Grave_n_idle wrote:According to the Corporate Crime Reporter, (a legal publication), Louisiana is the most corrupt state, and has been since 2006. Mississippi is the second most corrupt, then Kentucky, then Alabama, then Ohio. Illinois isn't even top 5.
Yet at the sametime somewhere around 1500 individuals have been convicted of myriad forms of public corruption since 1970, 3 governors, and a 4th one on the way. While Chicago has the biggest anti-corruption unit in the country, and it over all has cost the Chicago area alone 300 Million to deal with this. Either way, were one of the worst, if not the worst state, and looking at people who still won't go, like Daley, and Jones, it's not going to get better. The amount of money it takes to both deal with this, the money wasted by the idiots in power, in the pay to play sheme, it has easily drained the city of money, trust, and will only continue to get worst.
Okay - here you seem to be doing nothing more than illustrating that Obama has backers, people that boost for him. All politicians have that - you haven't shown any suggestion of corruption here.
So... Jones... Daley... Rezko... and all the other corrupt others, are not corrupt, and are just backers of him
In terms of my state, you have no idea how wrong that statement was.
Okay, now we're getting somewhere. The actual corruption economy of Chicago.
And, you appear to be saying that Obama is connected to the corruption problem - so let's examine that: Blagojevich, George Ryan, Dan Walker, Otto Kerner Jr, William Stratton. Where is the evidence that implicates Obama with any of these - who will no doubt be recognised as THE veritable who's who of Chicago corruption.
Well he was a supporter and "booster" to blagojevich
But you forgot Jones, Daley, and a lot of the other still standing power brokers in the city is somewhat amazing, since it is Daley's Machine.
Right, his economic experts came up through a (maybe THE) prominent economic institution - that, incidentally, also supplied Henry Paulson (Secretary of the Treasury under G. W. Bush) and Robert Rubin (Secretary of the Treasury under Clinton). Goldman Sachs are not an unusual, or noticably partisan, feature of recent government.
And there very possible one of the causes for the downfall of the US economy. While the people who they have provided have saw, helped, and went through it's downfall, and now we are here. Clinton allowed for these subprime loans, bush expanded that, no one thought it could go wrong, then the market tanked. I would have hoped that Goldman Sachs, which has one of the best lobby groups on capital hill, would not have been given such a powerful position in our economic policy again.
And - what you notice you still lack - is EVIDENCE of any corruption.
Ok. I give, I have no evidence what so ever and am just making all this up because um a bigot red neck from the inner parts of Alabama that hates black people. Obama being president has made me so angry ive started to create lie after lie in order to bring on the republic of Jesusland, and screw that overly smart liberals up north. I still am angry over the outcome of the civil war, and I think he was born in Kenya. You have found me out, I guess my next best option it to move the south and our Iranian allies onto the moon where we can hate in peace./sarcasm
really... what do you want? A little floating sign that points to those who are corrupt?
The 'racist' in question, I assume, is his preacher? You are aware, I'm sure, that 'preacher' is not a position that Obama would have allocated, or been ina position to change - if he attended THAT church, THAT preacher would likely be the preacher he got. That's just how it works.
On his preacher, he was for awhile on the campaign, his 'spirtual advisor', while obama in pandering to the religious community did state that he went to church a lot. I mean, the teacher was racsist, did obviously have some issue with race relations. Which, since it does seem Obama knew his preacher said this, the question becomes why did he stay, or not speak out, and why not sooner.
http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html
FALSANI
Do you still attend Trinity?
OBAMA:
Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service.
Ever been there? Good service.
I actually wrote a book called Dreams from My Father, it's kind of a meditation on race. There's a whole chapter on the church in that, and my first visits to Trinity
That doesn't mean he chose 'to connect' himself with that preacher, any more than you have 'chosen to connect yourself' with all those here on NSG. WOuld you like to be judged by the company you keep here?
If I say yes would you be my friend
but at the sametime, he kinda did :\ Sure, people should not normally be judged by the company they are near, or the community they are in, but something as in a church, in which he was close to his preacher, who turned out to be a idiot, its more than just being on the internet. I see your point, but at the sametime I do wonder why he didn't once question the situation.
As for the 'domestic terrorist'... and? You're creating a link where there is superficial connection, at best
Bill Ayers, Works at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and was a Domestic Terrorist in the 70's, with one bombing claiming 3 lives. Him and Obama met in the mid 90's, and for the next decade worked on many foundations and organizations together. Though there main relationship is in dispute, it is obvious the Obama used Ayers connections with the Liberal sector of the city in order to further himself in the cities politics. Though Ayers himself was not involved in the 2008 election, and was not a advisor to Obama. It still raises some questions of judgement on the President's part to use Ayers to get ahread.
You appear to be offended by the suggestion that you should provide evidence?
not really. But i do feel the Evidence arguement is just being used when people don't want to counter the points that were raised, and would rather just ask for a source. A good political move.