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[Saiwania]

My local high school already had cameras when I attended in 2004-2008. My local state college however, has not a single camera I've noticed. It's either hidden well or there are no cameras. But I assume since most are adults there are much fewer incidents happening on campus. I do know that someone from my college was caught committing indecent exposure and I don't know if he was ever identified and punished by administration. If he was I haven't heard about what happened afterward.

[Langorham]

Why not develop a USB jack that can be implanted to link to a person’s brain. Then when there is an issue simply connect the USB jack in the person to a computer that can take the neural signals from a brain and convert them to audio/video and see exactly what happened. You would get a real first-hand, eyewitness account of any situation. Heck, have them implanted in everyone. Think of all the crimes that would be solved so easily. You would not be able to lie anymore, even politicians and lawyers would be held to a higher standard. We already have Lo-Jack and On-Star in cars. Why not a Lie-Jack for people?

[Novograd IV]

Why not develop a USB jack that can be implanted to link to a person’s brain. Then when there is an issue simply connect the USB jack in the person to a computer that can take the neural signals from a brain and convert them to audio/video and see exactly what happened. You would get a real first-hand, eyewitness account of any situation. Heck, have them implanted in everyone. Think of all the crimes that would be solved so easily. You would not be able to lie anymore, even politicians and lawyers would be held to a higher standard. We already have Lo-Jack and On-Star in cars. Why not a Lie-Jack for people?

Because it would cost whatever goes over trillions in monetary value?

and mind-machine interface is still a long way away from working well.

[Laerod]

No, we don't. How are people suppose to have fun in high school i they can't get away with anything? No skipping class to sleep in the auditorium, no food fights, it makes senior pranks stupidly hard, no smoking in the bathrooms, no sneaking out to your car to smoke weed. Why do you hate fun?

Surveillance... will catch people doing stuff they oughtn't be doing... and that's an argument against?

Well, senior pranks... I remember we cleaned out all the furniture in one teacher's classroom and stashed it on the roof while we were setting up the rest of the prank.

[Oterro]

They have them at my school. It's not a really bad school, though, so there's not much fighting. When there is though, the cameras usually help them figure out what happened, which is good I suppose.

[Grave_n_idle]

That sounds awfully speculative.

only CCTV is very very expensive and security guards to watch it here make at least 6.50 an hour so no your father is speculative!

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and erm these cameras would be everywhere right

I guess it depends on exactly what type of surveillance you use.

You can combine a lot of digital signals into one bank, and store them all in very small amounts of data space. Especially if you only record data when there is movement in-screen, and you cycle through your storage so you're never holding more than 30 days (un-backed-up). Further - your 'security guards' only absolutely need to watch if there's an event, or an alarm of some kind is triggered.

(I've used these cost-effective systems in several workplaces now, initial set-up is the only real cost... and that's not that much).
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[Hayteria]

Unless the school in question has a serious problem with crimes where surveillance cameras might be of some use - e.g. valuables being stolen from classrooms or lockers - I cannot see them as anything other than a colossal waste of money. Schools rarely have enough funding to cover things that actually matter, and it'd be crazy to siphon away a big chunk of that money for something that is utterly unnecessary in most schools.

You mean like a microscope for every student in biology, even though they only get used once a year and are unnecessary even then?

Please, there's PLENTY of waste when it comes to spending in public schools. Unless you have reason to believe that, let's say, a surveillance camera for every classroom and hallway would be considerably more expensive than every other form of waste, I say cut back on other things and have a real means of instilling a real sense of justice in schools, hmm?

[Hayteria]

I think that socializing young people to accept that someone else is always going to be looking over their shoulders is probably not a good idea.

Well, it's at least better than socializing young people to think they can get away with making others get in trouble for things they didn't do. Think about the logic here: someone looking over your shoulder and seeing what really happened vs. no-one looking over your shoulder and the authorities getting the wrong impression about what happened and wrongfully punishing you as a result. Which is the better option here?

[Caninope]

Unless the school in question has a serious problem with crimes where surveillance cameras might be of some use - e.g. valuables being stolen from classrooms or lockers - I cannot see them as anything other than a colossal waste of money. Schools rarely have enough funding to cover things that actually matter, and it'd be crazy to siphon away a big chunk of that money for something that is utterly unnecessary in most schools.

You mean like a microscope for every student in biology, even though they only get used once a year and are unnecessary even then?

Please, there's PLENTY of waste when it comes to spending in public schools. Unless you have reason to believe that, let's say, a surveillance camera for every classroom and hallway would be considerably more expensive than every other form of waste, I say cut back on other things and have a real means of instilling a real sense of justice in schools, hmm?

Cut back on what other waste in the school system?

It's been cut for the past two years, ya know.

[Hayteria]

You mean like a microscope for every student in biology, even though they only get used once a year and are unnecessary even then?

Please, there's PLENTY of waste when it comes to spending in public schools. Unless you have reason to believe that, let's say, a surveillance camera for every classroom and hallway would be considerably more expensive than every other form of waste, I say cut back on other things and have a real means of instilling a real sense of justice in schools, hmm?

Cut back on what other waste in the school system?

It's been cut for the past two years, ya know.

But what reason to we have to believe that the right things were cut?

[Caninope]

Cut back on what other waste in the school system?

It's been cut for the past two years, ya know.

But what reason to we have to believe that the right things were cut?

Well, we've cut everything. Somewhere along the lines, we must have cut something right.

[The Norwegian Blue]

Unless the school in question has a serious problem with crimes where surveillance cameras might be of some use - e.g. valuables being stolen from classrooms or lockers - I cannot see them as anything other than a colossal waste of money. Schools rarely have enough funding to cover things that actually matter, and it'd be crazy to siphon away a big chunk of that money for something that is utterly unnecessary in most schools.

You mean like a microscope for every student in biology, even though they only get used once a year and are unnecessary even then?

Jesus Christ, what sort of shitty biology program did your school have where you only used microscopes once per year and they "weren't even necessary then"?

And yes, I mean things like microscopes. And things like textbooks. And things like enough teachers that class sizes aren't excessively large. And things like working classroom equipment. And things like necessary repairs to school buildings. And things like safety equipment in labs. And things like nutritious school lunches. And things like after-school programs. And things like music and arts departments. Do you know how many schools struggle to pay for at least one of the things on the above list? (Hint: a whole lot.)

Please, there's PLENTY of waste when it comes to spending in public schools.

...so let's waste even more!

Seriously, you actually think that's a good argument?

Unless you have reason to believe that, let's say, a surveillance camera for every classroom and hallway would be considerably more expensive than every other form of waste, I say cut back on other things and have a real means of instilling a real sense of justice in schools, hmm?

No, see, I think if something is obviously wasteful spending, we shouldn't spend money on it, even if there are other examples of wasteful spending. Crazy, I know.

Again, if there are actual serious crimes happening where a teacher or administrator cannot reasonably be expected to supervise them, cameras might serve a purpose, but your own example is of kids playing a stupid prank on another student (which, incidentally, you point out that the teacher recognized as a stupid prank even without cameras, which is hardly a convincing argument for the necessity of cameras). Even if (s)he hadn't recognized that, what terrible harm would have come to you? Oh noes, you might have had to go to detention or something! The horror! I don't dispute that serving detention for something you didn't do would have been annoying - if it had happened, which, again, it didn't, even without cameras - but it's hardly a big deal, unlike things like "not getting a good education because our school blew an assload of money on these stupid cameras instead of buying textbooks that weren't twenty years out of date."

[Cosmopoles]

I'm pretty sure my teachers were busy enough without having to dig out CCTV footage to resolve every petty incident they didn't see.

[Sibirsky]

No, we don't. How are people suppose to have fun in high school i they can't get away with anything? No skipping class to sleep in the auditorium, no food fights, it makes senior pranks stupidly hard, no smoking in the bathrooms, no sneaking out to your car to smoke weed. Why do you hate fun?

Presumably bathrooms would not be under surveillance.

[Hathradic States]

My school has surveillance cameras. I hate them.

[Langorham]

Why not develop a USB jack that can be implanted to link to a person’s brain. Then when there is an issue simply connect the USB jack in the person to a computer that can take the neural signals from a brain and convert them to audio/video and see exactly what happened. You would get a real first-hand, eyewitness account of any situation. Heck, have them implanted in everyone. Think of all the crimes that would be solved so easily. You would not be able to lie anymore, even politicians and lawyers would be held to a higher standard. We already have Lo-Jack and On-Star in cars. Why not a Lie-Jack for people?

Because it would cost whatever goes over trillions in monetary value?

and mind-machine interface is still a long way away from working well.

Then just strap a cell phone with a camera to everyone's forehead till we get the mind-machine interface.

[Oterro]

My school has surveillance cameras. I hate them.

Why?

[Novograd IV]

Because it would cost whatever goes over trillions in monetary value?

and mind-machine interface is still a long way away from working well.

Then just strap a cell phone with a camera to everyone's forehead till we get the mind-machine interface.

costing billions, and anyone can just take it off or 'forget' to charge it

[Hathradic States]

My school has surveillance cameras. I hate them.

Why?

Because I am a paranoid SOB who hates being watched.

[Faith Hope Charity]

Ya.. this would be a great idea.. get the young skulls full of mush habituated to being watched by the all-seeing, all-knowing, Big Brother early in life, they would be less likely to rebel against it later in life. /sarcasm.

[Langorham]

Then just strap a cell phone with a camera to everyone's forehead till we get the mind-machine interface.

costing billions, and anyone can just take it off or 'forget' to charge it

Not as easy as you think. Those watching can call the cell phone to check up on you. If you don't keep it charged you get a visit in the middle of the night as a 'friendly' reminder to charge the phone. Plus the phone has GPS. They will know where you are. You don't respond and they just check the GPS and find another phone close to it and tell that person to find you. Besides everyone will be wearing one and if you do not have it on in public, you will be noticed.

And it will save billions as no one needs to buy a cell phone now. They are issued one.

[Georgism]

My school has them, but I don't really care.

We used to have riot-type things (we called them 'rushes') and stuff. It was all good fun but by the time we'd moved up to the new school site (in like year 10) which had cameras we'd grown out of it anyway.

Now if we want to fuck around we just leave the school site. I feel sorry for the year 7's and 8's though. They'll never have as much fun as we did.

[Georgism]

Because I am a paranoid SOB who hates being watched.

I thought you were a fascist?

[The Gradonian Islands]

I think there should be cameras in schools, we do at ours nothing much ever happens
apart from the fact that the band hall always gets broken into which sucks for us because food was getting stolen that was supposed to be getting sold, and when our budget is almost nothing already it was a big deal. The good news is that we are getting cameras installed over the doors of the band hall. So it proves the validity and necessity of cameras in schools right there.

[Knowlandia]

Yes, we have too many rights. Yesterday I got away with wearing bright colored clothes!

We already have cameras in the hallways and lunchroom, I think that's good enough.