It's a Choice.....Oh Really?

by **Ceannairceach** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:02 pm

Meowfoundland wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:
People, HOMOSEXUAL =/= NATURALIST!

People, NATURIST =/= NATURALIST!

Gah! I hope you're not implying that Jane Goodall walks around fully naked.

Fuck words!

My bad. I always get the two confused...

by **Neo Bretonnia** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:07 pm

Sdaeriji wrote:
GAY DUDES CAN STILL FUCK GIRLS

But not with half the skill I can!

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:lol:

by **UCDF** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:09 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Norstal wrote:Air. God's name really is Yahweh.

What have YOU been smoking?

He also goes by Jehovah and Allah. Its hard to keep track of the guy since he has som many different names and 3 different personalities.

Jehovah is JESUS, not GOD.

by **Ceannairceach** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:10 pm

UCDF wrote:
The Corparation wrote:He also goes by Jehovah and Allah. Its hard to keep track of the guy since he has som many different names and 3 different personalities.

Jehovah is JESUS, not GOD.

But to some people, JESUS is GOD.

by **The Corparation** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:11 pm

UCDF wrote:
The Corparation wrote:He also goes by Jehovah and Allah. Its hard to keep track of the guy since he has som many different names and 3 different personalities.

Jehovah is JESUS, not GOD.

God=Jesus=Holy Spirit They're all manifestations of the same basic idea/thing/omnipotence

by **Wilgrove** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:11 pm

UCDF wrote:
The Corparation wrote:He also goes by Jehovah and Allah. Its hard to keep track of the guy since he has som many different names and 3 different personalities.

Jehovah is JESUS, not GOD.

If the Bible is to be believed, Jesus is God in the human flesh.

by **Geniasis** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:15 pm

UCDF wrote:Jehovah is JESUS, not GOD.

Jehovah is essentially an Anglicized version of YHWH, which is God the Father.

Jesus is, in the trinitarian view, God the Son.

by **UCDF** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:15 pm

Wilgrove wrote:
UCDF wrote:Jehovah is JESUS, not GOD.

If the Bible is to be believed, Jesus is God in the human flesh.

Jesus is the SON OF GOD.

The more God-like son.

by **Ceannairceach** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:16 pm

UCDF wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:
If the Bible is to be believed, Jesus is God in the human flesh.

Jesus is the SON OF GOD.

The more God-like son.

I'm an atheist and I know more about Christianity than you...

by **UCDF** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:16 pm

Geniasis wrote:
UCDF wrote:Jehovah is JESUS, not GOD.

Jehovah is essentially an Anglicized version of YHWH, which is God the Father.

Jesus is, in the trinitarian view, God the Son.

I'm a Christian, Baptist to be exact. So I don't care about the "Trinitarian" view.

by **Geniasis** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:17 pm

UCDF wrote:Jesus is the SON OF GOD.

The more God-like son.

Jehovah still doesn't refer to Jesus.

by **Ceannairceach** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:17 pm

UCDF wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Jehovah is essentially an Anglicized version of YHWH, which is God the Father.

Jesus is, in the trinitarian view, God the Son.

I'm a Christian, Baptist to be exact. So I don't care about the "Trinitarian" view.

I don't get the Trinity anyway... Doesn't that make Christianity Polytheistic?

by **Geniasis** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:18 pm

UCDF wrote:I'm a Christian, Baptist to be exact. So I don't care about the "Trinitarian" view.

I wasn't aware that Baptists didn't adhere to the Nicene Creed.

by **The Corparation** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:19 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
UCDF wrote:Jesus is the SON OF GOD.

The more God-like son.

I'm an atheist and I know more about Christianity than you...

This is one of the most interesting trends I've seen so far in life. Atheists know more about Christianize then anyone else. Which begs the question is that in pouring so much into all the little bits that don't make sense are they missing the big picture?

by **North Lehi** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:19 pm

Admittedly I haven't been reading the posts on here, I just started with the first post and I am now posting my reply but I for one am fully convinced being homosexual is NOT a choice. It is a trait which is abundant in the natural world, just as an example I work at a small zoo, which has less than 150 animals (a lot of them birds) and we have not one, but two pair of animals which are homosexual...

As far as it being a choice, therefore not worth of protection respect i.e. hospital visits and marriage, then the same thing should go for behaviors which are without a doubt a choice and learned lifestyle which we in the United States offer great deals of respects, benefits, and protections i.e. Religion

by **Geniasis** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:20 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:I don't get the Trinity anyway... Doesn't that make Christianity Pagan?

Not exactly. The idea is that it's a single God, expressed in three different persons.

These persons, while distinct from one another, are all still that same one being.

by **Ceannairceach** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:21 pm

Geniasis wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:I don't get the Trinity anyway... Doesn't that make Christianity Pagan?

Not exactly. The idea is that it's a single God, expressed in three different persons.

These persons, while distinct from one another, are all still that same one being.

So... Its like Zeus on some levels. He screws around via his ultra-dick(AKA Holy Spirit), and has demigods(AKA Jesus), but in this case, he still is the demigod.

by **Meowfoundland** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:21 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:Fuck words!
My bad. I always get the two confused...

It was a very, very scary thought.

by **Geniasis** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:23 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:So... Its like Zeus on some levels. He screws around via his ultra-dick(AKA Holy Spirit), and has demigods(AKA Jesus), but in this case, he still is the demigod.

No, that's not quite it either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

Perhaps the closest parallel to the idea that comes to the forefront of my mind, is that of the Hindu avatar.

by **UCUMAY** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:24 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Not exactly. The idea is that it's a single God, expressed in three different persons.

These persons, while distinct from one another, are all still that same one being.

So... Its like Zeus on some levels. He screws around via his ultra-dick(AKA Holy Spirit), and has demigods(AKA Jesus), but in this case, he still is the demigod.

Horny bastard

by **Neo Bretonnia** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:26 pm

UCDF wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Jehovah is essentially an Anglicized version of YHWH, which is God the Father.

Jesus is, in the trinitarian view, God the Son.

I'm a Christian, Baptist to be exact. So I don't care about the "Trinitarian" view.

... But isn't Baptist a Trinitarian denomination? :eyebrow:

Ceannairceach wrote:I don't get the Trinity anyway... Doesn't that make Christianity Polytheistic?

No, they have the whole Trinity thing as a way to avoid the label.

by **Caninope** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:29 pm

UCDF wrote:
Geniasis wrote:
Jehovah is essentially an Anglicized version of YHWH, which is God the Father.

Jesus is, in the trinitarian view, God the Son.

I'm a Christian, Baptist to be exact. So I don't care about the "Trinitarian" view.

Methinks you haven't studied your own denomination too much, coming from a Southern Baptist.

Baptists, Southern, Missionary, Free-will, etc. included, usually are "Trinitarian" and this is simple yet complicated to understand.

It basically boils down to this: there is the Holy Spirit, God the Father, and the Son of God. The are all manifestations of God, with God the Father being the "pre-eminent" of the three, so to speak. Jesus, the Son of God, left so that the Holy Spirit can roam the Earth (paraphrasing a little), implying that apparently, only one manifestation can "inhabit" the Earth at a time.

If you need to think about it on a more down to Earth idea, think of God as a family. The Father leads the family, with the Spirit and the Son both being a part of the family (God) but subject to the Father.

by **SaintB** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:29 pm

Wilgrove wrote:So in the thread about discrimination by a BnB against a homosexual couple, the topic of homosexuality being a choice came up. Rather than hijack the thread, I thought I'd create another thread here dealing with the topic. This has been one of those arguments that the social Conservative and right wing love to tout out from time to time. "Arrgghhh It's a choice, homosexuality is a choice!"

Oh really? Ok, so by that logic, Heterosexuality is also a choice. I mean if you can be choose to be gay, then you can choose to be straight. So, my question to those who believe that homosexuality is a choice is this. Why not make out with a person of the same gender? I mean if it's a choice, then you should have no problem with the simple act of making out with someone of your own gender.

As for the rest of us, what are your thoughts on this whole mythos about homosexuality being a choice?

It doesn't matter to me either way. If the right wants to call homosexuality a choice they still have no right to discriminate against it the way they do.

by **Unhealthy2** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:30 pm

Central Slavia wrote:In both cases something goes down the wrong hole.

I find it funny that a materialist atheist is ascribing teleology to things.

by **Caninope** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:30 pm

Geniasis wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:So... Its like Zeus on some levels. He screws around via his ultra-dick(AKA Holy Spirit), and has demigods(AKA Jesus), but in this case, he still is the demigod.

No, that's not quite it either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

Perhaps the closest parallel to the idea that comes to the forefront of my mind, is that of the Hindu avatar.

I like to think of them as a family, with the family being God.

The Father leads the family, with the Son and the Spirit obeying. Seems to have always worked well enough for me in the past.

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