Opinion on socialism?

[Volnotova]

Death to Imperialism, Death to Stupidity namely big corporation. I LOVE YOU SMALL ENTERPRISE!!!!! RISE OF SOCIALISM!

I think you mean collectivism and not small enterprise.

Also, instead of ranting about how much you hate capitalism I suggest you do something about it and start your own worker cooperative.

[Qatarab]

Socialist-Moderate. I actually believe that too much capitalism tends to cause a nation to become somewhat like a Corporatocracy. The corporations tend to be influencing the government more and kind of screwing the people over.

[New Acardia]

Not only is it the quickest way to reduce a nation to poverty known to man, it is also potentially one of the most tyrannical forms of government as by the very nature of the ideology it is forced to violate many fundamental rights, distort interpersonal relations and deny many of the basic drives and behaviours that make us human.

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[Volnotova]

Not only is it the quickest way to reduce a nation to poverty known to man, it is also potentially one of the most tyrannical forms of government...

My pardon? Socialism seeks to create a stateless egalitarean society, how is that tyrannical?

...as by the very nature of the ideology it is forced to violate many fundamental rights...

Guess what? There is no such thing as fundemental human rights

Its just a bunch of crap a few people made up, it not even a legal code.

"You have the right to live, you do not have the right to be killed, blah blah"

Guess what? That sort of wishful thinking is nothing but a bunch nonsense. Why can I kill people because of their race, sex, religion, origin, skin colour, ect., rape babies, steal, commit genocide and ect. when people claim that I cannot do that because of "fundemental" human rights?

Because its just a bunch of bullshit made up by humans to make themselfs feel more exceptional.

Let go of these imaginary restrains; this delusion. This kind of wishful thinking belongs in the same realm as the Flat Earth and Women created out of ribs.

..., distort interpersonal relations and deny many of the basic drives and behaviours that make us human.

Sorry, are you saying cooperation is not a human thing?

[New Manvir]

I'm still kinda on the fence about Socialism. I'm definitely a leftist and would vote for Socialist parties to institute more leftist policies, but I don't completely support the whole "workers ownership over the means of production" thing. I do think of Communism (at least anarcho-communism) as a pretty noble goal though.

[Tagmatium]

I'm definately left-wing, but probably not a true socialist.

It'd be nice if it actually worked, but then I suspect that's true of basically every ideology out there. Most of them get ruined by the fact the people tend to be shitbags.

[New Acardia]

Not only is it the quickest way to reduce a nation to poverty known to man, it is also potentially one of the most tyrannical forms of government...

My pardon? Socialism seeks to create a stateless egalitarean society, how is that tyrannical?

...as by the very nature of the ideology it is forced to violate many fundamental rights...

Guess what? There is no such thing as fundemental human rights

Its just a bunch of crap a few people made up, it not even a legal code.

"You have the right to live, you do not have the right to be killed, blah blah"

Guess what? That sort of wishful thinking is nothing but a bunch nonsense. Why can I kill people because of their race, sex, religion, origin, skin colour, ect., rape babies, steal, commit genocide and ect. when people claim that I cannot do that because of "fundemental" human rights?

Because its just a bunch of bullshit made up by humans to make themselfs feel more exceptional.

Let go of these imaginary restrains; this delusion. This kind of wishful thinking belongs in the same realm as the Flat Earth and Women created out of ribs.

..., distort interpersonal relations and deny many of the basic drives and behaviours that make us human.

Sorry, are you saying cooperation is not a human thing?

Because with socialism tries to have equal out comes. Ill regardless weather one works or not as well as punishes positive behaviors and rewards negative behaviors. So the only way it can work is by tyranny.

[Jakaragua]

Because with socialism tries to have equal out comes. Ill regardless weather one works or not as well as punishes positive behaviors and rewards negative behaviors. So the only way it can work is by tyranny.

What positive behaviours? Defending property rights and all that pro-exploitive drivel?

[SaintB]

I support the socialization of necessary services and defense (including the production of all weapons) but that's as far as I go.

[Miklesia]

Socialism in moderation is a good thing. Private enterprise is more efficient in most areas, but health care, at least some roads, the military, most education, and some unemployment benefits, etc. should be government-run. I say "health care" because private insurance providers charge extortionate rates for very limited coverage and won't help you if you have a pre-existing condition, which could be almost anything. At least some unemployment benefits are necessary to hold a person over until they find a job.

[Threlizdun]

I'm personally an anarcho-syndicalist. I think state socialism could work for a little while, but it would eventually be doomed for failure if we didn't make the transition to true communism soon. Most of my philosophy comes from Noam Chomsky. These are my views on the topic.

The Spanish Anarchists came rather close before, and there are numerous communes still in existence today. There are also corporations that are run entirely by the workers and has them all paid equally. I personally believe that if we continue to slowly move society to the left and make it more libertarian, then we will eventually reach the point were we can simply dissolve the government and establish a society with many anarcho-syndicalist communes. In this society, everyone is provided what they need and no one can slack off and abuse the system, because it would be locally based and your neighbors would be deciding what you need and how hard you can work. In this society, you would share what you produce with everyone else. It would work like this: You give what you produce to your neighbor, making them stronger and giving them extra supplies to increase productivity. This would allow them to produce even more than they normally would. They would then give even more of their supplies to you than what you gave to them, thus making your stronger and able to produce more. You then produce even more than you previously did, and share again. The cycle continues in a constantly progressive manner. People would eventually develope the mindset that they can only advance in society if they help others. Greed would only be satisfied by helping others succeed. This society does not go against the desire for personal gain all humans have. People would eventually learn from this, and would begin to think this way all the time. I believe you would eventually need to abandon this system however, as it would eventually lead to neotribalism, as you would now think of the community as most important, and the needs of other communities may not be registered anymore. You would need to slowly sift to nation-wide free market socialism with participatory economics and a gift economy. Once the switch is made, you should basically be done. You have proven a true communist utopia is possible. It would be very hard to get there, but once you do, why would you want to leave? Others should see your nation as an inspiration, and will start to move towards such as society itself. It is vital that you do not fight to spread communism. Fighting for it would only be acceptable if you were attacked or if a genocide or something else was occurring that prevented the people from freeing themselves. You cannot use violence to spread the ideology, or even push for it too heavily on a diplomatic scale, because forcing yourself on another group of people is doomed to end in a totalitarian grip on those people. Then everything would have failed. It may take a very long time for every nation to reach this stage, centuries perhaps, but when they do, you can finally remove all the previous concepts of nations, and form into one utopian world.

[New Acardia]

Because with socialism tries to have equal out comes. Ill regardless weather one works or not as well as punishes positive behaviors and rewards negative behaviors. So the only way it can work is by tyranny.

What positive behaviours? Defending property rights and all that pro-exploitive drivel?

Going to work,saving one's money for the future and taking responsibility for one's own actions and life. Starting a business if you wish.

[Jakaragua]

What positive behaviours? Defending property rights and all that pro-exploitive drivel?

Going to work,saving one's money for the future and taking responsibility for one's own actions and life.

Okay, when has that happened in any Socialist state?

Work is necessary in Socialism, Marxism see's labour as what makes the world go round and shit.

[New Acardia]

Going to work,saving one's money for the future and taking responsibility for one's own actions and life.

Okay, when has that happened in any Socialist state?

Work is necessary in Socialism, Marxism see's labour as what makes the world go round and shit.

Give me a state where this has not happened. But the lazy get rewarded while the hard worker gets dissed because they see the lazy get the same as them selves.

[Jakaragua]

Okay, when has that happened in any Socialist state?

Work is necessary in Socialism, Marxism see's labour as what makes the world go round and shit.

Give me a state where this has not happened. But the lazy get rewarded while the hard worker gets dissed because they see the lazy get the same as them selves.

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his work"... People won't be rewarded for being lazy, they'll actually be genuinely rewarded for working harder.

[Greater Tezdrian]

Give me a state where this has not happened. But the lazy get rewarded while the hard worker gets dissed because they see the lazy get the same as them selves.

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his work"... People won't be rewarded for being lazy, they'll actually be genuinely rewarded for working harder.

Run, capitalists! Jakaragua has arrived.

[Caninope]

My opinion is that capitalism is better.

[Jakaragua]

"from each according to his ability, to each according to his work"... People won't be rewarded for being lazy, they'll actually be genuinely rewarded for working harder.

Run, capitalists! Jakaragua has arrived.

With my little red book and Kalashnikov, bow down profit-makers.

[Kreanoltha]

Nasty bollocks. Its core philosophy, giving all property and monetary assets to the government or central governing body whatever that may be, violates the basic rights of man. We'd all be better off if this nasty idea had never been invented.

[New Acardia]

Run, capitalists! Jakaragua has arrived.

With my little red book and Kalashnikov, bow down profit-makers.

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That is not how it works in the real world.( Marx was just a lazy intellectual who let his children starve.) And you will bring poverty to every one.

[Jakaragua]

With my little red book and Kalashnikov, bow down profit-makers.

t
That is not how it works in the real world.( Marx was just a lazy intellectual who let his children starve.) And you will bring poverty to every one.

Poverty could be all but gone if we understand many of the major factors causing poverty in third world countries to be related to the fact that bringing medicine, sanitation, clean drinking water and affordable housing to these areas to be simply not profitable under a capitalist system.

[New Acardia]

t
That is not how it works in the real world.( Marx was just a lazy intellectual who let his children starve.) And you will bring poverty to every one.

Poverty could be all but gone if we understand many of the major factors causing poverty in third world countries to be related to the fact that bringing medicine, sanitation, clean drinking water and affordable housing to these areas to be simply not profitable under a capitalist system.

It is the warlords who wear fancy uniforms and have fancy titles who run those countries( and were put in to power by socialist and/or the communist)who won't let those problems be solved.

[Jakaragua]

Poverty could be all but gone if we understand many of the major factors causing poverty in third world countries to be related to the fact that bringing medicine, sanitation, clean drinking water and affordable housing to these areas to be simply not profitable under a capitalist system.

It is the warlords who wear fancy uniforms and have fancy titles who run those countries( and were put in to power by socialist and/or the communist)who won't let those problems be solved.

Wat? Why don't you look at Cuba's poverty levels: 4.1%,compared to the US's 12%

Also, warlords? Which supposed "Socialist" warlords? So vague, you're not helping me here.

[Meryuma]

Anarchistic socialism rocks, state socialism sucks.

Nasty bollocks. Its core philosophy, giving all property and monetary assets to the government or central governing body whatever that may be, violates the basic rights of man. We'd all be better off if this nasty idea had never been invented.

That's state socialism/a command economy, not socialism qua socialism.

[North Germania]

Socialism is a superior form of government to democracy, and especially democracy based on capitalism. In a democratic system, popular belief becomes more powerful than actual fact; conjecture becomes as important as legitimate truth. Despite democracy's claims that it represents the people, it clearly doesn't. Democracy represents the politician in power at a given moment. A government is supposed to exist to serve the people, not demand that the people serve it. Communism demands the people serve it, democracy demands the people serve it in a subtler way, and totalitarianism demands the people serve it the same as communism. A properly applied socialist system takes care of everyone.