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Sexist Anglican Bishops convert to Catholicism

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:22 pm
by Ifreann
Ex-Anglican bishops ordained as Catholics

Three former Anglican bishops, unhappy with the ordination of women, have been ordained as Roman Catholic priests at Westminster Cathedral.

Their ordination signals the inauguration of a special section of the Catholic Church for such Anglicans.

Keith Newton, Andrew Burnham and John Broadhurst will take up roles in the section known as the Ordinariate.
Father Newton has been chosen as leader of what is to be known as the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham.

The BBC's religious affairs correspondent Robert Pigott said this was a reference to a shrine in Norfolk, which is visited by both Anglicans and Catholics.

Other traditionalist Anglican clergy have spoken of their sadness and anger about the bishops' conversion.

Father Burnham, former bishop of Ebbsfleet, along with fellow "flying bishops" Father Newton - ex-bishop of Richborough - and Father Broadhurst - ex-bishop of Fulham - had all formerly supervised Church of England parishes that had opted out of contact with women priests.

Father Newton has estimated that about 50 more Anglican clergy might join the Roman Catholic church in the coming months - along with members of their congregations.

The Most Rev Vincent Nichols, leader of Catholics in England and Wales, carried out the ordination ceremony.

He acknowledged that the path the three had taken had involved "some sad parting of friends".

He also said the process of joining had involved "painful misunderstandings, conflict and uncertainty".

He added: "Many ordinations have taken place in this cathedral during the 100 years of its history. But none quite like this."

Archbishop Nichols said this latest ordination ceremony was "a unique occasion marking a new step in the life and history of the Catholic Church".

Like some other traditionalist clergy on the Catholic wing of the Church of England, the three former Anglican bishops opposed the introduction of women bishops, and do not believe sufficient provision was being made for traditionalists to avoid coming under the jurisdiction of women.

The Vatican will allow them to maintain a distinct religious identity and spiritual heritage within the Ordinariate.

'Basic principle'

Other Anglican traditionalists have warned that the bishops' departure will jeopardise the future of the Church of England as a broad Church able to balance its Protestant and Catholic traditions.

The former Bishop of Ballarat in Australia, the Right Reverend David Silk, has previously announced that he will also be joining the Roman Catholic Church.

Referring to Saturday's ceremony, he said: "The truth is the Church of England has decided to take its cue from the society it lives in, instead of its cue from Christ and carry the gospel that he preached to them - as we would see it.

"So, it may have to serve the whole community, but it doesn't have to tell the community what everybody wants to hear. Sometimes you've got to stick out for a basic principle and say, well, I'm sorry, that's the truth as I see it."

A spokesman from the Church of England declined to comment specifically on Saturday's ordinations but said the Church "wished anyone well who is on a journey of faith, as all of us are".

When asked if the new Ordinariate could result in large numbers of Anglican clergy and parishioners switching, he said: "The truth is, we just don't know how large those figures will be, or how small they will be.

"We have no indication they will be significant, but clearly we will be watching very closely to see."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12197985
I'm actually kind of amused at this. In a fit of sexist terror("Women might be in charge of men? OH NOES!") three Anglican bishops have switched teams. Pope Benedict is more than happy to have them, creating a special 'parish' for them. I don't think it's mentioned in the Beeb article above, but I think SkyNews said that these bishops are married, a strict no-no for Catholic priests.

Someone put on the popcorn, this should be fun to watch.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:29 pm
by Dakini
So do these guys have to get divorced, or since that's also a sin are they just screwed?

Not that I mind the idea of them just being screwed, it's kinda awesome.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:31 pm
by Ashmoria
Dakini wrote:So do these guys have to get divorced, or since that's also a sin are they just screwed?

Not that I mind the idea of them just being screwed, it's kinda awesome.

no

married epsicopal priests can convert and both remain priests and remain married.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:32 pm
by Dakini
Ashmoria wrote:
Dakini wrote:So do these guys have to get divorced, or since that's also a sin are they just screwed?

Not that I mind the idea of them just being screwed, it's kinda awesome.

no

married epsicopal priests can convert and both remain priests and remain married.

Boo.

So they haven't done anything other than highlight their extreme sexism for the entire world to see?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:34 pm
by Ifreann
Dakini wrote:So do these guys have to get divorced, or since that's also a sin are they just screwed?

I kinda hope the Pope let's them stay married, so him or some cardinal has to explain why these priests are allowed to be married but all the other one's have to stay celibate.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:35 pm
by Mike the Progressive
It's not sexist and I don't disagree with them. If I still believed in God and were a practicing Catholic, I'd have left the church if they began ordaining women too.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:35 pm
by I V Stalin
Ifreann wrote:
Dakini wrote:So do these guys have to get divorced, or since that's also a sin are they just screwed?

I kinda hope the Pope let's them stay married, so him or some cardinal has to explain why these priests are allowed to be married but all the other one's have to stay celibate.

Or Catholic priests could convert to Anglicanism, marry, then convert back?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:36 pm
by Ashmoria
Dakini wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:no

married epsicopal priests can convert and both remain priests and remain married.

Boo.

So they haven't done anything other than highlight their extreme sexism for the entire world to see?


thats pretty much it.

which makes them a little creepy but ... i suppose there must be roman catholic priests who make the conversion to the anglican church so that they can get married.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:36 pm
by Ifreann
Dakini wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:no

married epsicopal priests can convert and both remain priests and remain married.

Boo.

So they haven't done anything other than highlight their extreme sexism for the entire world to see?

And make the Catholic Church the alternative of choice for other sexist Anglican clergymen.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:36 pm
by Nanatsu no Tsuki
Dakini wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:no

married epsicopal priests can convert and both remain priests and remain married.

Boo.

So they haven't done anything other than highlight their extreme sexism for the entire world to see?


What else did you expect, Dakini?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:36 pm
by Ashmoria
Ifreann wrote:
Dakini wrote:Boo.

So they haven't done anything other than highlight their extreme sexism for the entire world to see?

And make the Catholic Church the alternative of choice for other sexist Anglican clergymen.


and perhaps for the homophobic anglicans too.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:37 pm
by Ifreann
Mike the Progressive wrote:It's not sexist

Yes it is.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:40 pm
by The Bleeding Roses
Whats sexist about not wishing to have a female priest?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:40 pm
by Mike the Progressive
Ifreann wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:It's not sexist

Yes it is.


Well I did create the Sexist League in F7, so fuck it, I'm here, I'm queer (as in strange or in a contradiction to the majority of NSG), get use to it! Long Live Sexism!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:41 pm
by Mike the Progressive
The Bleeding Roses wrote:Whats sexist about not wishing to have a female priest?


Seriously, too many people who lay judgment on the church, really don't understand the church. Instead they have a distorted image of the church from the middle ages.....

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:41 pm
by Ashmoria
The Bleeding Roses wrote:Whats sexist about not wishing to have a female priest?

the part where you dont want a female priest.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:44 pm
by The Bleeding Roses
Ashmoria wrote:
The Bleeding Roses wrote:Whats sexist about not wishing to have a female priest?

the part where you dont want a female priest.

Females can be a prioress or a nun, males can't.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:44 pm
by Ifreann
The Bleeding Roses wrote:Whats sexist about not wishing to have a female priest?

What's sexist from barring women from something for no good reason? I would have thought that would be obvious.


Mike the Progressive wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes it is.


Well I did create the Sexist League in F7, so fuck it, I'm here, I'm queer (as in strange or in a contradiction to the majority of NSG), get use to it! Long Live Sexism!

Shocking turn of events.


The Bleeding Roses wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:the part where you dont want a female priest.

Females can be a prioress or a nun, males can't.

Which is equally objectionable.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:46 pm
by Nanatsu no Tsuki
The Bleeding Roses wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:the part where you dont want a female priest.

Females can be a prioress or a nun, males can't.

Males can be monks and abbots, females can't. These are the male equivalent of nuns and prioresses. However females can't be priests. That is sexist.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:46 pm
by Ashmoria
The Bleeding Roses wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:the part where you dont want a female priest.

Females can be a prioress or a nun, males can't.

prioress and nun are gender specific names. the male equivalent is prior and brother.

and even if they werent what does that have to do with the discussion at hand?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:47 pm
by Motuka
Man, this really says something about the decline of religious faith. It's kinda sad, or maybe funny.

"I pledge my life in service to the Church of England and to worship the Lord our G- WTF, a woman! Screw this, I'll go find a different religion."

Of course, this sort of implies there was ever a point at which matters were different....

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:50 pm
by Fartsniffage
The Bleeding Roses wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:the part where you dont want a female priest.

Females can be a prioress or a nun, males can't.


Private Baldrick: You know my dad was a nun.
Captain Blackadder: No he wasn't.
Private Baldrick: He was too, sir. Cause whenever he was up in court and the judge asked "occupation", he'd say "none".

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:51 pm
by New Manvir
They better watch out for zombie Henry VIII. He'll lay the smackdown on them.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:53 pm
by Wamitoria
New Manvir wrote:They better watch out for zombie Henry VIII.

And he better watch out for his headless zombie wives.

ON-topic: If I was Anglican, I would be offended by this. But, since I'm not, I couldn't care less.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:10 pm
by Italiani a Roma
If they want to follow the old traditions of Christianity, then I welcome them into the Catholic church. May Gold bless all people.