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Postby New Manvir » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:24 pm

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If we must have a patsy, I'm okay with that. Anyone else?

Glenn Beck has it tough already. I'm blaming Justin Bieber.

Justin Bieber has it tougher than Glenn Beck. He got hit in the head with a water bottle while on stage.
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Postby New Manvir » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:25 pm

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Norstal wrote:Glenn Beck has it tough already. I'm blaming Justin Bieber.

How about a Cabal involving Justin Bieber, Glenn Beck and Zombie Reagan?

And George Soros, because he apparently rules the world.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:25 pm

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Panzerjaeger wrote:See Capitalism works my good friend! :lol:

So let me get this straight...if Capitalism works, I can change my ruling state. So I can just pay for a dictatorship instead of a democracy, and vice versa? Hmm... you wouldn't be trying to scam me, would you? Oh no you didn't!

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Postby Smartephant » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:26 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot
The suspect Loughner was described by a former classmate as a pot-smoking loner, and the Army said he tried to enlist in December 2008 but was rejected for reasons not disclosed.

In one of several Youtube videos, which featured text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new U.S. currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords' congressional district in Arizona.

"I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People," Loughner wrote. "Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods."

And in a reading of one of his (I'm assuming final) posts he stated that he could not trust the government because of "the ratifications" and that it was "implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar" so sayeth Fox News.

Yep, sounds like he was a forward thinking and totally sane but hate-filled Republican. Or maybe he was more like the tin-foil mad hatters that listen to Alex Jones' podcasts.
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Postby New Manvir » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:26 pm

The Bleeding Roses wrote:Considering people that actually knew him say he was a radical leftist and he named Animal Farm and the Communist Manifesto as his favorite books? Blaming Beck is the wrong choice. Think a better person to blame would be... the shooter.


He also had Mein Kampf as one of his favourite Books and was apparently railing against the Fed and fiat currency or some shit.
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Postby Caninope » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:26 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:
Norstal wrote:Glenn Beck has it tough already. I'm blaming Justin Bieber.

How about a Cabal involving Justin Bieber, Glenn Beck and Zombie Reagan?

Zombie Reagan? Pfffttt...everyone knows that Obama (with the Hitler stache) is where it is at. The worst zombie Reagan can do is eat your brains while cutting taxes and restoring the economy. Barack Hitler Obama on the other hand is a Nazi sleeper agent who will imprison and kill everyone, play basketball badly, and crash the economy in one fell swoop!
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Postby New Manvir » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:26 pm

Caninope wrote:
Panzerjaeger wrote:How about a Cabal involving Justin Bieber, Glenn Beck and Zombie Reagan?

Zombie Reagan? Pfffttt...everyone knows that Obama (with the Hitler stache) is where it is at. The worst zombie Reagan can do is eat your brains while cutting taxes and restoring the economy. Barack Hitler Obama on the other hand is a Nazi sleeper agent who will imprison and kill everyone, play basketball badly, and crash the economy in one fell swoop!


*nods*
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Postby Caninope » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:27 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:
Caninope wrote:So let me get this straight...if Capitalism works, I can change my ruling state. So I can just pay for a dictatorship instead of a democracy, and vice versa? Hmm... you wouldn't be trying to scam me, would you? Oh no you didn't!

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Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
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Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:27 pm

http://forums.earthempires.com/Forum.ph ... -lcn-soler

I guess this means I might have killed his country once. And somehow, I don't regret it.

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Postby Caninope » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:29 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:http://forums.earthempires.com/Forum.php?threadid=6480&p=1294550300&z=the-arizona-shooter-was-a-sanct-lcn-soler

I guess this means I might have killed his country once. And somehow, I don't regret it.

Dev, you and your oddly unlike House-like personality have caused him to this!
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Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
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Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
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Postby Caninope » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:30 pm

New Manvir wrote:
Caninope wrote:Zombie Reagan? Pfffttt...everyone knows that Obama (with the Hitler stache) is where it is at. The worst zombie Reagan can do is eat your brains while cutting taxes and restoring the economy. Barack Hitler Obama on the other hand is a Nazi sleeper agent who will imprison and kill everyone, play basketball badly, and crash the economy in one fell swoop!


*nods*
Watch out for the Manchurian Hitler.

Especially in basketball. He might hit you in the face, look at what he did to himself!
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Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
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Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.

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Postby Norstal » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:32 pm

Caninope wrote:
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:http://forums.earthempires.com/Forum.php?threadid=6480&p=1294550300&z=the-arizona-shooter-was-a-sanct-lcn-soler

I guess this means I might have killed his country once. And somehow, I don't regret it.

Dev, you and your oddly unlike House-like personality have caused him to this!

It makes me feel glad that, at least he's not on Nationstates.

Or at least, he would have so many puppets, we wouldn't know if it was him.
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:34 pm

Caninope wrote:
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:http://forums.earthempires.com/Forum.php?threadid=6480&p=1294550300&z=the-arizona-shooter-was-a-sanct-lcn-soler

I guess this means I might have killed his country once. And somehow, I don't regret it.

Dev, you and your oddly unlike House-like personality have caused him to this!


According to alliance leadership here, he would've been crazy before I even joined that game. Which would've been 18 months before I joined this game, which would have been close to two years before I was even remotely like House. But all the same... disturbing.

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Postby Caninope » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:34 pm

Norstal wrote:
Caninope wrote:Dev, you and your oddly unlike House-like personality have caused him to this!

It makes me feel glad that, at least he's not on Nationstates.

Or at least, he would have so many puppets, we wouldn't know if it was him.

Maybe he is. And Max Barry is a part of a conspiracy to kill a Congresswoman!
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Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
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Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.

Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
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Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:35 pm

New Manvir wrote:
The Bleeding Roses wrote:Considering people that actually knew him say he was a radical leftist and he named Animal Farm and the Communist Manifesto as his favorite books? Blaming Beck is the wrong choice. Think a better person to blame would be... the shooter.


He also had Mein Kampf as one of his favourite Books and was apparently railing against the Fed and fiat currency or some shit.

I personally doubt he read half the books he listed. Mein Kampf is a pain in the ass to read it took me about a year of reading with most of it finding something else to read because I was bored. :lol2:
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Postby Free Soviets » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:36 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:seriously. it's pretty standard conspiracy theory shit that wouldn't be out of place among birchers, christian identity groups, or anyone who has ever complained about all the black helicopters putting people into FEMA extermination camps. mixed in with a healthy dose of really crazy, of course - as any gunman not associated with a central command structure typically has.

So we are blaming this on Glenn Beck then right? :lol:

oh, the dude is definitely a glenn beck fan. i'd put money on it.

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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:36 pm

Norstal wrote:
Caninope wrote:Dev, you and your oddly unlike House-like personality have caused him to this!

It makes me feel glad that, at least he's not on Nationstates.

Or at least, he would have so many puppets, we wouldn't know if it was him.


Being a puppetteer =/= insanity. It = too much time on your hands.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:37 pm

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Innsmothe wrote:Sarah Palin did put a target on her head.

It was symbolic. It means that they were targeting the seat, not the person.


Mentally stable people know that, a mentally unstable person might not. I am not accusing the Tea Party of attracting mentally unstable people, both sides already had plenty long before they even existed, but they are the ones using inflammatory rhetoric and gun symbolism. Whether this is connected to them or not they should be more careful with their choices of words and symbol, if for no other reason than that they have a wide reach and it only takes one crazy person to cause a tragedy.

I have no actual theory on who did this: drug cartel, psycho who took the symbolic message too literally, both sound highly plausible until I hear more evidence. I just think that people should think before they speak; if your voice is loud enough, even your smallest words can have consequences.
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Postby New Manvir » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:38 pm

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He also had Mein Kampf as one of his favourite Books and was apparently railing against the Fed and fiat currency or some shit.

I personally doubt he read half the books he listed. Mein Kampf is a pain in the ass to read it took me about a year of reading with most of it finding something else to read because I was bored. :lol2:


Yes. We had a laugh earlier when CM puled out a Mussolini quote about it.

From Wiki wrote:Italian Fascist dictator and Hitler's ideological and military ally, Benito Mussolini, himself experienced in editing for newspapers, was also critical of the book. Mussolini attempted to read it, but he was disappointed, and claimed that Mein Kampf was "a boring tome that I have never been able to read" and remarked that Hitler's beliefs, as expressed in the book, were "little more than commonplace clichés."


I couldn't get through the damn thing and gave up near the start.
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Postby The Bleeding Roses » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:39 pm

Isn't this typical?

People that know him claim the guy was a liberal... yet NSG runs a 30+ page thread blaming the teaparty and Beck.
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Postby New Manvir » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:40 pm

The Bleeding Roses wrote:Isn't this typical?

People that know him claim the guy was a liberal... yet NSG runs a 30+ page thread blaming the teaparty and Beck.


Cause schizophrenic loners have so many friends that know them oh so very well?
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Postby Galloism » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:41 pm

New Manvir wrote:
The Bleeding Roses wrote:Isn't this typical?

People that know him claim the guy was a liberal... yet NSG runs a 30+ page thread blaming the teaparty and Beck.


Cause schizophrenic loners have so many friends that know them oh so very well?

Sure they do.

They're just inside their head.
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Postby Greater American Union » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:41 pm

The Bleeding Roses wrote:People that know him claim the guy was a liberal...

AFAIK, his former gf from high school said this. Hardly a reliable source.

The Bleeding Roses wrote:yet NSG runs a 30+ page thread blaming the teaparty and Beck.

If this had been Sarah Palin, would you have blamed the liberal media? :p

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Postby Ta suil » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:41 pm

Smartephant wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot
The suspect Loughner was described by a former classmate as a pot-smoking loner, and the Army said he tried to enlist in December 2008 but was rejected for reasons not disclosed.

In one of several Youtube videos, which featured text against a dark background, Loughner described inventing a new U.S. currency and complained about the illiteracy rate among people living in Giffords' congressional district in Arizona.

"I know who's listening: Government Officials, and the People," Loughner wrote. "Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods."

And in a reading of one of his (I'm assuming final) posts he stated that he could not trust the government because of "the ratifications" and that it was "implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar" so sayeth Fox News.

Yep, sounds like he was a forward thinking and totally sane but hate-filled Republican. Or maybe he was more like the tin-foil mad hatters that listen to Alex Jones' podcasts.


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Postby New Manvir » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:42 pm

Galloism wrote:
New Manvir wrote:
Cause schizophrenic loners have so many friends that know them oh so very well?

Sure they do.

They're just inside their head.


So that's who the Joker is always talking to.
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