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Postby The Bleeding Roses » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:59 pm

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The Bleeding Roses wrote:You say that as if the guy is in his mid 50s... He is at most 4 years separated from High School. I don't know about you, but I regularly see people I know from high school and it has been longer than that for me.

Your average high-school-er has no clue what liberalism actually is. They could have easily confused it with libertarianism or conservatism for that matter.

Guess you missed the part that the person that made the observation... graduated from high school years ago.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:01 am

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Still having trouble.

Problem is, I think I'm thinking about the potential hilarity of my political candidates in the other thread.

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A militant buddist monk who set himself on fire to protest the Viet Nam war

Self-Immolation is Militant? In what universe?
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Postby Ta suil » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:01 am

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Panzerjaeger wrote:Most Japanese are Shinto not Buddhist.


The kamikaze were following a militant Zen Buddhist philosophy.

The Japanese Zen establishment—including the Sōtō sect, the major branches of Rinzai, and several renowned teachers— has been criticized for its involvement in Japanese militarism and nationalism during World War II and the preceding period. A notable work on this subject was Zen at War (1998) by Brian Victoria, an American-born Sōtō priest. At the same time, however, one must be aware that this involvement was by no means limited to the Zen school: all orthodox Japanese schools of Buddhism supported the militarist state. What may be most striking, though, as Victoria has argued, is that many Zen masters known for their post-war internationalism and promotion of "world peace" were open nationalists in the inter-war years.[18] And some of them, like Haku'un Yasutani, the founder of the Sanbo Kyodan School, even voiced their anti-semitic and nationalistic opinions after World War II.

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Also, it is possible to be both Shinto and Buddhist at the same time. They aren't incompatible.


well buddah would probably say that as soon as one engages in or promotes violence, one ceases to be enlightened/buddah. . . just thought i'd confuse things more :D
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:02 am

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Greater American Union wrote:Your average high-school-er has no clue what liberalism actually is. They could have easily confused it with libertarianism or conservatism for that matter.

Guess you missed the part that the person that made the observation... graduated from high school years ago.

Which can't even be confirmed. People claim to know killers all the time it is part of a psychological trend for those who seek attention and fame. I would take that information with a massive hill of salt.
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Postby Greater American Union » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:02 am

The Bleeding Roses wrote:
Greater American Union wrote:Your average high-school-er has no clue what liberalism actually is. They could have easily confused it with libertarianism or conservatism for that matter.

Guess you missed the part that the person that made the observation... graduated from high school years ago.

What they remembered was from high-school. As a loner, I doubt he has had repeated contact with his acquaintances over the past 4 years.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:03 am

The Bleeding Roses wrote:
Greater American Union wrote:Your average high-school-er has no clue what liberalism actually is. They could have easily confused it with libertarianism or conservatism for that matter.

Guess you missed the part that the person that made the observation... graduated from high school years ago.


There are still adults who have no clue about liberalism.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:03 am

The Bleeding Roses wrote:
Greater American Union wrote:Your average high-school-er has no clue what liberalism actually is. They could have easily confused it with libertarianism or conservatism for that matter.

Guess you missed the part that the person that made the observation... graduated from high school years ago.

This part?

The NY Times wrote:“As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy,” the former classmate, Caitie Parker, wrote in a series of Twitter feeds Saturday. “I haven’t seen him since ’07 though. He became very reclusive.”

“He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in ’07, asked her a question & he told me she was ‘stupid & unintelligent,’ ” she wrote.


I guess three is some amount of "years ago."
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:03 am

Greater American Union wrote:
The Bleeding Roses wrote:Guess you missed the part that the person that made the observation... graduated from high school years ago.

What they remembered was from high-school. As a loner, I doubt he has had repeated contact with his acquaintances over the past 4 years.

Hell I doubt he talked to much of anyone about political views if he was a loner.
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Postby New Manvir » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:05 am

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He listed a book called "Siddartha" as a favourite. Clearly he was an extreme militant Buddhist terrorist.

A militant Buddhist is hard for me to picture, honestly.


That's why their so dangerous. Imagine the Dalai Lama mixed together with Osama Bin Laden and Jet Li. Absolutely frightening.
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Postby Xsyne » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:05 am

And all of this is completely irrelevant seeing as we already know what his political views are from his own mouth.
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Postby Unhealthy2 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:07 am

Ta suil wrote:well buddah would probably say that as soon as one engages in or promotes violence, one ceases to be enlightened/buddah. . . just thought i'd confuse things more :D


And Jesus told people to sell all their possessions, yet predominantly Christian countries have the wealthiest people on earth. People are hypocrites, what a shock.
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Postby Greater American Union » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:07 am

Xsyne wrote:And all of this is completely irrelevant seeing as we already know what his political views are from his own mouth.

Yes, but we've already delved into, "His politics are far-right because his positions are similar." vs. "He's an extreme liberal because some girl said so."
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Postby New Manvir » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:08 am

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the ONE person who's come out and said he was liberal, knew him in HIGH SCHOOL and if he is a Libertarian, that would make him very Socially Liberal but not a lefty, alex jones can often be mistaken for "liberal", especially when he goes on his truther kick

You say that as if the guy is in his mid 50s... He is at most 4 years separated from High School. I don't know about you, but I regularly see people I know from high school and it has been longer than that for me.


I'm 21 and I considered myself a Totalitarian Commie-Nazi (not even kidding) in high school. People change, sometimes dramatically.
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Postby Unhealthy2 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:08 am

Xsyne wrote:And all of this is completely irrelevant seeing as we already know what his political views are from his own mouth.


But you can't trust what liberals say. He's lying. He's a secret liberal, which means he's also a crypto-Muslim! See, every time he denies it, that just proves it more. Hurray for unfalsifiable hypotheses!
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:09 am

Unhealthy2 wrote:
Ta suil wrote:well buddah would probably say that as soon as one engages in or promotes violence, one ceases to be enlightened/buddah. . . just thought i'd confuse things more :D


And Jesus told people to sell all their possessions, yet predominantly Christian countries have the wealthiest people on earth. People are hypocrites, what a shock.

Oh, come on, Jesus was a Jew, no one took him seriously with that poverty schtick. :p
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Postby Feral Land » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:09 am

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A militant buddist monk who set himself on fire to protest the Viet Nam war

Self-Immolation is Militant? In what universe?


In what universe is setting yourself on fire not a militant act? Of course maybe I don't understand the word militant, but none the less self-immolation is hard care to say the least.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:10 am

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Unhealthy2 wrote:
And Jesus told people to sell all their possessions, yet predominantly Christian countries have the wealthiest people on earth. People are hypocrites, what a shock.

Oh, come on, Jesus was a Jew, no one took him seriously with that poverty schtick. :p

If Jesus really was a Jew he wouldn't have thrown Money Changers out of the Temple. He was obviously a Roman Centurion or a Germanic Barbarian. :p
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:10 am

In what universe is setting yourself on fire considered protesting?

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Postby Katganistan » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:10 am

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I'm glad they captured the shooter alive. Let's hope he gets a quick but fair trial before he's locked away for the rest of his life. I'm also hoping the people that have survived so far make recoveries.


Arizona got the death penalty. Once again has the police and various other agencies not been able to stop an act of terrorism on American soil.
Let's hope the rest of this terror cell dies in a shootout with the police.

It is horrible that Mrs Gifford got shot, but the real tragedy is the inocent bystanders that got killed and injured. Gifford's staff should have made sure that the security was better. It is not like she is the least controversial politician in the US. Sending her out in the public without a security team is reckless.

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Postby Greater American Union » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:11 am

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Farnhamia wrote:Oh, come on, Jesus was a Jew, no one took him seriously with that poverty schtick. :p

If Jesus really was a Jew he wouldn't have thrown Money Changers out of the Temple. He was obviously a Roman Centurion or a Germanic Barbarian. :p

A Centurion or Barbarian would have just taken the money.

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Postby Unhealthy2 » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:11 am

Panzerjaeger wrote:Self-Immolation is Militant? In what universe?


Quit bitching. Atheists are militant just for openly saying that they don't think belief in god is warranted by our current knowledge.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:11 am

Greater American Union wrote:
Panzerjaeger wrote:If Jesus really was a Jew he wouldn't have thrown Money Changers out of the Temple. He was obviously a Roman Centurion or a Germanic Barbarian. :p

A Centurion or Barbarian would have just taken the money.

Who says he didn't?
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Postby Greater American Union » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:12 am

Panzerjaeger wrote:
Greater American Union wrote:A Centurion or Barbarian would have just taken the money.

Who says he didn't?

Isn't theft a sin? :eyebrow:

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:12 am

Zeth Rekia wrote:In what universe is setting yourself on fire considered protesting?

It is very common in Asia.
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