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Well?

Legalize it.
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Nah, fuck no. Fuck the fuck off!
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Legalize it, but only under specific conditions (please explain).
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Postby Innsmothe » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:57 pm

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Lackadaisical2 wrote:People in Israel don't know how to fuck animals or something?

Religious communities anywhere tend to be more conservative on the idea of "animal fucking".


Yeah, they tend to go for children.
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Postby Old Vester » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:58 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:No harm. Ha. Not everything boils down to logic. Some things are just wrong, regardless of logical evidence to the contrary.
Again how does an animal give consent?

From what I've seen, it doesn't matter as long as the animal isn't harmed in any way.
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Postby Takaram » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:59 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:No harm. Ha. Not everything boils down to logic. Some things are just wrong, regardless of logical evidence to the contrary.
Again how does an animal give consent?


No, things do boil down to logic. If you can't say why something is wrong, then there is no reason to restrict the actions of people.

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Postby Innsmothe » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:59 pm

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:59 pm

Old Vester wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:No harm. Ha. Not everything boils down to logic. Some things are just wrong, regardless of logical evidence to the contrary.
Again how does an animal give consent?

From what I've seen, it doesn't matter as long as the animal isn't harmed in any way.


You know what? Fuck this. I'm quitting while I'm ahead.

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Postby Innsmothe » Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:59 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Old Vester wrote:From what I've seen, it doesn't matter as long as the animal isn't harmed in any way.


You know what? Fuck this. I'm quitting while I'm ahead.

Yeah, it;s for the best.
ان الذي فشل لقتلي فقط يجعلني غريب
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Postby The Western Reaches » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:00 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:No harm. Ha. Not everything boils down to logic. Some things are just wrong, regardless of logical evidence to the contrary.
Again how does an animal give consent?

Being gay was "just wrong".

It's not about the wrongness, and sex between animals doesn't involve consent so I doubt they'd notice they were being "abused".

Inter species sex goes on in the wild, and there's really nothing that evil about it.
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Postby Old Vester » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:00 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Old Vester wrote:From what I've seen, it doesn't matter as long as the animal isn't harmed in any way.


You know what? Fuck this. I'm quitting while I'm ahead.

This thread is pretty much one-sided anyway. I'll stick around and see more crazy reasons why beastiality is okay.
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Postby The Deep Vault » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:01 pm

Morally speaking, bestiality is fine if consent is given. Practically speaking, it's harder to tell if they actually did consent. Therefore, I support legalization of bestiality only if the person doesn't own the animal, and if there's some way the animal could rebuke the person.
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:01 pm

Although I will point out that no one answered how an animal can legally give consent.

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Postby Gagatron » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:01 pm

Innsmothe wrote:
Gagatron wrote:I'm sorry if I came of as rude, I'm just a bit under the weather.

Best wishes, I know how it feels to lose a loved one.

And sorry about your window.

If you could see the link between the widow being broken and my mate dying, my opinion of your intelligence leaped quite a bit, that was rather subtle I thought.


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Postby Innsmothe » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:01 pm

Old Vester wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
You know what? Fuck this. I'm quitting while I'm ahead.

This thread is pretty much one-sided anyway. I'll stick around and see more crazy reasons why beastiality is okay.

It;s traditional.
Social animals see it as a reasonable sign of male dominance. (well in pack canines especially.)
Some people are just that ugly...or drunk.
ان الذي فشل لقتلي فقط يجعلني غريب
"an aledy feshel leqtely feqt yej'eleny gheryeb"
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Postby Vectrova » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:02 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:No harm. Ha. Not everything boils down to logic. Some things are just wrong, regardless of logical evidence to the contrary.
Again how does an animal give consent?


If you can't make an argument why it is wrong, it isn't. Otherwise it ceases being more than a horrifically ill-supported opinion. Offending your sensitivities doesn't make anything illegal, sound arguments and demonstrations of who is harmed and how badly do.

1. Animals generally have a means to communicate non-consent. Violence.

2. Given what other sort of stuff we do to animals routinely in disregard for their consent (specifically breed them as enslaved entertainment, butchering at a slaughterhouse, etc.), what's one more thing?
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Postby Old Vester » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:03 pm

Innsmothe wrote:
Old Vester wrote:This thread is pretty much one-sided anyway. I'll stick around and see more crazy reasons why beastiality is okay.

It;s traditional.
Social animals see it as a reasonable sign of male dominance. (well in pack canines especially.)
Some people are just that ugly...or drunk.

It was also traditional to take a possible pregnant woman's urine and inject into the ovaries of a rabbit to see if the woman was pregnant. Just because it is traditional that doesn't mean it's alright.
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:03 pm

Whatever.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:03 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Old Vester wrote:It's pretty much the whole argument. That people have the right to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others.


I disagree. Aside from the obvious issue that an animal can't legally give consent, it's just wrong. Therefore, fuck off. Why do I feel like this is going to turn into the incest thread again?


Oh please, not this again. Consent is kind of a weird issue to bring up when discussing animals because we do not ask and animals cannot give consent to any of the things we do to them.
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Postby Takaram » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:04 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:Although I will point out that no one answered how an animal can legally give consent.


For the record, I wasn't necessarily saying beastiality should be legal, just that "It's wrong" is not a viable response.

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Postby North Suran » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:04 pm

In light of the fact that animals cannot give consent and people can fucking die during bestial sex sessions, I'm gonna say "keep it illegal".
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Postby Gagatron » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:04 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:Whatever.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:05 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:Although I will point out that no one answered how an animal can legally give consent.

And as I've said before, as long as animals are corralled and butchered for human use, bestiality laws are hypocritical. One hand, you're treating them as properties (it's my dog, my sheep got eaten by a fox, milk my cow, etc.) and on the other, you're treating them as if they are human.

Not that I am against or for beastiality, as it presents health risks.
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Postby The Deep Vault » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:09 pm

Vectrova wrote:

1. Animals generally have a means to communicate non-consent. Violence.
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Postby Norstal » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:10 pm

The Deep Vault wrote:
Vectrova wrote:

1. Animals generally have a means to communicate non-consent. Violence.

And we shoot mad dogs. Your point?
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Postby Mosasauria » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:12 pm

Innsmothe wrote:
Gagatron wrote:Religious communities anywhere tend to be more conservative on the idea of "animal fucking".


Yeah, they tend to go for children.

That's some christians and some muslims. Gagatron is referring to religious communities, which can even be Buddhist.
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Postby Mosasauria » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:12 pm

Norstal wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:Although I will point out that no one answered how an animal can legally give consent.

And as I've said before, as long as animals are corralled and butchered for human use, bestiality laws are hypocritical. One hand, you're treating them as properties (it's my dog, my sheep got eaten by a fox, milk my cow, etc.) and on the other, you're treating them as if they are human.

Not that I am against or for beastiality, as it presents health risks.

I say let them fuck a horse and get torn aprt by it.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:16 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:Although I will point out that no one answered how an animal can legally give consent.


They can't. And it's very weird you bring such an issue to bear because animals cannot nor do we ask them for consent when we do the things we do to them.

The issue of consent is a human one and irrelevant to this thread.
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