Congresswoman Gabby Giffords Shot in Head

[Feral Land]

If you want them to suffer, there are more effective ways.

If you just want them to die, there are more effective ways.

Why go with an antiquated form of execution that isn't that good at either?

It is cheap, reuseable, and relatively devoid of pain- so far as we know. I am not going for suffering, I merely believe that this individual is a threat to society and that supporting him with the prison system is not nearly as economical as stringing him up.

I understand the want for justice, but it seems that you have already concluded his guilt -- which is understandable based on the fact the perpatrator was apprehended at the scene -- but I thought that we as a society also take into account a person's state of mind and if they had the mental capacity to tell right from wrong...just a thought.

Although I can sympathize with your position, I often feel that drunk drivers that kill people should be tried and punished for murder rather than manslaughter (what a wasted concept) having lost a few members of my family to drunk drivers...but nonetheless we can't ignore our legal system or the rights of the accused because it's too expensive or inconvenient...

The real tragedy is, despite what we do to the accused, the victim and thier familys are never given true justice or made whole again.

[Marsini]

Traditionally, the lynchers probably wouldn't be living anywhere near the lynchee.

Sorry, I've never been part of a lynch mob. I don't know what's considered proper lynching etiquette.

Tsk. Tsk. I lynch all those who commit intolerable crimes against fabulousness!

[Militsia]

Arizona got the death penalty. Once again has the police and various other agencies not been able to stop an act of terrorism on American soil.
Let's hope the rest of this terror cell dies in a shootout with the police.

It is horrible that Mrs Gifford got shot, but the real tragedy is the inocent bystanders that got killed and injured. Gifford's staff should have made sure that the security was better. It is not like she is the least controversial politician in the US. Sending her out in the public without a security team is reckless.

So it's pretty much her own damn fault, is that it?

Ofcourse not! But it was reckless of her support team not to have security in place. Having Obama appear in public without security is reckless as well, but ofcourse it would not be Obamas fault if something bad happend. She should have had a security team.

[Marsini]

It is cheap, reuseable, and relatively devoid of pain- so far as we know. I am not going for suffering, I merely believe that this individual is a threat to society and that supporting him with the prison system is not nearly as economical as stringing him up.

I understand the want for justice, but it seems that you have already concluded his guilt -- which is understandable based on the fact the perpatrator was apprehended at the scene -- but I thought that we as a society also take into account a person's state of mind and if they had the mental capacity to tell right from wrong...just a thought.

Although I can sympathize with your position, I often feel that drunk drivers that kill people should be tried and punished for murder rather than manslaughter (what a wasted concept) having lost a few members of my family to drunk drivers...but nonetheless we can't ignore our legal system or the rights of the accused because it's too expensive or inconvenient...
I never said I opposed a fair trial. I merely believe that the jury would be well within reasonable bounds to string him up if he is found guilty of murder in the first degree. Certainly, everybody has the right to a free trial.
The real tragedy is, despite what we do to the accused, the victim and thier familys are never given true justice or made whole again.

[Termina Leone]

right now six are dead but I heard that she survived despite being shot in the head.

[Galloism]

So it's pretty much her own damn fault, is that it?

Ofcourse not! But it was reckless of her support team not to have security in place. Having Obama appear in public without security is reckless as well, but ofcourse it would not be Obamas fault if something bad happend. She should have had a security team.

Forgive my lack of knowledge...

But when was the last time a congressman got murdered by a crazed gunman?

Because uh... I don't recall that happening recently.

[Marsini]

right now six are dead but I heard that she survived despite being shot in the head.

My condolences. Who were they?

[Feral Land]

So it's pretty much her own damn fault, is that it?

Ofcourse not! But it was reckless of her support team not to have security in place. Having Obama appear in public without security is reckless as well, but ofcourse it would not be Obamas fault if something bad happend. She should have had a security team.

As sad comment on our society that our politicians must always be accompanied by security.

Which is why I beleive that we should all learn how to use a gun and carry it and teach our children how -- I say this partly in jest but also in earnest. Our society is breaking down and we need to consider that we don't have police or the money for enough police to protect us.

Moreover, how is it that our society has devolved to the point where it is acceptable for political parties or political celebraties to suggest violence against their opponents as if they were the enemy...truly this is a tragic day our country

[Muravyets]

Ofcourse not! But it was reckless of her support team not to have security in place. Having Obama appear in public without security is reckless as well, but ofcourse it would not be Obamas fault if something bad happend. She should have had a security team.

Forgive my lack of knowledge...

But when was the last time a congressman got murdered by a crazed gunman?

Because uh... I don't recall that happening recently.

I don't know when, but according to MSNBC this is only the 6th time a sitting member of Congress has been shot at in US history.

Further, there is no budget to provide security to every single member of Congress and those close to them.

Plus, it is against the spirit of government by, of, and for the people to make our elected representatives unapproachable to us. I mean, half these people are born and raised natives of the districts they represent. These are their neighborhoods. Yet this is what we've come to with the out-of-control hostility in this country.

[Ashmoria]

Turns out he may have met Giffords before.

Those that said he wasn't connected with the Tea Party are right, apparently. And judging from his video, he's probably more of an unmedicated schizophrenic than a conspirator.

As I said before, we have to wait for the investigation before we can draw conclusions about what prompted this guy's actions, whether it be violent political rhetoric or the voices inside his head. But frankly, shy of command hallucinations, him being crazy doesn't preclude him being prompted by current political speech being bandied about. No one is suggesting that a Sharon Engle or Glen Beck instigated this shooting directly, but it is not unknown for crazy people to take seriously what someone else says as a joke or for rhetorical flair.

yeah

thats why prominent people have to be careful with their rhetoric. they can not intend to incite violence but the weak minded are easily influenced.

[Free Soviets]

holy shit!

A family friends tells FOX 11 News Rep. Giffords woke up from anesthesia & spoke to people in her room & recognized her husband Mark Kelly.

modern medicine; fuck yeah.

[Geniasis]

Ofcourse not! But it was reckless of her support team not to have security in place. Having Obama appear in public without security is reckless as well, but ofcourse it would not be Obamas fault if something bad happend. She should have had a security team.

Forgive my lack of knowledge...

But when was the last time a congressman got murdered by a crazed gunman?

Because uh... I don't recall that happening recently.

It's been a while.

For some reason, the crazies tend to go after the President.

I don't know who he was trying to impress, but she was no Jodie Foster, apparently.

[Galloism]

Forgive my lack of knowledge...

But when was the last time a congressman got murdered by a crazed gunman?

Because uh... I don't recall that happening recently.

I don't know when, but according to MSNBC this is only the 6th time a sitting member of Congress has been shot at in US history.

Not exactly an epidemic.

I can see why security might be lax.

[Feral Land]

I understand the want for justice, but it seems that you have already concluded his guilt -- which is understandable based on the fact the perpatrator was apprehended at the scene -- but I thought that we as a society also take into account a person's state of mind and if they had the mental capacity to tell right from wrong...just a thought.

Although I can sympathize with your position, I often feel that drunk drivers that kill people should be tried and punished for murder rather than manslaughter (what a wasted concept) having lost a few members of my family to drunk drivers...but nonetheless we can't ignore our legal system or the rights of the accused because it's too expensive or inconvenient...
I never said I opposed a fair trial. I merely believe that the jury would be well within reasonable bounds to string him up if he is found guilty of murder in the first degree. Certainly, everybody has the right to a free trial.
The real tragedy is, despite what we do to the accused, the victim and thier familys are never given true justice or made whole again.

My apologies I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.

[Muravyets]

right now six are dead but I heard that she survived despite being shot in the head.

My condolences. Who were they?

Last I heard, the police were not releasing the names of the dead tonight, except for one who was recognized. A federal judge name Roll. He just happened to be there because he lives nearby. That was his regular supermarket, and he stopped by to say hi to his Congresswoman. At least one of Giffords' aides was killed. And another victim dead at the scene was a 9 year old girl.

[Marsini]

holy shit!

A family friends tells FOX 11 News Rep. Giffords woke up from anesthesia & spoke to people in her room & recognized her husband Mark Kelly.

modern medicine; fuck yeah.

Fuck yes! Though, the others still died.

[Feral Land]

right now six are dead but I heard that she survived despite being shot in the head.

My condolences. Who were they?

Apparently a federal judge and a nine year old girl were reported among the dead

[Feral Land]

holy shit!

A family friends tells FOX 11 News Rep. Giffords woke up from anesthesia & spoke to people in her room & recognized her husband Mark Kelly.

modern medicine; fuck yeah.

That is good news.

As for the other victims and the dead, they and their families are in my thoughts and prayers.

[Muravyets]

I don't know when, but according to MSNBC this is only the 6th time a sitting member of Congress has been shot at in US history.

Not exactly an epidemic.

I can see why security might be lax.

It's not just that. It's the American way. We have the right to peaceably assemble and to petition our government for redress of wrongs. Rep Giffords read that bit in the public reading of the Constitution the House did just a few days ago. This event was a standard neighborhood meet-n-greet that she did regularly so her constituents could meet her, talk to her, tell her concerns if they had any, essentially lobby her directly. I used to run into Chuck Schumer at my neighborhood markets in NYC back when I lived in his district, too. This is how we do it. American politicians are not elites isolated in an ivory tower. They are "of the people". They are us, our neighbors, our peers. The ability to talk directly to our representatives is part of the heart of American government.

This attack was not just a crazy man shooting up a crowd. This is a blow to our very way of governing ourselves, which is direct involvement of the people in the process. We can only hope it comes down that he was a schizophrenic, acting alone, in answer to command hallucinations. Because if this really was a politically motivated attack then it is a textbook act of terrorism designed to destroy a social institution.

[The Lone Alliance]

Forgive my lack of knowledge...

But when was the last time a congressman got murdered by a crazed gunman?

Because uh... I don't recall that happening recently.

The last time was Jonestown. And we know how that ended.

[Galloism]

Not exactly an epidemic.

I can see why security might be lax.

It's not just that. It's the American way. We have the right to peaceably assemble and to petition our government for redress of wrongs. Rep Giffords read that bit in the public reading of the Constitution the House did just a few days ago. This event was a standard neighborhood meet-n-greet that she did regularly so her constituents could meet her, talk to her, tell her concerns if they had any, essentially lobby her directly. I used to run into Chuck Schumer at my neighborhood markets in NYC back when I lived in his district, too. This is how we do it. American politicians are not elites isolated in an ivory tower. They are "of the people". They are us, our neighbors, our peers. The ability to talk directly to our representatives is part of the heart of American government.

This attack was not just a crazy man shooting up a crowd. This is a blow to our very way of governing ourselves, which is direct involvement of the people in the process. We can only hope it comes down that he was a schizophrenic, acting alone, in answer to command hallucinations. Because if this really was a politically motivated attack then it is a textbook act of terrorism designed to destroy a social institution.

Well, some American politicians aren't.

I tried to get in to the see the governor of Florida one time...

Can't even get an appointment.

So different than Arkansas, where you can usually make an appointment to see the governor within a day or two, just because you are a resident who wants to talk to him.

Hell, if you show up in person, he might see you immediately - presuming he's not bogged down in something else.

[Muravyets]

holy shit!

A family friends tells FOX 11 News Rep. Giffords woke up from anesthesia & spoke to people in her room & recognized her husband Mark Kelly.

modern medicine; fuck yeah.

That's amazing.

[Geniasis]

holy shit!

A family friends tells FOX 11 News Rep. Giffords woke up from anesthesia & spoke to people in her room & recognized her husband Mark Kelly.

modern medicine; fuck yeah.

That's amazing.

This might just be the years of sappy movies, but aren't all people who pull through required to make some witty remark about how they have a killer headache?

Seriously though, good to know she's OK.

[Marsini]

My condolences. Who were they?

Apparently a federal judge and a nine year old girl were reported among the dead

I heard of those two and the aid, but have no knowledge of the others.

[Dakini]

That's amazing.

This might just be the years of sappy movies, but aren't all people who pull through required to make some witty remark about how they have a killer headache?

Seriously though, good to know she's OK.

I would imagine they probably have her on some painkillers. Just because she can be awake and alert doesn't mean that wouldn't hurt a lot.