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Postby Sibirsky » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:49 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:We're in the 21st century now.

So we are. Glad we're not in the 19th anymore.
And in the 20th, governments have caused far more environmental damage.

Of course, with all of their environmental regulation and the sort. How harmful.

You do realize that the government is the biggest polluter in the US, right?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:51 pm

Sibirsky wrote:You do realize that the government is the biggest polluter in the US, right?

Citation needed.
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Postby Sibirsky » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:51 pm

The Soviet government destroyed a sea
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Postby Natapoc » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:52 pm

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Natapoc wrote:Speaking of environmentalism, the state, corporations, and the joy of militant uprising against the oppressive oligarchy... Has anyone here seen "the coconut revolution"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 630784238#

You're real back and forth about this revolution thing.



:) The bolded was a joking Conserative Morality! But related to the video... The customs agents were more understanding then you are! (they questioned me about a pamphlet I had in my luggage about anarchism social revolution)
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Postby Mercator Terra » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:52 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:You do realize that the government is the biggest polluter in the US, right?

Citation needed.

http://www.alternet.org/health/85186?page=entire
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Linperia wrote:how can a market be free if we got participants with very few money and with a lot.
but maybe a equal market would lead to a free society.


A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither.

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Postby Mercator Terra » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:53 pm

Sibirsky wrote:The Soviet government destroyed a sea

But dont you see they did it for the people. :roll:
Vecherd wrote:
Linperia wrote:how can a market be free if we got participants with very few money and with a lot.
but maybe a equal market would lead to a free society.


A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither.

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Postby Sibirsky » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:54 pm

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Sibirsky wrote:You do realize that the government is the biggest polluter in the US, right?

Citation needed.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0327-21.htm

The U.S. Department of Defense is the largest polluter in the world, producing more hazardous waste than the five largest U.S. chemical companies combined.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:55 pm


Taking a look at the front page and some of the other stories they print, as well as the lack of studies backing up the story printed, I'm going to have to laugh at this source.
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Postby Mercator Terra » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:56 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:

Taking a look at the front page and some of the other stories they print, as well as the lack of studies backing up the story printed, I'm going to have to laugh at this source.

Its a Chomsky loving website why dont you like it?
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Linperia wrote:how can a market be free if we got participants with very few money and with a lot.
but maybe a equal market would lead to a free society.


A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither.

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Postby Wamitoria » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:57 pm

Mercator Terra wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Taking a look at the front page and some of the other stories they print, as well as the lack of studies backing up the story printed, I'm going to have to laugh at this source.

Its a Chomsky loving website why dont you like it?

CM isn't a liberal or a hippie.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:57 pm

Sibirsky wrote:http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0327-21.htm

The U.S. Department of Defense is the largest polluter in the world, producing more hazardous waste than the five largest U.S. chemical companies combined.

Once again, I am not looking for opinionated Net News with no sources, or worse, subpar sources, I'm looking for solid studies.
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Postby Mediterreania » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:57 pm

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Natapoc wrote:Oh no, you misunderstand. The invasion force will be fought with all available means including lethal force. You asked what would happen if YOU were a threat. Not what would happen if you came in with an army.

History shows that centralized States can more efficiently field, train, and equip armies, and possess greater staying power strategically speaking, as well as a greater ability to utilize available resources. Seeing as an anarchic commune is at the tail end of 'Centralization', I somehow doubt that you'd be able to resist even a bright warlord running around with a couple of dozen guns and followers.

See: Ukrainian Black Army, Durruti Column
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:57 pm

Mercator Terra wrote:Its a Chomsky loving website why dont you like it?

Because I'm an authoritarian State Capitalist, not a hippie.
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Postby Sibirsky » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:57 pm

Natapoc wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:You're real back and forth about this revolution thing.



:) The bolded was a joking Conserative Morality! But related to the video... The customs agents were more understanding then you are! (they questioned me about a pamphlet I had in my luggage about anarchism social revolution)

:lol:
Why would you carry something like that across national borders?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:58 pm

Mediterreania wrote:See: Ukrainian Black Army, Durruti Column

Hey, guess what happened to them? They lost. :lol:
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:59 pm

Sibirsky wrote:The Soviet government destroyed a sea

No doubt that the Soviets were irresponsible bastards, but just as not every company is Enron, not every government is the USSR.
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Postby Mercator Terra » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:59 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Mercator Terra wrote:Its a Chomsky loving website why dont you like it?

Because I'm an authoritarian State Capitalist, not a hippie.

NC is cooler then you...
Vecherd wrote:
Linperia wrote:how can a market be free if we got participants with very few money and with a lot.
but maybe a equal market would lead to a free society.


A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:59 pm

Natapoc wrote::) The bolded was a joking Conserative Morality! But related to the video... The customs agents were more understanding then you are! (they questioned me about a pamphlet I had in my luggage about anarchism social revolution)

I do my best to oppress the proletariat.
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Postby Sibirsky » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:59 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:

Once again, I am not looking for opinionated Net News with no sources, or worse, subpar sources, I'm looking for solid studies.

You do realize that the military is the biggest consumer of oil in the US, correct? Is it such a stretch of one's imagination that they would be the largest polluter?
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Postby New Unsociety » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:00 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
New Unsociety wrote:A collective factory or service can work as good or better than a vertical-power-structure one(see Argentine autogestion,Spain in the Civil War).

Spain in the Civil war? You mean those same anarchists that were beaten pathetically in both the Republican infighting and against the Fascists?


Beaten by

1)Stalinists(supported by the war machine known as USSR)
2)Franco(supported by the war machine known as Nazi Germany)

and both at the same time!

Even France didn't last long against the nazis alone!
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Postby Mercator Terra » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:00 pm

Mercator Terra wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Because I'm an authoritarian State Capitalist, not a hippie.

NC is cooler then you...

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Vecherd wrote:
Linperia wrote:how can a market be free if we got participants with very few money and with a lot.
but maybe a equal market would lead to a free society.


A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither.

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“Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man.” Friedrich Nietzsche
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:00 pm

Mercator Terra wrote:NC is cooler then you...

Listen, just because I don't wear a little green hat and a red vest whenever I sit around in my neighbors garden does not make me less cool than Noam.
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Postby New Unsociety » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:01 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Mediterreania wrote:See: Ukrainian Black Army, Durruti Column

Hey, guess what happened to them? They lost. :lol:



Due to numbers,not a worse system.
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Postby Natapoc » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:01 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Natapoc wrote:

:) The bolded was a joking Conserative Morality! But related to the video... The customs agents were more understanding then you are! (they questioned me about a pamphlet I had in my luggage about anarchism social revolution)

:lol:
Why would you carry something like that across national borders?

It's legal... I think? lol. I don't know I was not really thinking. I'd been out of the country for a while and just packed everything not thinking of how it may come across in a "random" bag screening (although there were TSA check pamphlets from each destination inside so they were obviously concerned about my bag. lol)
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:02 pm

Sibirsky wrote:You do realize that the military is the biggest consumer of oil in the US, correct? Is it such a stretch of one's imagination that they would be the largest polluter?

Ah, but a plurality is not a majority. It is the largest single consumer, sure, but it's not split up into a dozen different organizations, it has a monopoly.
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