Constantinople or Istanbul what do you call it?

[Mosasauria]

I was going to Turkey with my family and my sister was asking where we could go and she said both Istanbul and Constantinople,i of course quickly told her otherwise. :]

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You don't know much about history, do you?

The city belongs to the Turks. They get to name it whatever they want. They named it Istanbul. That is the name the world refers to it as. End of story.

Constantine died centuries ago, and the city has belonged to the Turks for years. No amount of historical wankering on your part will change that.

Win. Although I call it Byzantium...

Which is sort of silly, Tobi. The city hasn't been known as Byzantium for centuries.

[Zhenghou]

I'm not tirading, it is Constantinople since Constantine founded the city and that is that, the Turkish have no right to call it anything but, okay, and I don't mean to upset you, I am just trying to teach you something new.

You don't know much about history, do you?

The city belongs to the Turks. They get to name it whatever they want. They named it Istanbul. That is the name the world refers to it as. End of story.

Constantine died centuries ago, and the city has belonged to the Turks for years. No amount of historical wankering on your part will change that.

No Nana, Constantinople is still alive in the minds of many caring people, It is the Chritian name, the reliable name, the Turks can say whatever they want, but that doesn't make it correct.

[Mosasauria]

Win. Although I call it Byzantium...

Which is sort of silly, Tobi. The city hasn't been known as Byzantium for centuries.

That is what it was established as.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You don't know much about history, do you?

The city belongs to the Turks. They get to name it whatever they want. They named it Istanbul. That is the name the world refers to it as. End of story.

Constantine died centuries ago, and the city has belonged to the Turks for years. No amount of historical wankering on your part will change that.

No Nana, Constantinople is still alive in the minds of many caring people, It is the Chritian name, the reliable name, the Turks can say whatever they want, but that doesn't make it correct.

LOL!

It is correct of the Turks to call it Istanbul. They own the city. Once again, no amount of historical or emotional wankering changes that.

[Zhenghou]

No Nana, Constantinople is still alive in the minds of many caring people, It is the Chritian name, the reliable name, the Turks can say whatever they want, but that doesn't make it correct.

LOL!

It is correct of the Turks to call it Istanbul. They own the city. Once again, no amount of historical or emotional wankering changes that.

I respect your point of view, and you make a great arguement, but I am afraid the city's Western name is Constantinople.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Which is sort of silly, Tobi. The city hasn't been known as Byzantium for centuries.

That is what it was established as.

Established, past tense. The city has belonged to the Turks for many years. It's as silly as me trying to call Andalusia, Spain, as Al-Andaluz when that city hasn't been a Moorish possession since the mid 1400s. Spain reclaimed it back, renamed it, so Andalusia it is.

[Mosasauria]

That is what it was established as.

Established, past tense. The city has belonged to the Turks for many years. It's as silly as me trying to call Andalusia, Spain, as Al-Andaluz when that city hasn't been a Moorish possession since the mid 1400s. Spain reclaimed it back, renamed it, so Andalusia it is.

Does it really affect people when I call it Byzantium? I know its synonyms, so do I need to change what I call it?

[Angleter]

Constantinople,
It is grossly incorrect to use the so called name "Istanbul" that name is associate with the Ottoman Captors, who turned the great city backward, and hated Christianity. Constantinople was in existence first.

The Ottomans named it Konstantiniyye. Only Ataturk- a man for whom I have the least love- renamed it Istanbul.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

LOL!

It is correct of the Turks to call it Istanbul. They own the city. Once again, no amount of historical or emotional wankering changes that.

I respect your point of view, and you make a great arguement, but I am afraid the city's Western name is Constantinople.

Em, no, it isn't. The West knows it as Istanbul since that is the name given to it by the Turkish government, which owns the city. A government that is recognized as legitimate.

[Zhenghou]

That is what it was established as.

Established, past tense. The city has belonged to the Turks for many years. It's as silly as me trying to call Andalusia, Spain, as Al-Andaluz when that city hasn't been a Moorish possession since the mid 1400s. Spain reclaimed it back, renamed it, so Andalusia it is.

Well, Andalusia is legitimate since it was based on the infindel name and is universally used. People still legitimately call Constantinople Constantinople

[Yoneyistan]

I was born in Istanbul and I've been living here since then. AND I've never been able to understand this thing at all. Resisting on using a former name looks nothing more than being childish.

[Zhenghou]

I respect your point of view, and you make a great arguement, but I am afraid the city's Western name is Constantinople.

Em, no, it isn't. The West knows it as Istanbul since that is the name given to it by the Turkish government, which owns the city. A government that is recognized as legitimate.

Well Nana, I agree withyour point but Constantinople was only recently renamed and Constantinople is associated with most of the city: e.g Hagia Sophia

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Established, past tense. The city has belonged to the Turks for many years. It's as silly as me trying to call Andalusia, Spain, as Al-Andaluz when that city hasn't been a Moorish possession since the mid 1400s. Spain reclaimed it back, renamed it, so Andalusia it is.

Does it really affect people when I call it Byzantium? I know its synonyms, so do I need to change what I call it?

You can keep calling it as that, however, it is nevertheless silly to. The city is named Istanbul in modern times, calling it Byzantium or Constantinople is... well... superfluous unless you're applying a specific context.

[Zhenghou]

I was born in Istanbul and I've been living here since then. AND I've never been able to understand this thing at all. Resisting on using a former name looks nothing more than being childish.

No, the infindels named it Istanbul

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I was born in Istanbul and I've been living here since then. AND I've never been able to understand this thing at all. Resisting on using a former name looks nothing more than being childish.

As I said it is just wankering. Everybody knows that the name the city goes by now is Istanbul. Why call it Byzantium or Constantinople is incredibly silly to me? I am an art history student, and unless I am discussing the period in history where the city was called Byzantium or Constantinople, I refer to it as Istanbul because that is its name.

[United Mercenary Firms]

I was born in Istanbul and I've been living here since then. AND I've never been able to understand this thing at all. Resisting on using a former name looks nothing more than being childish.

It's just been called Constantinople for over thousand years, and only Istanbul for roughly a hundred years or so. People are still trying to adjust, especially the Greeks and other native Thracian Europeans who were kicked out by the Turkish government from their own historical homeland simply because they happened to live near Constantinople, which is now part of Turkey and called Stamboul (Istanbul).

It's really just a name, that city will always be a city.

[Selung]

Depending on the historical period I use all three. When referring to it in present time I use Istanbul.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Em, no, it isn't. The West knows it as Istanbul since that is the name given to it by the Turkish government, which owns the city. A government that is recognized as legitimate.

Well Nana, I agree withyour point but Constantinople was only recently renamed and Constantinople is associated with most of the city: e.g Hagia Sophia

1930, to be more specific. A name given to the city by a legitimate government. And if you want a deeper story, the Turks were referring to the city as Istanbul even before the conquest of 1453.

İstanbul was the common name for the city in normal speech in Turkish even before the conquest of 1453... (¹)

Hagia Sofia was a mosque for a long time, until it was turned into a museum in 1933.

[Mosasauria]

Does it really affect people when I call it Byzantium? I know its synonyms, so do I need to change what I call it?

You can keep calling it as that, however, it is nevertheless silly to. The city is named Istanbul in modern times, calling it Byzantium or Constantinople is... well... superfluous unless you're applying a specific context.

You're talking to a person who strives to be odd and superfluous.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Em, no, it isn't. The West knows it as Istanbul since that is the name given to it by the Turkish government, which owns the city. A government that is recognized as legitimate.

Well Nana, I agree withyour point but Constantinople was only recently renamed and Constantinople is associated with most of the city: e.g Hagia Sophia

1930, to be more specific. A name given to the city by a legitimate government. And if you want a deeper story, the Turks were referring to the city as Istanbul even before the conquest of 1453.

İstanbul was the common name for the city in normal speech in Turkish even before the conquest of 1453... (¹)

Hagia Sofia, after the Turkish conquest of 1453, was a mosque for a long time, until it was turned into a museum in 1933.

[New Vaduz]

Constantinople is just a local name now, and a few Christians use it, especially among the Greeks and other Balkan peoples, who regard the very name 'Constantinople' and its colorful Byzantine history as a big part of their culture and such.

Istanbul is the official name and probably the most widely-recognized. The Muslims use it a lot, but actually, most of these traditionally Muslim nations called it Constantinople for as long as the Europeans did. Istanbul just sounds better as a Turkish name, since now it is part of Turkey, and no doubt always will be.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You can keep calling it as that, however, it is nevertheless silly to. The city is named Istanbul in modern times, calling it Byzantium or Constantinople is... well... superfluous unless you're applying a specific context.

You're talking to a person who strives to be odd and superfluous.

Kudos on your goals, but that doesn't make your point on this thread any less faulty.

[Chrobalta]

I was born in Istanbul and I've been living here since then. AND I've never been able to understand this thing at all. Resisting on using a former name looks nothing more than being childish.

It's just been called Constantinople for over thousand years, and only Istanbul for roughly a hundred years or so. People are still trying to adjust, especially the Greeks and other native Thracian Europeans who were kicked out by the Turkish government from their own historical homeland simply because they happened to live near Constantinople, which is now part of Turkey and called Stamboul (Istanbul).

It's really just a name, that city will always be a city.

Trying to adjust? No they are just resistant to change.


The whole matter is quite silly. Its name is "Istanbul" and people should just go with it.

[Mosasauria]

You're talking to a person who strives to be odd and superfluous.

Kudos on your goals, but that doesn't make your point on this thread any less faulty.

True.