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Postby Rambhutan » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:12 am

Lacadaemon wrote:Well to be fair there was no Islamic terrorism in the UK before multiculturalism. Back in those days we just used to rely on the Irish. Of course now we live in a global economy they've suffered from wage arbitrage I suppose.


The UK was multicultural for a long time before we had any Islamic terrorism. Seems to me that the rise of Islamic terrorism is more connected to Government policy and Tony Blair's efforts to get into George Bush's pants than multiculturalism.

Still we are all cockneys/Essex now...
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Postby Nazis in Space » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:18 am

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No, but I certainly wish it did.
The personnel required to reintroduce it certainly exists.

Also, lulz at people screaming bloody murder when the PM says something about how everyone has to accept certain core values. Because telling muslims that participation in the democratic process, not violence is the acceptable way to do politics, that women's rights aren't the work sheitan and caricatures not a reason to flip out and kill everyone in the room is the same as a holocaust.

Clearly.

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Postby Georgism » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:20 am

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EnragedMaldivians wrote:I have always preferred assimilation based on civic nationalism.

Knowing Europe, that's probably not going to happen.

Why ever not?

The Romans managed it.
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Postby Lacadaemon » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:20 am

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Rambhutan wrote:Can't help but feel that the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh, the Cornish, Geordies, Brummies, and people from Yorkshire aren't going to enjoy being assimilated into mainstream British culture.


Oh yeah, those people are all so different and strange compared to regular Brits. They wear hats on their feet and use stale bread as boats.


Who told you about the bread boats?
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Postby Risottia » Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:32 am

Lacadaemon wrote:Well to be fair there was no Islamic terrorism in the UK before multiculturalism. Back in those days we just used to rely on the Irish.

Þat's because the daſtardly governments of yore allowed paddies and Caþolics to walk free in þe UK, ſhowing again a multiculturaliſt doctrine.
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Postby French Union » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:08 am

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How democratic of you! :clap:

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Postby Nodinia » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:43 am

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I am shocked. Shocked.


It makes you question everything, really.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:45 am

Georgism wrote:Why ever not?

The Romans managed it.

Too much violence for the modern day. International opinion would be devastated.
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Postby Nodinia » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:47 am

Nazis in Space wrote:Also, lulz at people screaming bloody murder when the PM says something about how everyone has to accept certain core values. Because telling muslims that participation in the democratic process, not violence is the acceptable way to do politics, that women's rights aren't the work sheitan and caricatures not a reason to flip out and kill everyone in the room is the same as a holocaust.

Clearly.


You will note, however, that his fine moral stance says absolutely nothing about British links to the cause of the spread of the Wahabi doctrine throughout the work, BAE and co in particular. Thats because that would have consequences in the real world, outside of the bulge in the pants of the daily mail readership he's aiming for.

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Postby Innsmothe » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:06 pm

Sun Aut Ex wrote:
Rambhutan wrote:Can't help but feel that the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh, the Cornish, Geordies, Brummies, and people from Yorkshire aren't going to enjoy being assimilated into mainstream British culture.


Oh yeah, those people are all so different and strange compared to regular Brits. They wear hats on their feet and use stale bread as boats.


Uhhhh...They still have the right to use their own language and semi-independent currency (The Scottish pound) and definable culture differences including the devolution of the gaelic/celtic governments.

If you on;t know what you are talking about, it's best not to open your mouth.
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Postby Atheist Heathens » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:23 pm

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Chemaki wrote:Some of this is the most steriotypical, twisted, and utterly wrong shit that I've seen in Nationstates.


Stereotypical =/= not true


That's true and also probably why if you read along just three short words you find the bit of the sentence that is meant to be implying that what you've said is not true.

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Chemaki wrote:If you don't have any sources to back the fact that all immigrants to the EU are lazy slobs, in your opinion, and that the EU is still a bunch of race-hating fascists, I think you should stop posting here.


I didn't claim 'all immigrants'. Stop with that typical progressive 'we hate it if someone disagrees with us' attitude of first deliberately misrepresenting someones words, and then judging based on that misrepresentation. Something straw man this way come.


You're right what a terrible misrepresentation of your comments, you actually wrote;
F1-Insanity wrote:And another difference, immigrants to the US come to work (mostly), and in Euroland many come to collect welfare and most decidedly do not want to integrate or give up parts of their culture incompatible with that of the free west


So do you actually have any sources that support your claim that a majority of US immigrants go to get work but a substantial proportion of European immigrants don't and that a majority of European immigrants don't integrate?

One last thing;
F1-Insanity wrote:Public spending in UK as opposed to rest of Euroland
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Hmm 'Euroland' now includes the USA, Canada and Australia does it?
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:24 pm

Since when did Cameron switch to BNP?
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:26 pm

Innsmothe wrote:
Sun Aut Ex wrote:
Oh yeah, those people are all so different and strange compared to regular Brits. They wear hats on their feet and use stale bread as boats.


Uhhhh...They still have the right to use their own language and semi-independent currency (The Scottish pound) and definable culture differences including the devolution of the gaelic/celtic governments.

If you on;t know what you are talking about, it's best not to open your mouth.


Currently in St.Andrews, Scotland. The hatred exhibited towards the Enlgish on the part of some Scots border on the deranged.

Since when did Cameron switch to BNP?


That's not really fair; being against multi-culturalism does not equate to being against a multi-racial society. Multi-culturalism certainly is not above being scrutinised as an approach.
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Postby Seperates » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:28 pm

Well... All I can say is that it's about bloody time.
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Postby Georgism » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:29 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Georgism wrote:Why ever not?

The Romans managed it.

Too much violence for the modern day. International opinion would be devastated.

Aye, but with a little modification I'm sure it could be fairly successful.
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Postby Georgism » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:31 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:Currently in St.Andrews, Scotland. The hatred exhibited towards the Enlgish on the part of some Scots border on the deranged.

They're Scots, they're always deranged.

*Runs from Scotsmen*
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Postby Georgism » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:32 pm

Gauthier wrote:Since when did Cameron switch to BNP?

Never?
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Postby Angleter » Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:36 pm

Well, I never. A country promoting an ideology that discourages immigrant groups from integration into that country's society isn't that good for that country. Who knew?
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Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:51 pm

This may be a stupid question but up until now what did the government do exactly to encourage multiculturalism?
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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:56 pm

Fnordgasm 5 wrote:This may be a stupid question but up until now what did the government do exactly to encourage multiculturalism?


Flood the country with immigrants, without doing rigorous check on who they were letting in.
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So you think it's ok to waste valuable police time and resources to pander to minority superstitions?

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about ten minutes, I have to go to ID a Muslim woman."


Yes.

Unless of course it's not OK for a woman to ask for a female to ask for a female officer to carry out body checks. In which case, the answer would be no.

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Postby Person012345 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:15 pm

Sun Aut Ex wrote:
Fnordgasm 5 wrote:This may be a stupid question but up until now what did the government do exactly to encourage multiculturalism?


Flood the country with immigrants, without doing rigorous check on who they were letting in.

^This, they let all them brown type people in, and as we all know they couldn't have been doing checks because all brown people are terrorists.

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Postby Georgism » Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:18 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Sun Aut Ex wrote:
Flood the country with immigrants, without doing rigorous check on who they were letting in.

^This, they let all them brown type people in, and as we all know they couldn't have been doing checks because all brown people are terrorists.

And not just brown people, either. They let blacks in as well!

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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:27 pm

Person012345 wrote:^This, they let all them brown type people in, and as we all know they couldn't have been doing checks because all brown people are terrorists.


Yeah, because there's NO WAY a brown person could be a terrorist.
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Keronians wrote:
So you think it's ok to waste valuable police time and resources to pander to minority superstitions?

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about ten minutes, I have to go to ID a Muslim woman."


Yes.

Unless of course it's not OK for a woman to ask for a female to ask for a female officer to carry out body checks. In which case, the answer would be no.

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about then minutes, I have to go to carry out a body check on a woman."

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Postby Gauthier » Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:31 pm

Sun Aut Ex wrote:
Person012345 wrote:^This, they let all them brown type people in, and as we all know they couldn't have been doing checks because all brown people are terrorists.


Yeah, because there's NO WAY a brown person could be a terrorist.


Every single brown person out there is a terrorist. They shouldn't immigrate, they should be locked away in Gitmo for life.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Georgism » Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:34 pm

Gauthier wrote:Every single brown person out there is a terrorist. They shouldn't immigrate, they should be locked away in Gitmo for life.

Dunno about that. Shooting on sight seems more appropriate and less costly.
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