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Postby UCUMAY » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:34 pm

Arborlawn wrote:
UCUMAY wrote: :eyebrow: Read entire thread. It's natural for you to be straight. It's natural for me to have bi-sexual attraction. It's natural for Insomthe to be gay. There's nothing wrong with any of them and if you have a problem with it.... Just stay out of our beds.


It is not natural for you have to bi-sexual attraction. It is not natural for you to have any other preference other than to be "straight"

:) Please continue on your God trip since you seem to know what it's like to be me. When your God says "Judge not, lest you be judged."
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Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:40 pm

Arborlawn wrote:Yes, it is a choice. No, it is not genetic. Deal with it.

'Tis not a choice. But even if it were, it still isn't wrong.
Arborlawn wrote:Homosexuality is abnormal from the regular human species. Examine the following:

No, it isn't, but I'll look anyway.
Arborlawn wrote:- Religiously it is wrong (At least in Abrahamic Religions)

Not everyone is Abrahamic, and certainly not everyone believes in religion in the first place. So this doesn't matter.
Arborlawn wrote:- Morally, it is wrong. It is seen as Taboo by the greater of society

No such thing as morally right or morally wrong as a generality. You and some others may think it is, but another person may see it as morally neutral or morally right.
Arborlawn wrote:- Scientifically, it is wrong. We naturally are attracted to the opposite sex, and we naturally know that a penis goes into a vagina. We naturally know that our mom gave birth to us. As we grow up, our instincts go even further to know that you gotta bang a chick to get a child. Naturally, men get with women, women get with men.

Not everyone is naturally attracted to the opposite sex.
Not everyone wants to put a penis into a vagina.
So?
That's changing.
Again, your point?
Arborlawn wrote:Homosexuality Is Abnormal. Homosexuality Is Wrong. Homosexuality is a threat to Humanity.

No it isn't.
No it isn't.
No it isn't. If anything, its saving us from overpopulation.

Stop being foolish.

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Postby UCUMAY » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:41 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Arborlawn wrote:Yes, it is a choice. No, it is not genetic. Deal with it.

'Tis not a choice. But even if it were, it still isn't wrong.
Arborlawn wrote:Homosexuality is abnormal from the regular human species. Examine the following:

No, it isn't, but I'll look anyway.
Arborlawn wrote:- Religiously it is wrong (At least in Abrahamic Religions)

Not everyone is Abrahamic, and certainly not everyone believes in religion in the first place. So this doesn't matter.
Arborlawn wrote:- Morally, it is wrong. It is seen as Taboo by the greater of society

No such thing as morally right or morally wrong as a generality. You and some others may think it is, but another person may see it as morally neutral or morally right.
Arborlawn wrote:- Scientifically, it is wrong. We naturally are attracted to the opposite sex, and we naturally know that a penis goes into a vagina. We naturally know that our mom gave birth to us. As we grow up, our instincts go even further to know that you gotta bang a chick to get a child. Naturally, men get with women, women get with men.

Not everyone is naturally attracted to the opposite sex.
Not everyone wants to put a penis into a vagina.
So?
That's changing.
Again, your point?
Arborlawn wrote:Homosexuality Is Abnormal. Homosexuality Is Wrong. Homosexuality is a threat to Humanity.

No it isn't.
No it isn't.
No it isn't. If anything, its saving us from overpopulation.

Stop being foolish.

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Postby Arborlawn » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:41 pm

UCUMAY wrote:
Arborlawn wrote:
It is not natural for you have to bi-sexual attraction. It is not natural for you to have any other preference other than to be "straight"

:) Please continue on your God trip since you seem to know what it's like to be me. When your God says "Judge not, lest you be judged."


I am not taking this from a "God View". Though I am religiously affiliated. However, there are reports done, that with the effect of homosexuality in concentrated areas, national populations are decreasing. My homeland, Italy, has a birthrate in the negatives, 1 contributed to the reason because our women are really bitchy, but 2 because there is a significant number of homosexuals in our country. What if the whole world was gay? Homosexuality effectively reduces the human population, which we know we need to sustain.

Scientifically, homosexuality is abnormal. It is not natural. The human population naturally is attracted to the opposite gender. When a "Survival of the Fittest" moment comes along, humans naturally take the natural sexual preferences to their instincts, to survive. Homosexuals would like be left.

I try to refrain from involving religion into this, though I hold religion to my heart. However, I put religion in when someone is being absolutely ridiculous. You seem reasonable.
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Postby Tokos » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:43 pm

When a "Survival of the Fittest" moment comes along, humans naturally take the natural sexual preferences to their instincts, to survive. Homosexuals would like be left.


I guess Jesus was wrong to be celibate then, since that has the same effect evolutionarily :roll:
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Postby Charussia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:44 pm

I'm on the boat saying that being gay is just a part of who you are, kinda like skin or eye color. No, I'm not saying it is genetic, but it's just a part of them, of who they are.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:45 pm

Arborlawn wrote:
UCUMAY wrote::) Please continue on your God trip since you seem to know what it's like to be me. When your God says "Judge not, lest you be judged."


I am not taking this from a "God View". Though I am religiously affiliated. However, there are reports done, that with the effect of homosexuality in concentrated areas, national populations are decreasing. My homeland, Italy, has a birthrate in the negatives, 1 contributed to the reason because our women are really bitchy, but 2 because there is a significant number of homosexuals in our country. What if the whole world was gay? Homosexuality effectively reduces the human population, which we know we need to sustain.

Scientifically, homosexuality is abnormal. It is not natural. The human population naturally is attracted to the opposite gender. When a "Survival of the Fittest" moment comes along, humans naturally take the natural sexual preferences to their instincts, to survive. Homosexuals would like be left.

I try to refrain from involving religion into this, though I hold religion to my heart. However, I put religion in when someone is being absolutely ridiculous. You seem reasonable.

Wait... can we go back to Italy isn't making babies because women are bitchy? Because that alone may take all fucking night.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:46 pm

Arborlawn wrote: What if the whole world was gay? Homosexuality effectively reduces the human population, which we know we need to sustain.

One, that is impossible because a majority of people will, most likely, be attracted to the opposite gender. And, if it did happen, the people would still bang each other in the leiu of impending extinction. Its only logical.
Arborlawn wrote:Scientifically, homosexuality is abnormal. It is not natural. The human population naturally is attracted to the opposite gender. When a "Survival of the Fittest" moment comes along, humans naturally take the natural sexual preferences to their instincts, to survive. Homosexuals would like be left.

Animals have gay sex.

Your "it isn't natural" theory is hereby bullshit.

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Postby Arborlawn » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:47 pm

Tokos wrote:
When a "Survival of the Fittest" moment comes along, humans naturally take the natural sexual preferences to their instincts, to survive. Homosexuals would like be left.


I guess Jesus was wrong to be celibate then, since that has the same effect evolutionarily :roll:


Jesus remain celibate because he was not called to have children, he was called to save the world. If you will examine above, we are keeping religion out of it. Read before you post, and do not jump to conclusions about someone's Savior.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:48 pm

Arborlawn wrote:
Tokos wrote:
I guess Jesus was wrong to be celibate then, since that has the same effect evolutionarily :roll:


Jesus remain celibate because he was not called to have children, he was called to save the world. If you will examine above, we are keeping religion out of it. Read before you post, and do not jump to conclusions about someone's Savior.

:eyebrow: :palm: :roll:

Or maybe he was gay. But lets leave religion out of it.

Point is: its not a choice.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:48 pm

Arborlawn wrote:
Tokos wrote:
I guess Jesus was wrong to be celibate then, since that has the same effect evolutionarily :roll:


Jesus remain celibate because he was not called to have children, he was called to save the world. If you will examine above, we are keeping religion out of it. Read before you post, and do not jump to conclusions about someone's Savior.

:eyebrow: :palm: :roll:

I get it. Jesus wasn't natural.
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Postby Tokos » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:48 pm

Maybe homosexuals aren't "called" to have children either.

My point is no one except Orthodox Jews attack people for being celibates or childless, but then attack homosexuals for the same reason.
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Postby SaintB » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:49 pm

Helertia wrote:And fair point about Mardi Gras - but that is one event in one city (although others do conduct copy cats) and there isn't a Hetrosexual Pride movement which works in the same way as Gay Pride.

But there is... every time a man and woman walk down the street, kiss on a park bench, snuggle, cuddle, etc. they are expressing their heterosexual pride. Every time they get married they express their heterosexual pride. You can't turn on a damn TV without seeing heterosexual pride being smeared all over the place from everything from commercials to cartoon shows. Magazines, Books, Billboards, Posters, heterosexual pride is everywhere all the time in everyone's face.

Homosexuals try to do it and get criticized.
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:49 pm

It's just something that makes them feel an attraction to the same sex. Sometimes more subtle than with others. It's really not that bad or unnatural.

There have always been homosexuals, only know it has become more accepted so people feel more comfortable with being homosexual.

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Postby Coccygia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:50 pm

Arborlawn wrote:Scientifically, homosexuality is abnormal. It is not natural. The human population naturally is attracted to the opposite gender. When a "Survival of the Fittest" moment comes along, humans naturally take the natural sexual preferences to their instincts, to survive. Homosexuals would like be left.

So why aren't homosexuals extinct already? Or at least extremely rare? (This oughta be good. ;) )
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:51 pm

Arborlawn wrote: My homeland, Italy, has a birthrate in the negatives, 1 contributed to the reason because our women are really bitchy, but 2 because there is a significant number of homosexuals in our country.

:rofl:
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:57 pm

Go on YouTube and check out 'gay monkey blowjob'. They're a part of the natural world and they''re still doing it. So it must be natural.

Am I allowed to provide a link though? I don't want to get beaten for this. :?
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Zeth Rekia wrote:Go on YouTube and check out 'gay monkey blowjob'. They're a part of the natural world and they''re still doing it. So it must be natural.

Am I allowed to provide a link though? I don't want to get beaten for this. :?

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Postby Tokos » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:00 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:Go on YouTube and check out 'gay monkey blowjob'. They're a part of the natural world and they''re still doing it. So it must be natural.

Am I allowed to provide a link though? I don't want to get beaten for this. :?


In the interests of fairness, I have to point out there is also a video of a chimpanzee raping a frog, which is not something anyone wants humans doing.
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Postby UCUMAY » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:01 pm

Arborlawn wrote:I am not taking this from a "God View". Though I am religiously affiliated. However, there are reports done, that with the effect of homosexuality in concentrated areas, national populations are decreasing. My homeland, Italy, has a birthrate in the negatives, 1 contributed to the reason because our women are really bitchy, but 2 because there is a significant number of homosexuals in our country. What if the whole world was gay? Homosexuality effectively reduces the human population, which we know we need to sustain.

Scientifically, homosexuality is abnormal. It is not natural. The human population naturally is attracted to the opposite gender. When a "Survival of the Fittest" moment comes along, humans naturally take the natural sexual preferences to their instincts, to survive. Homosexuals would like be left.

I try to refrain from involving religion into this, though I hold religion to my heart. However, I put religion in when someone is being absolutely ridiculous. You seem reasonable.

Okay this I can work with. The italian birth rate is roughly 8/1,000 people a year. Death rate is about 10/1,000. This by itself I can agree is negative. This is made worse by your government's immigration laws. Personally as most on this side of the ocean would attest there will be bitches everywhere. Plus I'm reading the LGBT stats and at most 20% of the population is gay. This still leaves a healthy breeding population. From what I can tell your anger towards a negative population growth is better placed on advances in birth control, abortion, the country's difficult immigration laws, and the fact people leave Italy.

http://www.indexmundi.com/italy/birth_rate.html
http://www.indexmundi.com/italy/death_rate.html
http://www.mapsofworld.com/italy/italy-population.html

Homosexuality by the way does have a purpose (at least in guys). The sisters of a homosexual tend to have more sex, and have more children than if their brother were straight. (Although for whatever reason I cannot find the article.) Also consider the homosexual brother a built in baby sitter. So maybe find a woman with a homosexual brother?
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:02 pm

Tokos wrote:
Zeth Rekia wrote:Go on YouTube and check out 'gay monkey blowjob'. They're a part of the natural world and they''re still doing it. So it must be natural.

Am I allowed to provide a link though? I don't want to get beaten for this. :?


In the interests of fairness, I have to point out there is also a video of a chimpanzee raping a frog, which is not something anyone wants humans doing.


And a male rabbit raping a male cat. It did ejaculate too.

Once again, don't hurt me. :oops:

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Postby SaintB » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:04 pm

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Tokos wrote:
In the interests of fairness, I have to point out there is also a video of a chimpanzee raping a frog, which is not something anyone wants humans doing.


And a male rabbit raping a male cat. It did ejaculate too.

Once again, don't hurt me. :oops:

This is just going to get the thread closed.
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Postby UCUMAY » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:05 pm

SaintB wrote:
Zeth Rekia wrote:
And a male rabbit raping a male cat. It did ejaculate too.

Once again, don't hurt me. :oops:

This is just going to get the thread closed.

Probably not I've posted worse...
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Postby Geniasis » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:06 pm

Arborlawn wrote:Yes, it is a choice. No, it is not genetic. Deal with it.


No it isn't, jury's still out on what exactly causes it, no I'm not going to accept blatant falsehoods as truth.

Homosexuality is abnormal from the regular human species. Examine the following:


A lot of things are "abnormal." It's a weak argument.

- Religiously it is wrong (At least in Abrahamic Religions)


Not all religions are Abrahamic. At any rate, your treatment of other people violates a few tenants yourself. Beware the glass house.

- Morally, it is wrong. It is seen as Taboo by the greater of society


Appeal to Popularity.

- Scientifically, it is wrong. We naturally are attracted to the opposite sex, and we naturally know that a penis goes into a vagina. We naturally know that our mom gave birth to us. As we grow up, our instincts go even further to know that you gotta bang a chick to get a child. Naturally, men get with women, women get with men.


The first sentence is nonsensical. Science does not determine whether something is right or wrong, but whether or not it is true. It is true that homosexuality occurs in nature, however.

Homosexuality Is Abnormal. Homosexuality Is Wrong.


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Homosexuality is a threat to Humanity.


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Postby Coccygia » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:10 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Tokos wrote:In the interests of fairness, I have to point out there is also a video of a chimpanzee raping a frog, which is not something anyone wants humans doing.

And a male rabbit raping a male cat. It did ejaculate too.
Once again, don't hurt me. :oops:

How the hell could a rabbit rape a cat? Cats have CLAWS and FANGS. Bunnies just have buck teeth. (Good thing it wasn't a female cat...you'd end up with a bunch of pussy hares*.)


* :blush: Couldn't resist.
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