Congresswoman Gabby Giffords Shot in Head

[Farnhamia]

You don't have a 'right' to it. You have a theoretical right, based on whether or not you qualify.

The question is only really about who should bear the responsibility - the person trying to sell the gun, the person trying to monitor the sale, or the person trying to buy. Placing the burden at the buyers end limits excessive paperwork, by limiting the pool of required assessments to only serious (potential) transactions.

I have a right to a gun, allowing certain restrictions on me and the weapons I might own, providing they aren't overly restrictive.

And in Arizona you have the right to carry a concealed weapon without a concealed-carry permit. That might be part of why the Pima County Sheriff is upset about this. Just a thought, because I didn't notice anyone in the crowd blowing the shooter away, the way we're always told honest, gun-owning citizens will in situations like this. I believe one of the people who tackled him was herself wounded.

[Caninope]

Aha. I have a right to a gun, under the Constitution. I, on the other hand, have no right to shelter, water, food, etc.

Would you be opposed if we had to apply to make a speech or exercise freedom of expression?

I believe that you have to let people know if you are planning on having a large protest or gathering in their town.

No, not always. If you have to do so, you only have to make sure it is in an appropriate place and doesn't disturb business.

[Georgism]

Anyone want to take bets as to whether or nor the shooter was a teabagger?

I hear his favorite book was "The Communist Manifesto", so he's obviously a "fill in the blank".

Along with Brave New World, Mein Kampf and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, amongst other things.

Clearly a nutter.

[The Bleeding Roses]

Half this guy's rantings on ATS were about NASA...

Gifford's husband is an Astronaut and she is on the Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics.

Interesting.

...Very interesting. I must read into this.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread649091/pg1

[Caninope]

I have a right to a gun, allowing certain restrictions on me and the weapons I might own, providing they aren't overly restrictive.

And in Arizona you have the right to carry a concealed weapon without a concealed-carry permit. That might be part of why the Pima County Sheriff is upset about this. Just a thought, because I didn't notice anyone in the crowd blowing the shooter away, the way we're always told honest, gun-owning citizens will in situations like this. I believe one of the people who tackled him was herself wounded.

I didn't know about that provision.

[Georgism]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread649091/pg1

Cheers

[United Dependencies]

It's probably best if the government be able to limit what kinds of guns people can buy and who can buy them. If you have a clean record what's the big deal with getting a permit or having a backround check?

Except the government already does this, to an extent. But I don't want permits or background checks because they infringe upon a freedom enshrined in the 2nd amendment.

What if you had to get a permit to exercise free speech?

How do they infringe upon your freedom?

[United Dependencies]

I believe that you have to let people know if you are planning on having a large protest or gathering in their town.

No, not always. If you have to do so, you only have to make sure it is in an appropriate place and doesn't disturb business.

Oh? When don't you? And why aren't you out there defending the right to let protest happen any where at any time?

[Grave_n_idle]

Where is the evidence for 'social failure'?

They're mopping it up off the Safeway parking lot...

That's evidence, certainly - although I'm not sure why we can realistically assert it's evidence of 'social failure' any more than it's evidence of obsession with gun culture, politically motivated assassination, or the fact that Arizona sucks so hard that murder seems like a realistic diversion for a quiet afternoon.

[Caninope]

Except the government already does this, to an extent. But I don't want permits or background checks because they infringe upon a freedom enshrined in the 2nd amendment.

What if you had to get a permit to exercise free speech?

How do they infringe upon your freedom?

By impeding the process and speed upon which I can exercise those rights.

[Greed and Death]

I have a right to a gun, allowing certain restrictions on me and the weapons I might own, providing they aren't overly restrictive.

And in Arizona you have the right to carry a concealed weapon without a concealed-carry permit. That might be part of why the Pima County Sheriff is upset about this. Just a thought, because I didn't notice anyone in the crowd blowing the shooter away, the way we're always told honest, gun-owning citizens will in situations like this. I believe one of the people who tackled him was herself wounded.

No they tackled him most likely because he was in the middle of a mass of people and shooting a him would have injured other people. The honest gun owning citizen knows to use prudence when electing the means to response to an incident.

[Grave_n_idle]

Anyone want to take bets as to whether or nor the shooter was a teabagger?

I hear his favorite book was "The Communist Manifesto", so he's obviously a "fill in the blank".

Where did you hear that? I heard it was on his list of books he'd read, but that doesn't necessarily make it his favourite.

Did I miss something?

[Grave_n_idle]

How do they infringe upon your freedom?

By impeding the process and speed upon which I can exercise those rights.

Neither of which makes you any less 'free', since 'speed' isn't a constitutionally granted 'right'.

[Georgism]

Also I've only read a small part of it so far but this: (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread649059/pg1) seems interesting.

[Grave_n_idle]

You don't have a 'right' to it. You have a theoretical right, based on whether or not you qualify.

The question is only really about who should bear the responsibility - the person trying to sell the gun, the person trying to monitor the sale, or the person trying to buy. Placing the burden at the buyers end limits excessive paperwork, by limiting the pool of required assessments to only serious (potential) transactions.

I have a right to a gun, allowing certain restrictions on me and the weapons I might own, providing they aren't overly restrictive.

Right. You have a 'right' which has conditions. You're actually agreeing with me.

[Occupied Deutschland]

And in Arizona you have the right to carry a concealed weapon without a concealed-carry permit. That might be part of why the Pima County Sheriff is upset about this. Just a thought, because I didn't notice anyone in the crowd blowing the shooter away, the way we're always told honest, gun-owning citizens will in situations like this. I believe one of the people who tackled him was herself wounded.

No they tackled him most likely because he was in the middle of a mass of people and shooting a him would have injured other people. The honest gun owning citizen knows to use prudence when electing the means to response to an incident.

Plus, they said someone did shoot back at him, though It may have been a security guard, haven't heard anything more about that so...

[The Bleeding Roses]

I hear his favorite book was "The Communist Manifesto", so he's obviously a "fill in the blank".

Where did you hear that? I heard it was on his list of books he'd read, but that doesn't necessarily make it his favourite.

Did I miss something?

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10
Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

[United Dependencies]

How do they infringe upon your freedom?

By impeding the process and speed upon which I can exercise those rights.

I fail to see how waiting x number of weeks for a gun compared to going out and buying a gun on the spot makes us less free.

[Greed and Death]

I have a right to a gun, allowing certain restrictions on me and the weapons I might own, providing they aren't overly restrictive.

Right. You have a 'right' which has conditions. You're actually agreeing with me.

Yeah if someone inappropriately shoots people they lose the right to carry weapons in public.

[Grave_n_idle]

Where did you hear that? I heard it was on his list of books he'd read, but that doesn't necessarily make it his favourite.

Did I miss something?

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10
Books:
I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver's Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.

So it's one of his 'favorite' books? Although 'favorite' seems to be everything he can recall ever reading, judging from that list.

[Grave_n_idle]

Right. You have a 'right' which has conditions. You're actually agreeing with me.

Yeah if someone inappropriately shoots people they lose the right to carry weapons in public.

For example.

[Greater Americania]

Anyone want to take bets as to whether or nor the shooter was a teabagger?

I hear his favorite book was "The Communist Manifesto", so he's obviously a "fill in the blank".

That would make sense. The Congresswoman he shot did support anti-illegal immigration reforms, so logically, it wouldn't be surprising at all if some left-wing extremist took the initiative to commit this massacre on those grounds. If so, it's only more proof that radical leftism is becoming more and more of a threat in modern western society.

[Greed and Death]

Yeah if someone inappropriately shoots people they lose the right to carry weapons in public.

For example.

If I were to shoot up a congressional event, I should be barred from carrying guns in public again.

[Greed and Death]

Finally, a gunman who is actually a decent shot.

At 4 feet a blind man could have landed those shots.

[Fartsniffage]

Finally, a gunman who is actually a decent shot.

How so? He managed to shoot her in the head and still not kill her.

Smacks of incompetence to me.