelo? It would be a lot less confusing.

So your argument is that countries have one name in one language and another name in another? I'm pretty sure that the country in question decded to be known officially as Georgia in the English-speaking world.

Just like Turkey decided that its city name is Istanbul.

[Northern Rangeria]

Istanbul when talking about the city post-1453.

Constantinople when talking about the city as established by Emperor Constantine.

Byzantium when talking about the city before Constantine.

[Farnhamia]

Istanbul when talking about the city post-1453.

Constantinople when talking about the city as established by Emperor Constantine.

Byzantium when talking about the city before Constantine.

Lygos.

[Northern Rangeria]

Lygos.

Hm? Excuse me?

[Ceannairceach]

Lygos.

Hm? Excuse me?

Lygos was what Byzantion was built over.

[Northern Rangeria]

Hm? Excuse me?

Lygos was what Byzantion was built over.

Ah. I learned something new today, then. Thank you.

[United Dependencies]

Istanbul when talking about the city post-1453.

Constantinople when talking about the city as established by Emperor Constantine.

Byzantium when talking about the city before Constantine.

Lygos.

What was Lygos like?

[Ceannairceach]

Lygos.

What was Lygos like?

Very Thracian.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

bump

[The Soviet Technocracy]

Istanbul.
The Ottomans are way more cultured than some barbarian Greeks playing at being roman.

lul

[The Archregimancy]

So your argument is that countries have one name in one language and another name in another? I'm pretty sure that the country in question decded to be known officially as Georgia in the English-speaking world.

Just like Turkey decided that its city name is Istanbul.

That Sakartvelo is called 'Georgia' in English long predates the formation of the Republic of Georgia, and indeed long predates any time when the Kingdom of Georgia particularly cared to give any thought to what it should be 'officially' called by western schismatic heretics. Though Farn will no doubt insist on calling it Iberia

It is nonetheless true that the Georgian constitution specifies that its non-Georgian name should be 'Georgia', and the Georgian government has explicitly asked other nations using the Russian form Gruziyi to instead use 'Georgia' - but nations do not necessarily specify legally preferred exonyms for their country or city names in other languages; and even where they do, it often makes little difference. I doubt the Russians are going to stop referring to 'Gruziyi' in the near future.

Thus Istanbul is both an autonym and a widely-accepted exonym. But it is not a universally-accepted exonym, and as I have pointed out previously....

1) It's hardly unique for a city to be called one name in one language, and another name in another. That Welsh-speakers, for example, refer to "York" as "Caer Efrog" - a name the city hasn't been called by its residents for some 1500 years - doesn't make the Welsh sound ignorant about the World; it merely signals that they still use an older name in their own language. This is hardly unique. Many Transylvanian towns have three names: one each in Romanian, Hungarian, and German; Sibiu, for example, is also known as Hermannstadt (German) and Nagyszeben (Hungarian). Thus "Konstantinúpolis" in Greek, and "Istanbul" in Turkish; or indeed "Carigrad" in Slovene, "Mikligarður" in Icelandic, or "Tsarigrad" in Bulgarian. Do you consider Slovenes, Icelanders and Bulgarians to be ignorant about the world?

2) The senior hierarch of the Orthodox Church, who resides in Istanbul, is still known as "The Patriarch of Constantinople" in both formal and informal usage, even in English. As most Greeks are Orthodox, it is wholly appropriate for them to refer to 'Constantinople' when discussing ecclesiastical matters in either Greek or English.

[Rethymnon]

May I ask: WTF you talkin' 'bout, Willis? The Greeks owned it for over 1000 years, didn't they? Oh crap, I'm not in an alternate universe again am I? I hate that...

Imperium Romanum owned it, but not the current nation of Greece.

"The current nation of Greece" I truly hate it, when people say that

Well yeah, you are right. Its not Greece that controlled the city, never. It was the Greeks who did. After all Greece is a western name. Regardless of how you chose to call us we call ourselves the same since ancient times ( Romioi and Hellenes ) and Hellada ( the name of Greece in Greek ) was a theme of the Byzantine Empire ( themes were like provinces ). Modern Greece is the people of Byzantium ( the original people ) who rebelled and made the new nation. Also the title for Emperor in Byzantium was not Imperator Romanorum like in Rome but Vasilefs and Aftokrator which are Greek titles. The official language was Greek and all the dynasties of Emperors after emperor Heraklios ( 8th century ) were Greek from Mainland Greece, Asia Minor, Alexandria and many other then-Greek cities and lands. Bottom line : Yes we owned the city for centuries and yes, we call it Constantinopolis still, and await the time when we will get it back ( i mean...you never know, right? ).

[Innsmothe]

Imperium Romanum owned it, but not the current nation of Greece.

"The current nation of Greece" I truly hate it, when people say that

Well yeah, you are right. Its not Greece that controlled the city, never. It was the Greeks who did. After all Greece is a western name. Regardless of how you chose to call us we call ourselves the same since ancient times ( Romioi and Hellenes ) and Hellada ( the name of Greece in Greek ) was a theme of the Byzantine Empire ( themes were like provinces ). Modern Greece is the people of Byzantium ( the original people ) who rebelled and made the new nation. Also the title for Emperor in Byzantium was not Imperator Romanorum like in Rome but Vasilefs and Aftokrator which are Greek titles. The official language was Greek and all the dynasties of Emperors after emperor Heraklios ( 8th century ) were Greek from Mainland Greece, Asia Minor, Alexandria and many other then-Greek cities and lands. Bottom line : Yes we owned the city for centuries and yes, we call it Constantinopolis still, and await the time when we will get it back ( i mean...you never know, right? ).

Nah, Greece will once again be the rightful property of their Turkish superiors.

[Rethymnon]

we'll see

[Innsmothe]

Yes...we will.
*Cackles*

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Constantinople all the way!
Reclaim the city for the Greeks!

I'd rather retake it for the Seljuqs.

[Rethymnon]

Constantinople all the way!
Reclaim the city for the Greeks!

I'd rather retake it for the Seljuqs.

Umm..the Seljuks are the Turks so they still have it, don't they?