Classes of Welfare Recipients - How to deal with each

[Araraukar]

1.They cannot be "parasites" because they don't feed on taxpayers. They receive from the State - which is composed both by welfare recipients and taxpayers (and, remember, who is a taxpayer today could become a welfare recipient tomorrow). Is your hair a parasite of your blood? Are your nails parasites of your stomach?

Oh, this reminds me of one more thing... I pay 20% income tax from the welfare money I receive. How much do you pay from YOUR income?

[Ifreann]

Innocent human parasites. AKA vampires with souls. Velfare leeches vill sahck yoor blahd!

[Gift-of-god]

Welfare recipients do not fit the biological definition of a parasite.

Some are children, so at least a percentage must therefore be innocent.

All are human.

Ergo, some are innocent humans, none are parasites, and the rest are humans of varying degrees of innocence.

As to claims about welfare abuse, I will say this:

A lot of people claim that there are a lot of people abusing the system. I'm not sure this is true.

[The Tofu Islands]

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So, I think saving some families is worth it.

Which ones? The ones you're personally involved in?

But free healthcare on the other hand. Bullshit. Straight Bullshit.

Why? Given that UHC systems tend to cost less, and provide care to all people, rather than just to the rich, what is wrong with it?

[The Tofu Islands]

Some people, let's call them Paris Hilton, just inherit a lot of money that they have not earned. Would you suggest taking their money away in your zeal to make everybody work for every penny they have?

Or are you not really against parasites, you just want to stomp on everybody worse off than you just to make sure that they cannot catch you up?

No. This thread is a thinly-veiled attempt to create opposition for abortion (since the word "parasite" was mentioned in conjunction with "fetus"). Basically, KMA wants to get people to where they don't want to eradicate parasites, so they obviously wont support abortion without looking hypocritical.

[The Tofu Islands]

My friend. That is called Communism.

Communism is totally and utterly different. What was described there requires people to work for a living and, if they aren't capable of doing so, die. That is not communism. Communism involves the abolition of property, so everything is owned by the community as a whole ([i]not/i] the government, please note). Each person takes uses what they needs, and does what they can to help it (summed up as "from each, according to ability, to each, according to need").

[The Tofu Islands]

They exist in England^{[citation needed]}.

(Self-explanatory)

[Snafturi]

There are certainly lazy bastards on welfare, but I don't think that's the majority of welfare recipients. Unfortunately, the losers are the ones we see because they are so vocal of their welfare status. There will always be people that take advantage of the system, but that support is life saving for many people.

[No Names Left Damn It]

A lot of people claim that there are a lot of people abusing the system. I'm not sure this is true.

There are certainly some people abusing the welfare system. You'd be lying if you said otherwise.

[Gift-of-god]

A lot of people claim that there are a lot of people abusing the system. I'm not sure this is true.

There are certainly some people abusing the welfare system. You'd be lying if you said otherwise.

Read my post again, carefully, and then decide if I said that.

[No Names Left Damn It]

(Self-explanatory)

Oh come on. You really believe there are no dole spongers in England?

[The Tofu Islands]

Given the definition of a parasite at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parasite

1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2. a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.
3. (in ancient Greece) a person who received free meals in return for amusing or impudent conversation, flattering remarks, etc.

Can we then define Government welfare recipients as parasites on those who pay taxes to support them.
Can we also then justify thier extinction, based on the argument that the host has the right to rid itself of its parasites.

Or -

Are these merely human beings who need the help of the host to survive to a point in which they can be viable members of the community/society and no longer be parasitic.

And now, let's get to the OP.

By the biological definition (the one that was being referred to in the other thread) they aren't parasites. Some other definitions (such as #2 listed there) they are, however given that the removal of parasites (in the other thread) only referred to biological parasites, you don't get to just remove them.

And besides, the government (which is what is providing for them) has no rights, so the rights of the individual in question are all that are used.
Your last sentence makes it utterly and completely clear that your going to use this as a justification for anti-choice laws.

So, out of the two options provided: innocent humans is closer, I think.

[The Tofu Islands]

Oh come on. You really believe there are no dole spongers in England?

I'm not 100% sure whether there are or not, and seeing as you made a fairly definite claim, I'd like to know your source.

[Araraukar]

Some people, let's call them Paris Hilton, just inherit a lot of money that they have not earned. Would you suggest taking their money away in your zeal to make everybody work for every penny they have?

YES!

[Araraukar]

But if someone gets cradle-to-grave welfare, something is very wrong.

Unless it's a very short life.

[Yootopia]

Oh come on. You really believe there are no dole spongers in England?

I'm not 100% sure whether there are or not, and seeing as you made a fairly definite claim, I'd like to know your source.

Any council estate?

[Yootopia]

Some people, let's call them Paris Hilton, just inherit a lot of money that they have not earned. Would you suggest taking their money away in your zeal to make everybody work for every penny they have?

YES!

Who gets to keep the money you're snatching off people, and what will it be used for?

[The_pantless_hero]

Is it then justified for me, as a tax paying host, to eradicate the parasites?

Come on, I know you want to say it.

The only thing I want to say is across the street not down the road. (That's the right turn of phrase right?)

[Galloism]

Is it then justified for me, as a tax paying host, to eradicate the parasites?

Come on, I know you want to say it.

The only thing I want to say is across the street not down the road. (That's the right turn of phrase right?)

You've got that bass ackwards. It's down the road not across the street.

[The_pantless_hero]

Is it then justified for me, as a tax paying host, to eradicate the parasites?

Come on, I know you want to say it.

The only thing I want to say is across the street not down the road. (That's the right turn of phrase right?)

You've got that bass ackwards. It's down the road not across the street.

Regardless. Some one gets the gist of it.

[No Names Left Damn It]

I'm not 100% sure whether there are or not, and seeing as you made a fairly definite claim, I'd like to know your source.

Well, seeing as the government are showing adverts about it on TV, and mention that someone is arrested for welfare fraud every 30 seconds or something ridiculous like that, I'd say it obviously exists.

[Araraukar]

Who gets to keep the money you're snatching off people, and what will it be used for?

Give it to government to help them create more workplaces via government owned-and-ran corporations and institutions. (Don't know if they have any of those in USA... )

[Araraukar]

However, back to my original meaning...

OP, how much do you pay taxes from your income?

I pay 20% from the welfare money I get.

[The_pantless_hero]

I don't think 14 year olds pay taxes.

[No Names Left Damn It]

I don't think 14 year olds pay taxes.

I loled.