Classes of Welfare Recipients - How to deal with each

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Given the definition of a parasite at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parasite

1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2. a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.
3. (in ancient Greece) a person who received free meals in return for amusing or impudent conversation, flattering remarks, etc.

Can we then define Government welfare recipients as parasites on those who pay taxes to support them.
Can we also then justify thier extinction, based on the argument that the host has the right to rid itself of its parasites.

Or -

Are these merely human beings who need the help of the host to survive to a point in which they can be viable members of the community/society and no longer be parasitic.

[No Names Left Damn It]

Some are parasites, i.e the ones who don't plan to get a job anytime in the future, others just need the help for a while whilst they get back on their feet.

[United Russian State]

Depends. Some can only blame themselves for their standing in socitey and do not do anything about it. But xpect others to pay for them. I call thsese people parasites.

[Heinleinites]

It's ironic you having a pirate flag for your avatar, as surviving documents detailing 'pirate codes' often indicate that provisions were made in the form of monetary support for members of the crew who became disabled or injured while serving on the ship's crew. Granted, it's a long way from the current welfare system, but still not something you saw a lot of in the 17th century.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Is it then justified for me, as a tax paying host, to eradicate the parasites?

Come on, I know you want to say it.

[The Requiem of Shadow]

It's ironic you having a pirate flag for your avatar, as surviving documents detailing 'pirate codes' often indicate that provisions were made in the form of monetary support for members of the crew who became disabled or injured while serving on the ship's crew. Granted, it's a long way from the current welfare system, but still not something you saw a lot of in the 17th century.

I thought they just paid according to the body part you lost.

[No Names Left Damn It]

Is it then justified for me, as a tax paying host, to eradicate the parasites?

No, seeing as they have thoughts, feelings, are self-aware human beings, they can feel pain etc.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

It's ironic you having a pirate flag for your avatar, as surviving documents detailing 'pirate codes' often indicate that provisions were made in the form of monetary support for members of the crew who became disabled or injured while serving on the ship's crew. Granted, it's a long way from the current welfare system, but still not something you saw a lot of in the 17th century.

That was payment for services RENDERED, not for services UNEARNED.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Is it then justified for me, as a tax paying host, to eradicate the parasites?

No, seeing as they have thoughts, feelings, are self-aware human beings, they can feel pain etc.

Wait, isn't it logical to say that the host can do whatever they want with the parasite? And that the parasite's rights can't interfere with the hosts rights?

[No Names Left Damn It]

Wait, isn't it logical to say that the host can do whatever they want with the parasite? And that the parasite's rights can't interfere with the hosts rights?

Not if the parasite is capable of feeling pain, stopping being a parasite etc.

[Risottia]

1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
2. a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.

1.They cannot be "parasites" because they don't feed on taxpayers. They receive from the State - which is composed both by welfare recipients and taxpayers (and, remember, who is a taxpayer today could become a welfare recipient tomorrow). Is your hair a parasite of your blood? Are your nails parasites of your stomach?

2.If welfare recipients are parasites, then companies who receive governmental aid are parasites too. With the slight difference that
a)welfare recipients are humans, companies are organisations
b)companies suck a lot more from the government's coffers (direct financial aid, tax discounts, tax elusion, etc) than welfare recipients do
c)companies who fired a lot of people (transforming them into welfare recipients) usually have CEOs who get huge bonuses, lose the investors' money, and receive governmental aid.

Even if welfare recipients were to be considered parasites, they wouldn't be the worst ones.

Are these merely human beings who need the help of the host to survive to a point in which they can be viable members of the community/society and no longer be parasitic.

^this^.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Wait, isn't it logical to say that the host can do whatever they want with the parasite? And that the parasite's rights can't interfere with the hosts rights?

Not if the parasite is capable of feeling pain, stopping being a parasite etc.

Is that your opinion?

If it is capable of feeling pain and capable of stopping being a parasite, we are not justified in eradicating it?

[Molested Sock]

Some are parasites, i.e the ones who don't plan to get a job anytime in the future, others just need the help for a while whilst they get back on their feet.

I concur.

[Heinleinites]

I thought they just paid according to the body part you lost.

I don't know, I'd consider losing a body part as being 'disabled or injured', wouldn't you?

That was payment for services RENDERED, not for services UNEARNED.

I thought you might say that, which is why I threw this in:

Granted, it's a long way from the current welfare system, but still not something you saw a lot of in the 17th century.

I don't think it's a terrible stretch to consider that a rudimentary welfare system.

[No Names Left Damn It]

Is that your opinion?

If it is capable of feeling pain and capable of stopping being a parasite, we are not justified in eradicating it?

If they are capable of getting a job, are self-aware, conscious, thinking, feeling human beings, then no.

[Ferretia Prime]

I work 2 Jobs, and work about 50 hours a week.

I can't afford to move out of my Parent's House.

I'm 19.

I've seen some social Scrounger get pregnant and just get a house out of the Blue from the counsil when, me, the Tax paying member of Society, paying all bills due, gets denied because apparently there are none. Oh and this Social Scrounger comes from a family that's not worked a day in there lifes, father claims faulse medical benifits, brothers clame job seekers allowance when they never leave their home, and she, hereself, is 15 and up the duff.

There are several types of Social Benifiters in my mind.

1. Those who, forwhatever reason, have suffered Medical injuries, fair enough, BUT suffered them in such a way that they CANNOT work - Difference between CANNOT and WILL NOT.

2. People loosing their Jobs due to economic Climax, very common. These people will almost certainly look for further employment as most people who work cannot stand being without a job

3. Scroungers - people who have no plans on working or furthering themselves and want want want expecting that their needs go above the rest of Society

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Is that your opinion?

If it is capable of feeling pain and capable of stopping being a parasite, we are not justified in eradicating it?

If they are capable of getting a job, are self-aware, conscious, thinking, feeling human beings, then no.

So people in comas in hospitals are OK to eradicate?

[The Requiem of Shadow]

I thought they just paid according to the body part you lost.

I don't know, I'd consider losing a body part as being 'disabled or injured', wouldn't you?

No, the captain paid a certain amount for each specific body part you lost, so it's not really "support", it's more of a here's-your-money-sorry-your-leg-got-blown-off-now-STFU-and-stop-whining-and-get-a-pegleg payment.

[Kandarin]

Unfortunately, life isn't so simple as to separate people into hard workers and lazy bums who could work but won't. Life throws a lot of nasty things at us and there are a lot of reasons why people may be unable to support themselves. Social safety nets are there to help people who can't help themselves, for bootstraps only pull so far. Later, they can get jobs and pay taxes back into the system that supported them. This is how it usually goes. Of course, it's not too hard to find examples of people who abuse that kind of support (or try to) but that's no reason to slander a system which is vital to a caring society and that a whole lot of us will find ourselves passing through at some point, however temporarily.

Enforcement of the system to weed out the bad cases is a Good Thing, but applying stereotypes to welfare recipients doesn't help the process any since said stereotypes so rarely have anything in common with the truth.

[Heinleinites]

No, the captain paid a certain amount for each specific body part you lost, so it's not really "support", it's more of a here's-your-money-sorry-your-leg-got-blown-off-now-STFU-and-stop-whining-and-get-a-pegleg payment.

The point is that it was a rudimentary social safety net at a time when such a thing was not hardly done at all, much less as a "government policy", inasmuch as you could call a "pirate code" a governmental policy. And that for someone to use a pirate flag as an avatar while complaining about social safety nets is ironic.

[Kandarin]

Keep in mind that welfare and policies thereof are not a monolithic entity. How welfare is paid and to whom varies a lot from country to country, state to state, and even from city to city. There are plenty of horror stories, many of them no doubt genuine, about municipalities with a very easily abused welfare system. I guarantee you that some are going to get posted in this thread. There are also municipalities with much more sensible systems, and no shortage of ones with policies that are equally atrocious as the aforementioned horror stories but the other way around. So concerned are some with preventing abuse that they make getting aid nigh-impossible for those with genuine need.

[Riveara]

You want to know something funny about the welfare people. When my mom was one welfare, she decided to get a good job in nursing, And when the welfare office heard about that they told her that she wasn't going to finish school and to just not even try. And now she is a nurse.

[Czechomany]

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[West Failure]

Some people, let's call them Paris Hilton, just inherit a lot of money that they have not earned. Would you suggest taking their money away in your zeal to make everybody work for every penny they have?

Or are you not really against parasites, you just want to stomp on everybody worse off than you just to make sure that they cannot catch you up?

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Some people, let's call them Paris Hilton, just inherit a lot of money that they have not earned. Would you suggest taking their money away in your zeal to make everybody work for every penny they have?

Or are you not really against parasites, you just want to stomp on everybody worse off than you just to make sure that they cannot catch you up?

Lemme give you a hint Sparky. Look around at the other threads on this channel, come back here, and talk to me some more.