It's a Choice.....Oh Really?

[Wilgrove]

So in the thread about discrimination by a BnB against a homosexual couple, the topic of homosexuality being a choice came up. Rather than hijack the thread, I thought I'd create another thread here dealing with the topic. This has been one of those arguments that the social Conservative and right wing love to tout out from time to time. "Arrgghhh It's a choice, homosexuality is a choice!"

Oh really? Ok, so by that logic, Heterosexuality is also a choice. I mean if you can be choose to be gay, then you can choose to be straight. So, my question to those who believe that homosexuality is a choice is this. Why not make out with a person of the same gender? I mean if it's a choice, then you should have no problem with the simple act of making out with someone of your own gender.

As for the rest of us, what are your thoughts on this whole mythos about homosexuality being a choice?

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

I mean if it's a choice, then you should have no problem with the simple act of making out with someone of your own gender.

I'm really not sure that follows

[Tokos]

There is not necessarily a dichotomy between choice and genetic tendency. After all, if Indians tend to like curry then that does not mean there is something in the Indian genepool wired to like curry, but neither does it mean all those people enjoying their curry chose to like it either.

[Wilgrove]

I mean if it's a choice, then you should have no problem with the simple act of making out with someone of your own gender.

I'm really not sure that follows

Why not? By the Social Conservative logic, if homosexuality is a choice, then any straight person, should have no problem, in choosing to engage in a sexual act with someone of the same gender.

[You-Gi-Owe]

So in the thread about discrimination by a BnB against a homosexual couple, the topic of homosexuality being a choice came up. Rather than hijack the thread, I thought I'd create another thread here dealing with the topic. This has been one of those arguments that the social Conservative and right wing love to tout out from time to time. "Arrgghhh It's a choice, homosexuality is a choice!"

Oh really? Ok, so by that logic, Heterosexuality is also a choice. I mean if you can be choose to be gay, then you can choose to be straight. So, my question to those who believe that homosexuality is a choice is this. Why not make out with a person of the same gender? I mean if it's a choice, then you should have no problem with the simple act of making out with someone of your own gender.

As for the rest of us, what are your thoughts on this whole mythos about homosexuality being a choice?

I've generally thought that it's a sub-conscious choice. I really doubt a genetic link. I think the human animal is a hedonist, at heart. Thoughts?

[Neo Art]

raping babies is a choice, but not one I particularly care to get involved with.

[Ceannairceach]

As for the rest of us, what are your thoughts on this whole mythos about homosexuality being a choice?

Simple answer to a (should be) simple question: It isn't a choice.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

Why not? By the Social Conservative logic, if homosexuality is a choice, then any straight person, should have no problem, in choosing to engage in a sexual act with someone of the same gender.

I don't think i've ever heard a 'Social Conservative' state that homosexuality being a choice means that heterosexuals are physically unable to make themselves engage in sexual acts with the same gender

[GothicLust]

So in the thread about discrimination by a BnB against a homosexual couple, the topic of homosexuality being a choice came up. Rather than hijack the thread, I thought I'd create another thread here dealing with the topic. This has been one of those arguments that the social Conservative and right wing love to tout out from time to time. "Arrgghhh It's a choice, homosexuality is a choice!"

Oh really? Ok, so by that logic, Heterosexuality is also a choice. I mean if you can be choose to be gay, then you can choose to be straight. So, my question to those who believe that homosexuality is a choice is this. Why not make out with a person of the same gender? I mean if it's a choice, then you should have no problem with the simple act of making out with someone of your own gender.

As for the rest of us, what are your thoughts on this whole mythos about homosexuality being a choice?

Is murdering someone a choice? Y/N?

If murdering is a choice then you should have no problem murdering someone.

*I am not equating homosexuality with murder, just poking holes in your logic.

[The Norwegian Blue]

It's total nonsense, but "why don't you make out with someone of your own gender?" isn't the best way to counter it, as it's eminently possible to choose to make out with someone you're not attracted to; actors do so all the time. Far better to challenge people to prove their ability to be attracted to their own gender. If sexuality were really a choice, everyone ought to be able to masturbate to orgasm while looking at pictures of anyone, since one could just choose to find them sexually attractive. So, for straight dudes who think sexuality is a choice - go wank to a picture of Ron Jeremy, and then we'll talk.

[Wilgrove]

It's total nonsense, but "why don't you make out with someone of your own gender?" isn't the best way to counter it, as it's eminently possible to choose to make out with someone you're not attracted to; actors do so all the time. Far better to challenge people to prove their ability to be attracted to their own gender. If sexuality were really a choice, everyone ought to be able to masturbate to orgasm while looking at pictures of anyone, since one could just choose to find them sexually attractive. So, for straight dudes who think sexuality is a choice - go wank to a picture of Ron Jeremy, and then we'll talk.

Hmmm good point. Ok, new challenge, if you think sexuality is a choice, then go wank to gay porn! That is NOT lesbian porn.

[The Bleeding Roses]

It's total nonsense, but "why don't you make out with someone of your own gender?" isn't the best way to counter it, as it's eminently possible to choose to make out with someone you're not attracted to; actors do so all the time. Far better to challenge people to prove their ability to be attracted to their own gender. If sexuality were really a choice, everyone ought to be able to masturbate to orgasm while looking at pictures of anyone, since one could just choose to find them sexually attractive. So, for straight dudes who think sexuality is a choice - go wank to a picture of Ron Jeremy, and then we'll talk.

Who hasn't jerked to a Ron picture?

[Neo Art]

I've generally thought that it's a sub-conscious choice. I really doubt a genetic link. I think the human animal is a hedonist, at heart. Thoughts?

That it's a dumb idea. If homosexuality was really just hedonism, why have a gender preference at all?

[Central Slavia]

It is normal to stuff a hamburger into your mouth.
Stuffing it into your ear would be a sign of a mental illness.
Not like a healthy person can't do the above, he just really really doesn't want to.

[Wilgrove]

It's total nonsense, but "why don't you make out with someone of your own gender?" isn't the best way to counter it, as it's eminently possible to choose to make out with someone you're not attracted to; actors do so all the time. Far better to challenge people to prove their ability to be attracted to their own gender. If sexuality were really a choice, everyone ought to be able to masturbate to orgasm while looking at pictures of anyone, since one could just choose to find them sexually attractive. So, for straight dudes who think sexuality is a choice - go wank to a picture of Ron Jeremy, and then we'll talk.

Who hasn't jerked to a Ron picture?

Me, don't exactly find him all that attractive.

[Ceannairceach]

It is normal to stuff a hamburger into your mouth.
Stuffing it into your ear would be a sign of a mental illness.
Not like a healthy person can't do the above, he just really really doesn't want to.

So... Your saying that homosexuality is a mental illness?

[Central Slavia]

It is normal to stuff a hamburger into your mouth.
Stuffing it into your ear would be a sign of a mental illness.
Not like a healthy person can't do the above, he just really really doesn't want to.

So... Your saying that homosexuality is a mental illness?

It is a problem of the sexual instinct, similar to zoophillia , necrophillia, to lesser extent fetishism, voyeurism, froteurism or exhibitionism

[Wilgrove]

So... Your saying that homosexuality is a mental illness?

It is a problem of the sexual instinct, similar to zoophillia , necrophillia, to lesser extent fetishism, voyeurism, froteurism or exhibitionism

Only problem with that, is that homosexuality was declared NOT a mental illness in the 70s, so the DSM-IV and beyond, does not list Homosexuality as a mental illness. Try again.

[GothicLust]

It is normal to stuff a hamburger into your mouth.
Stuffing it into your ear would be a sign of a mental illness.
Not like a healthy person can't do the above, he just really really doesn't want to.

Homosexuals by and large do not "do it in the ear".

Fail at understanding the mechanics of gay sex.

[Neo Art]

It is a problem of the sexual instinct, similar to zoophillia , necrophillia, to lesser extent fetishism, voyeurism, froteurism or exhibitionism

Only problem with that, is that homosexuality was declared NOT a mental illness in the 70s, so the DSM-IV and beyond, does not list Homosexuality as a mental illness. Try again.

You know, I'm a big fan of gay rights. I really am. I support it fully. And someone who is a supporter of gay rights, I must say, if that's the caliber of argument you use, I must ask, stop helping

[GothicLust]

It is a problem of the sexual instinct, similar to zoophillia , necrophillia, to lesser extent fetishism, voyeurism, froteurism or exhibitionism

Only problem with that, is that homosexuality was declared NOT a mental illness in the 70s, so the DSM-IV and beyond, does not list Homosexuality as a mental illness. Try again.

Is the DSM-IV the sole source of mental illness information?

[Neo Art]

It is normal to stuff a hamburger into your mouth.
Stuffing it into your ear would be a sign of a mental illness.
Not like a healthy person can't do the above, he just really really doesn't want to.

Homosexuals by and large do not "do it in the ear".

Fail at understanding the mechanics of gay sex.

the funny thing is, homsexuals engage in pretty much the exact same kind of sex that millions of heterosexual couples do.

[GothicLust]

Homosexuals by and large do not "do it in the ear".

Fail at understanding the mechanics of gay sex.

the funny thing is, homsexuals engage in pretty much the exact same kind of sex that millions of heterosexual couples do.

Yeah, but when they do it they're not allowed to donate blood.

[Wilgrove]

Only problem with that, is that homosexuality was declared NOT a mental illness in the 70s, so the DSM-IV and beyond, does not list Homosexuality as a mental illness. Try again.

Is the DSM-IV the sole source of mental illness information?

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is published by the American Psychiatric Association and provides a common language and standard criteria for the classification of mental disorders. It is used in the United States and in varying degrees around the world, by clinicians, researchers, psychiatric drug regulation agencies, health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and policy makers.

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Probably not, but it's probably the most accurate and the most credible. I'd trust the DSM on mental illness before I go to a website run by Bob the Redneck who think Libural and Them Queers are mental illness.

[Neo Art]

the funny thing is, homsexuals engage in pretty much the exact same kind of sex that millions of heterosexual couples do.

Yeah, but when they do it they're not allowed to donate blood.

Well let's not forget the big Red Cross gayness outbreak of 1937.