Ron Pauls economic solution? A Southern Secessionist.

[Greed and Death]

Probably because of all the bad connotations the come along with it. Or the SPLC could just be lying about his activity...

The SPLC is a corrupt and dying organization in and of itself, unfortunately.


When I was a teenager I actually signed up for a newsletter from the LoS(I was looking "rebellious" to join), they're actually kind of dumb as hell, like, one of the things they bitched about was how fewer people were saying "Coke" for all flavour of sodas than there used to be. Like it was some sort of cultural thing to protect.

All in all, that he joined the group after his teenage years makes me doubt his intelligence.

What people are not calling over flavors of SODA COKE ??? To arms I say to arms!!!

[Maurepas]

The SPLC is a corrupt and dying organization in and of itself, unfortunately.


When I was a teenager I actually signed up for a newsletter from the LoS(I was looking "rebellious" to join), they're actually kind of dumb as hell, like, one of the things they bitched about was how fewer people were saying "Coke" for all flavour of sodas than there used to be. Like it was some sort of cultural thing to protect.

All in all, that he joined the group after his teenage years makes me doubt his intelligence.

What people are not calling over flavors of SODA COKE ??? To arms I say to arms!!!

Seriously, lols.

[Ashmoria]

you really should pay attention, the post is self explanatory.

Not everyone worships at the altar of the SPLC.

the post is still self explanatory.

[Greed and Death]

What people are not calling over flavors of SODA COKE ??? To arms I say to arms!!!

Seriously, lols.

I think my Satire gets better when I am drunk.

[Ashmoria]

Is this not an ad hominem? Neither Mr. Dilorenzo or the House was discussing Southern Secession, so bringing it up smacks of just trying to discredit him based on him holding an unrelated unorthodox belief. I don't see the purpose of the criticism is all. Holding a single odd belief does not violate your other beliefs.

I don't think it says anything about his economic policies if he thinks that the Civil War was illegitimate, no more then believing the moon landing was faked discredits you from advising on Heart Surgery.

i dont think you are allowed to make this much sense in this thread.

[Ashmoria]

Probably because of all the bad connotations the come along with it. Or the SPLC could just be lying about his activity...

The SPLC is a corrupt and dying organization in and of itself, unfortunately.

why do you call it corrupt?

[Intangelon]

Good, another reason to dislike Ron Paul.

Yes, but there's Rand Paul. The very name makes me question reality.

[Intangelon]

Are you saying he's right? Because honestly, I'd rather not change a thing than go with what Ron Paul is saying. If his argument was the only one available, I would still dismiss it because of it's flaws.

90% of the time no one here even reads what the man has to say, they just like to hate on him because the television said so.

Bullshit, but thanks for the fertilizer. This is NSG, not Fox.

[Intangelon]

90% of the time no one here even reads what the man has to say, they just like to hate on him because the television said so.

Ergo all arguments against him are wrong? No. I disagree with his plan to attach the dollar to a gold standard because gold is even more volatile than the dollar is right now, and the gold standard didn't stop the Great Depression or any number of earlier recessions.

And in fact, exacerbated it. Every nation who wasn't on the gold standard wasn't much affected by the Great Depression, and those who abandoned it recovered very quickly (England, for example).

[Mercator Terra]

Ergo all arguments against him are wrong? No. I disagree with his plan to attach the dollar to a gold standard because gold is even more volatile than the dollar is right now, and the gold standard didn't stop the Great Depression or any number of earlier recessions.

And in fact, exacerbated it. Every nation who wasn't on the gold standard wasn't much affected by the Great Depression, and those who abandoned it recovered very quickly (England, for example).

Orly... Its funny because the gold standard back then wasnt even the kind of gold standard RP is supporting. Not to mention the gold standard does no cause the business cycle.

[Intangelon]

Nah, it means that he supports stable currency and a functional economy.

Oh, that's why so many people are unemployed. Got it.

More were unemployed during the Great Depression, but hey.

[Intangelon]

Ron Paul wants to abolish the IRS and have sound objective money again. Not a Southern Succession.

People that support the system that puts them in jail if they don't pay their ridiculous amount of taxes and steals money from them on the regular basis in the form of inflation have a serious case of stockholm syndrome in my opinion.

My effective tax rate is 10%. Not ridiculous. Next argument?

[Intangelon]

Why do you hate our economy?

Because our money is fake. The economy is full of regulation, subsidies, manipulated markets, fractional reserve banking fraud, and taxes.

I hate all these things.

Do you hate them more than unregulated and unabashedly fraudulent laissez-faire capitalism? 'Cause the fleecing will only get deeper and harder if regulation is pared away to nil.

[Mercator Terra]

Because our money is fake. The economy is full of regulation, subsidies, manipulated markets, fractional reserve banking fraud, and taxes.

I hate all these things.

Do you hate them more than unregulated and unabashedly fraudulent laissez-faire capitalism? 'Cause the fleecing will only get deeper and harder if regulation is pared away to nil.

laissez faire is a great thing

[Intangelon]

NO! 10 American Dollars is always worth 10 American Dollars!

10 dollars is always worth 10 dollars but a dollar isn't always worth the same.

PSST! Neither is an ounce of gold.

[Intangelon]

Yes, it does.

Actually, if our money were based on gold or silver then the unit of measurement would be objective and standard. Meaning the value of a dollar would be it's weight in gold, which is actually what the word dollar means.

I stopped there, because I didn't know that "Joachimsthaler" meant "worth its weight in gold" in Middle German.

[Intangelon]

No human can increase the amount of physical Au lying around. It's literally physically aside from human emotions. That's why it's value is innate and intrinsic.

Intrinsic? Seriously? Then why aren't we paying for things in chits of praseodymium? Rarity isn't the point. You think gold doesn't elicit or flow on emotion? Then what was all the fighting over claims about? Give me a break. It's about as aside from human emotion as A is aside from B.

[Intangelon]

That's what I was pointing out. Gold is inherently more stable than non mineral backed currency because it can't be mass produced and it has an actual value besides what a government says it's worth.

That and what happened to the Germans wouldn't be able to happen to us. Economy collapses, fiat money is worth nothing.

Likely not, but with a finite amount around, how do you propose the economy grow? Why do you hate freedom?

[Mercator Terra]

That and what happened to the Germans wouldn't be able to happen to us. Economy collapses, fiat money is worth nothing.

Likely not, but with a finite amount around, how do you propose the economy grow? Why do you hate freedom?

lolwhat?

[Farnhamia]

That and what happened to the Germans wouldn't be able to happen to us. Economy collapses, fiat money is worth nothing.

Likely not, but with a finite amount around, how do you propose the economy grow? Why do you hate freedom?

Indeed.

The US went onto the gold standard in 1879, and you know what happened?

- the recession of 1882 - 1885
- the recession of 1887 - 1888
- the recession of 1890 - 1891
- the panic of 1893
- the panic of 1896
- the recession of 1899 - 1900
- the recession of 1902 - 1904
- the panic of 1907
- the panic of 1910 - 1911
- the recession of 1913 - 1914
- the recession of 1918 - 1919
- the depression of 1920 - 1921
- the recession of 1923 - 1924
- the recession of 1926 - 1927

And then there was 1929. Shouldn't a "more inherently stable" currency have prevented all of that?

[Intangelon]

So what's the purpose of having that quack as a witness for the committee on monetary policy?

You'd have to ask Paul. He probably liked something he had to say, but when his mouth opened just crap spat out and they tried to make it sound like it's what Paul believes in.

Wait -- you mean it ISN'T fair to paint someone with the same brush as you might paint people with whom that person associates with? Shit, there go the GOP's chances in 2012.

[Ashmoria]

Likely not, but with a finite amount around, how do you propose the economy grow? Why do you hate freedom?

Indeed.

The US went onto the gold standard in 1879, and you know what happened?

- the recession of 1882 - 1885
- the recession of 1887 - 1888
- the recession of 1890 - 1891
- the panic of 1893
- the panic of 1896
- the recession of 1899 - 1900
- the recession of 1902 - 1904
- the panic of 1907
- the panic of 1910 - 1911
- the recession of 1913 - 1914
- the recession of 1918 - 1919
- the depression of 1920 - 1921
- the recession of 1923 - 1924
- the recession of 1926 - 1927

And then there was 1929. Shouldn't a "more inherently stable" currency have prevented all of that?

what was the basis of our currency before 1879?

[Mercator Terra]

Likely not, but with a finite amount around, how do you propose the economy grow? Why do you hate freedom?

Indeed.

The US went onto the gold standard in 1879, and you know what happened?

- the recession of 1882 - 1885
- the recession of 1887 - 1888
- the recession of 1890 - 1891
- the panic of 1893
- the panic of 1896
- the recession of 1899 - 1900
- the recession of 1902 - 1904
- the panic of 1907
- the panic of 1910 - 1911
- the recession of 1913 - 1914
- the recession of 1918 - 1919
- the depression of 1920 - 1921
- the recession of 1923 - 1924
- the recession of 1926 - 1927

And then there was 1929. Shouldn't a "more inherently stable" currency have prevented all of that?

That was not a "true" gold standard. It was distorted and nothing like what RP advocates. Also once again the gold standard has nothing to do with the business cycle. Well it effects the purchasing power of the people but thats it. The business cycle has its roots in banking.

[Farnhamia]

Indeed.

The US went onto the gold standard in 1879, and you know what happened?

- the recession of 1882 - 1885
- the recession of 1887 - 1888
- the recession of 1890 - 1891
- the panic of 1893
- the panic of 1896
- the recession of 1899 - 1900
- the recession of 1902 - 1904
- the panic of 1907
- the panic of 1910 - 1911
- the recession of 1913 - 1914
- the recession of 1918 - 1919
- the depression of 1920 - 1921
- the recession of 1923 - 1924
- the recession of 1926 - 1927

And then there was 1929. Shouldn't a "more inherently stable" currency have prevented all of that?

That was not a "true" gold standard. It was distorted and nothing like what RP advocates. Also once again the gold standard has nothing to do with the business cycle. Well it effects the purchasing power of the people but thats it. The business cycle has its roots in banking.

I knew you would say that, I really did.

Okay, how about the Gold Standard Act of 1900? You still have to explain away everything in my list from 1902 on.

[Mercator Terra]

That was not a "true" gold standard. It was distorted and nothing like what RP advocates. Also once again the gold standard has nothing to do with the business cycle. Well it effects the purchasing power of the people but thats it. The business cycle has its roots in banking.

I knew you would say that, I really did.

Okay, how about the Gold Standard Act of 1900? You still have to explain away everything in my list from 1902 on.

Not what I advocate.

EDIT: nor had anything correlation with the depression.