Constantinople or Istanbul what do you call it?

[Timurid Empire]

I'll use the current name of the city, Istanbul, because it's the "official" name, but I prefer Constantinople- it's much more cooler in my eyes.

I have always and will always call it Constantinople. Byzantium will rise again my brothers!

Surely you understand that "Byzantine Empire" was just a historian's term- the people still called themselves "Roman".

I do, but I'm so used to calling it Byzantium or The Byzantine Empire.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Sorry, I mixed my history. Istanbul used to be the capital.

Back in Ottoman times, which are rather long gone

Up until 1922 is not 'rather long ago', Unilisia.

[Spacelantis]

I only call it Constantinople when referring to it when it was actually named that. Otherwise, I say Istanbul.
Unfortunately, Constantinople sounds times better than Istanbul.

[Farnhamia]

Sorry, I mixed my history. Istanbul used to be the capital.

Back in Ottoman times, which are rather long gone

Yeah, all the way since 1918.

I knew it as Lygos once, a settlement of Thracians, and then Byzantion. Severus hurt it badly but Constantine made it a great city and it will never, ever be "just a city."

EDIT: Okay, Nana, 1922.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Back in Ottoman times, which are rather long gone

Yeah, all the way since 1918.

I knew it as Lygos once, a settlement of Thracians, and then Byzantion. Severus hurt it badly but Constantine made it a great city and it will never, ever be "just a city."

EDIT: Okay, Nana, 1922.

Final note from me: As I said, it depends what is being discussed. If you're discussing Byzantium, call it Byzantium. If you're discussing Constantinople, call it Constantinople. If you're taking about modern day Turkey, call the city Istanbul. Context.

[Republicke]

Given the confusion, can we rename it for the purposes of NSG?

[Unilisia]

Back in Ottoman times, which are rather long gone

Up until 1922 is not 'rather long ago', Unilisia.

There is no chance of a comeback, is what I'm saying.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Up until 1922 is not 'rather long ago', Unilisia.

There is no chance of a comeback, is what I'm saying.

I don't think that has been mentioned either.

[Unilisia]

There is no chance of a comeback, is what I'm saying.

I don't think that has been mentioned either.

Just.. ugh whatever.

[Maurepas]

Constantinople, I'm a traditionalist.

[RomeW]

Constantinople, I guess.

That's the real name for it, under Turkey and Greece alike. Istanbul isn't even a real Turkish word. It's a mixed version of Turkish word for 'Constantinople' and an Aegean dialect that added the 'Istan'.

Popular culture and Turkish history books say it was named 'Istanbul' when the Ottoman Empire captured it from the Byzantine Greeks/Romans, but it was really called Constantinople by Muslim and Greek alike for a long time. Greeks respected it as the name for a Christian city, while the Turks felt that the fact it was called 'Costantinople' only caused them to remember the great victory for their country they won there.

I hope both nations remember the bravery shown by both sides for the cause they believed in during the Fall of Constantinople in 1453 and the end of Byzantine Empire.

Mehmed II actually believed he was becoming the new Caesar of the Romans- and there are reports he invaded Italy in an attempt to capture Rome itself and "reunite" the old Roman Empire. Plus the Ottomans didn't really have territory until they took it from the Byzantines. So from that standpoint, I always looked at the Ottoman Empire as a "continuation" of the Byzantine Empire rather than its replacement.

I'll use the current name of the city, Istanbul, because it's the "official" name, but I prefer Constantinople- it's much more cooler in my eyes.



Surely you understand that "Byzantine Empire" was just a historian's term- the people still called themselves "Roman".

I do, but I'm so used to calling it Byzantium or The Byzantine Empire.

Ah I see. My bad. I do the same thing myself...it's just easier.

[Maurepas]

I'll use the current name of the city, Istanbul, because it's the "official" name, but I prefer Constantinople- it's much more cooler in my eyes.

I have always and will always call it Constantinople. Byzantium will rise again my brothers!

Surely you understand that "Byzantine Empire" was just a historian's term- the people still called themselves "Roman".

Their contemporaries in other countries actually called them the "Empire of the Greeks", IIRC.

[Wamitoria]

Istanbul, because that's its name.

[RomeW]

Back in Ottoman times, which are rather long gone

Up until 1922 is not 'rather long ago', Unilisia.

Actually it was 1930

[RomeW]

I'll use the current name of the city, Istanbul, because it's the "official" name, but I prefer Constantinople- it's much more cooler in my eyes.



Surely you understand that "Byzantine Empire" was just a historian's term- the people still called themselves "Roman".

Their contemporaries in other countries actually called them the "Empire of the Greeks", IIRC.

That is true, because by the 8th century Western Europe didn't consider the Empire "Roman" anymore so they stopped calling it "Roman", but the state never changed its name- they always called themselves the "Roman" Empire (I believe "Rumeyon" was one such name, as was "Romania") and that was my point.

[Farnhamia]

I'll use the current name of the city, Istanbul, because it's the "official" name, but I prefer Constantinople- it's much more cooler in my eyes.



Surely you understand that "Byzantine Empire" was just a historian's term- the people still called themselves "Roman".

Their contemporaries in other countries actually called them the "Empire of the Greeks", IIRC.

I don't recall that. If you type "Empire of the Greeks" into WIki, you get the article on the Byzantine Empire, where the second sentence says, "Also known as the Eastern Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire was called simply Roman Empire or Romania (Greek: Ῥωμανία, Rhōmanía) by its inhabitants and neighbors." Hell, the Seljuks, when they took Anatolia, called themselves the Sultanate of Rhum.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Up until 1922 is not 'rather long ago', Unilisia.

Actually it was 1930

The Wiki article states that Istanbul was the capital of Turkey until 1922, not until 1930.

During its long history, Istanbul had previously served as the capital of the Roman Empire (330–c.395), Byzantine Empire (c.395–1204 & 1261–1453), the Latin Empire (1204–1261), and the Ottoman Empire (1453–1922). Thereafter, the new Republic of Turkey, moved their capital to Ankara during the Turkish War of Independence.

From this article:

When the Republic of Turkey was born in 1923 after the War of Independence, Kemal Ataturk moved the capital to the city of Ankara. The city of Istanbul has continued to expand dramatically and today its population is over 13 million and increases at an estimated 700,000 immigrants per year.

This places it ceasing to be the capital of Turkey between 1922-1923, not 1930.

[Baltenstein]

In Greece, we usually call it "Poli", which means "the City".

[RomeW]

Actually it was 1930

The Wiki article states that Istanbul was the capital of Turkey until 1922, not until 1930.

During its long history, Istanbul had previously served as the capital of the Roman Empire (330–c.395), Byzantine Empire (c.395–1204 & 1261–1453), the Latin Empire (1204–1261), and the Ottoman Empire (1453–1922). Thereafter, the new Republic of Turkey, moved their capital to Ankara during the Turkish War of Independence.

From this article:

When the Republic of Turkey was born in 1923 after the War of Independence, Kemal Ataturk moved the capital to the city of Ankara. The city of Istanbul has continued to expand dramatically and today its population is over 13 million and increases at an estimated 700,000 immigrants per year.

This places it ceasing to be the capital of Turkey between 1922-1923, not 1930.

Oh okay, my mistake. I thought you were referring to the name change.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

In Greece, we usually call it "Poli", which means "the City".

Yea but "Poli" stands for "Constantinopoli" which is the Greek word for it so you would vote Constantinople

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The Wiki article states that Istanbul was the capital of Turkey until 1922, not until 1930.



From this article:


This places it ceasing to be the capital of Turkey between 1922-1923, not 1930.

Oh okay, my mistake. I thought you were referring to the name change.

No, I was referring to when Istanbul ceased to be the capital of Turkey. But that's fine. Honest mistake.

[Ifreann]

Istanbul, because it's called Istanbul.

Same reason I don't call New York City, New Amsterdam.

I call it Istanbul to spite History majors

[Farnhamia]

Istanbul, because it's called Istanbul.

Same reason I don't call New York City, New Amsterdam.

I call it Istanbul to spite History majors

Except ... that is its name.

[Kalibarr]

Istanbul, calling it by one of it's older names would be like calling London, Londinium.

[Ifreann]

I call it Istanbul to spite History majors

Except ... that is its name.

It is now. Now>then *nods*