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Constantinople or Istanbul what do you call it?

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Postby Mid Lothian » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:21 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:If I'm talking about modern day Turkey's capital, I use Istanbul.


If *I'm* talking about Turkey's capital, I call it Ankara.
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Postby Hypparchia » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:26 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:I call Zimbabwe Rhodesia.

I call Istanbul Constantinople.


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Though I call the latter "Tsarigrad" sometimes too.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:28 pm

Mid Lothian wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:If I'm talking about modern day Turkey's capital, I use Istanbul.


If *I'm* talking about Turkey's capital, I call it Ankara.


If you ACTUALLY read the thread, you'll see that has been clarified already. But you haven't. Obviously. :roll:
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Postby Rokartian States » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:38 pm

Hypparchia wrote: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Why is using deprecated names laudable? It's like calling Cu(I) 'cuprous'.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:34 pm

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Postby Blouman Empire » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:42 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
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Really? Greeks "have to" call cities by incorrect names and make themselves sound ignorant about the world?


That's entirely unfair on two counts. Kal may not be right about many things, but he's right about the sentence quoted above.

1) It's hardly unique for a city to be called one name in one language, and another name in another. That Welsh-speakers, for example, refer to "York" as "Caer Efrog" - a name the city hasn't been called by its residents for some 1500 years - doesn't make the Welsh sound ignorant about the World; it merely signals that they still use an older name in their own language. This is hardly unique. Many Transylvanian towns have three names: one each in Romanian, Hungarian, and German; Sibiu, for example, is also known as Hermannstadt (German) and Nagyszeben (Hungarian). Thus "Konstantinúpolis" in Greek, and "Istanbul" in Turkish; or indeed "Carigrad" in Slovene, "Mikligarður" in Icelandic, or "Tsarigrad" in Bulgarian. Do you consider Slovenes, Icelanders and Bulgarians to be ignorant about the world?

2) The senior hierarch of the Orthodox Church, who resides in Istanbul, is still known as "The Patriarch of Constantinople" in both formal and informal usage, even in English. As most Greeks are Orthodox, it is wholly appropriate for them to refer to 'Constantinople' when discussing ecclesiastical matters in either Greek or English.


Thanks for clearing it up.

Such a shame that some posters (usually the ones who can't admit that they aren't always right) have to continue to make posts that contradict it.
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Postby Wamitoria » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:43 pm

Rokartian States wrote:
Hypparchia wrote: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Why is using deprecated names laudable? It's like calling Cu(I) 'cuprous'.

Or like calling Myanmar, Burma. Oh wait, that's a good thing.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:45 pm

Coccygia wrote:All I know, I'm not calling Burma Myanmar as long as the junta is in power. :p


I'll call it whatever my government calls it.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:46 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Are we still beating this dead horse? Wow NSG, you're... persistent. :blink:


Come now Nanatsu you have been on NSG for a long time that we have beaten dead horses so much that the skeleton no longer remains.
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Postby Al-Harakut al-Islami » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:48 pm

Now, Istanbul.

In the Ottoman period, Konstantiniyye or Istanbul.

In the Byzantine period, Constantinople.

In the Roman period, Byzantium.
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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:07 pm

bump to the top
Kalaspia-Shimarata's flag represents the Union between K&S. The dark blue represents the sea and the light blue represents the sky. In Kalashi language considers light blue and dark blue to be different colours. England colonised, and unified K&S, between 1774 and 1953, and English, light blue and dark blue are considered to be the same colour. Therefore, the contrast between dark blue and light blue represents the union, but the differences between K&S where as blue being two but simultaneously one colour represents K&S being two, but simultaniously one entity. The opposite to the symmetry represents the unity and indipendance of K&S, whilst also representing the Kalashi culture of opposite symmetry.KS is 75% Christian, hence the cross.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:08 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:bump to the top

Dude, don't, not here. It's tacky.
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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:13 pm

Come on people! Don't let the Turks win the poll, non-voters, vote Constantinople!
Kalaspia-Shimarata's flag represents the Union between K&S. The dark blue represents the sea and the light blue represents the sky. In Kalashi language considers light blue and dark blue to be different colours. England colonised, and unified K&S, between 1774 and 1953, and English, light blue and dark blue are considered to be the same colour. Therefore, the contrast between dark blue and light blue represents the union, but the differences between K&S where as blue being two but simultaneously one colour represents K&S being two, but simultaniously one entity. The opposite to the symmetry represents the unity and indipendance of K&S, whilst also representing the Kalashi culture of opposite symmetry.KS is 75% Christian, hence the cross.
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Postby Wamitoria » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:18 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Come on people! Don't let the Turks win the poll, non-voters, vote Constantinople!

Seriously dude, let the thread die.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:19 pm

Wamitoria wrote:
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Come on people! Don't let the Turks win the poll, non-voters, vote Constantinople!

Seriously dude, let the thread die.

Really. And anyway, the Mods expanded the limit on what constitutes a grave-dig, so someone will probably revive it within a month.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:22 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Come on people! Don't let the Turks win the poll, non-voters, vote Constantinople!

Constantinople is dead, Kala. Its Istanbul's turn.

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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:27 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Come on people! Don't let the Turks win the poll, non-voters, vote Constantinople!

Constantinople is dead, Kala. Its Istanbul's turn.

We'll rise again!``
Kalaspia-Shimarata's flag represents the Union between K&S. The dark blue represents the sea and the light blue represents the sky. In Kalashi language considers light blue and dark blue to be different colours. England colonised, and unified K&S, between 1774 and 1953, and English, light blue and dark blue are considered to be the same colour. Therefore, the contrast between dark blue and light blue represents the union, but the differences between K&S where as blue being two but simultaneously one colour represents K&S being two, but simultaniously one entity. The opposite to the symmetry represents the unity and indipendance of K&S, whilst also representing the Kalashi culture of opposite symmetry.KS is 75% Christian, hence the cross.
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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:29 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:Seriously dude, let the thread die.

Really. And anyway, the Mods expanded the limit on what constitutes a grave-dig, so someone will probably revive it within a month.

It's not grave digging if it's only been 1 day!
Kalaspia-Shimarata's flag represents the Union between K&S. The dark blue represents the sea and the light blue represents the sky. In Kalashi language considers light blue and dark blue to be different colours. England colonised, and unified K&S, between 1774 and 1953, and English, light blue and dark blue are considered to be the same colour. Therefore, the contrast between dark blue and light blue represents the union, but the differences between K&S where as blue being two but simultaneously one colour represents K&S being two, but simultaniously one entity. The opposite to the symmetry represents the unity and indipendance of K&S, whilst also representing the Kalashi culture of opposite symmetry.KS is 75% Christian, hence the cross.
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Postby Forlon » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:32 am

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Really. And anyway, the Mods expanded the limit on what constitutes a grave-dig, so someone will probably revive it within a month.

It's not grave digging if it's only been 1 day!


Oh you misunderstand Kala, they aren't saying you grave-dug, but that someone else would before the grave-dig rules apply. They ARE saying that you shouldn't bump it and just let it go down until someone does revive it.


Istanbul, BTW.
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Postby Kalaspia-Shimarata » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:50 am

Forlon wrote:
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:It's not grave digging if it's only been 1 day!


Oh you misunderstand Kala, they aren't saying you grave-dug, but that someone else would before the grave-dig rules apply. They ARE saying that you shouldn't bump it and just let it go down until someone does revive it.


Istanbul, BTW.

Why, so it can get locked, noway! Back on topic!
Kalaspia-Shimarata's flag represents the Union between K&S. The dark blue represents the sea and the light blue represents the sky. In Kalashi language considers light blue and dark blue to be different colours. England colonised, and unified K&S, between 1774 and 1953, and English, light blue and dark blue are considered to be the same colour. Therefore, the contrast between dark blue and light blue represents the union, but the differences between K&S where as blue being two but simultaneously one colour represents K&S being two, but simultaniously one entity. The opposite to the symmetry represents the unity and indipendance of K&S, whilst also representing the Kalashi culture of opposite symmetry.KS is 75% Christian, hence the cross.
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Postby Forlon » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:26 am

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
Forlon wrote:
Oh you misunderstand Kala, they aren't saying you grave-dug, but that someone else would before the grave-dig rules apply. They ARE saying that you shouldn't bump it and just let it go down until someone does revive it.


Istanbul, BTW.

Why, so it can get locked, noway! Back on topic!


As far as I know, it won't get locked if it just goes down a few pages and someone revives it in the timeframe before it becomes a grave-dig...

And I was on topic...I said Istanbul.
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Postby Dazchan » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:29 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Come on people! Don't let the Turks win the poll, non-voters, vote Constantinople!


I dunno. The city is in Turkey. Why shouldn't the Turks "win" and name their own city?
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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:31 pm

Byzantium sounds familiar. What's this Constantinople and Istanbul you're talking about though?
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Postby Coccygia » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:32 pm

Dazchan wrote:
Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:Come on people! Don't let the Turks win the poll, non-voters, vote Constantinople!


I dunno. The city is in Turkey. Why shouldn't the Turks "win" and name their own city?

I dunno. Why does (the former Soviet republic of) Georgia insist on being called Georgia when they call themselves Sakartvelo? It would be a lot less confusing.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Feb 20, 2011 1:34 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Constantinople is dead, Kala. Its Istanbul's turn.

We'll rise again!``

No, you really won't. I doubt the Greeks will ever own, or even be a prominent minority of, Istanbul again.

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