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[Hayteria]

For my 1700th post, I figured I'd talk about something that I feel would help facilitate a better sense of justice in public schools; surveillance cameras.

Put them in the classrooms, the hallways, the playgrounds, etc... that way, people will be better able to know what is REALLY going on, rather than relying on student hearsay, which has too much potential to cause people to get in trouble for what they didn't do, or get them out of trouble for things they DID do.

Yes... lets condition kids to being watched everywhere they go for their own safety. That way when they grow up they'll be fine with having cameras in their houses to settle domestic disputes instead of relying on heresay.

As I pointed out earlier, comparing schools to houses here is a bit of a false equivalence. They're on different levels of privacy.

Maybe if we had a better means of knowing who did what so they we can better correct and punish wrongful behaviour and instill a better sense of justice in children, maybe they might grow up to be better people than they would otherwise!

[Kirisitan]

My school has them, however the administration there is too lazy to actually check the cameras when something happens. They just use the cameras as a way to threaten us but we all know they won't check.

[Valrem]

Having worked in schools I'm in favor of them. Though sticking them in every class is a bit too much.

I can't tell you how handy those cameras are for busting kids who are skipping class or figuring out who did what when a fight breaks out.

[CrazyKittens]

Meh what's the point in living if you can't do your own thing which by most definitions would wind up becoming illegal at some point

[Hayteria]

Meh what's the point in living if you can't do your own thing which by most definitions would wind up becoming illegal at some point

I already addressed this earlier in the thread. If you think they'll use these cameras to enforce unreasonable laws, then one should be confronting these laws rather than trying to hide from them.

[Genivar]

At my highschool you can't go anywhere without being on camera, except the restroom of course.

[Esternial]

My school has cameras, but they're more for decorative purposes since they don't work.

[CrazyKittens]

Meh what's the point in living if you can't do your own thing which by most definitions would wind up becoming illegal at some point

I already addressed this earlier in the thread. If you think they'll use these cameras to enforce unreasonable laws, then one should be confronting these laws rather than trying to hide from them.

Anything could be argued to be an unreasonable law by a good speaker

[Plesiosauria]

And you just figured this out now? We've always needed more surveillance cameras in schools.

[Italiani a Roma]

I don't want my future children being watched on cameras any more than the government already is.

[Seperate Vermont]

And you just figured this out now? We've always needed more surveillance cameras in schools.

Wev'e needed more proactive policy on reaching out to would-be rule-breakers and victims if applicable. Not another excuse to say "there fixed" and abandon progressive policy altogether.

[Dazchan]

I recall that in grade 6, a group of people in the class took stuff out of the substitute teacher's purse and then threw it on my desk right before I came in to make it look like I did it... and no one in the class ever said that I didn't except myself. Now, for what it's worth, I'm not sure if they all wanted me to get in trouble for it or not, but it doesn't matter, because even if they DIDN'T, they sure didn't do anything about it.

I think this particular example is more of a question about school policy (why were the students permitted to be in the classroom unsupervised?) than for a need for surveillance cameras.

I personally think the money spent kitting schools out with such cameras could be directed to more worthwhile things.

[UCUMAY]

Sure... In my opinion why not?

[Katganistan]

At my highschool you can't go anywhere without being on camera, except the restroom of course.

I'm sorry that you attend a school so dangerous that this appears to be necessary.

[The Bleeding Roses]

I recall that in grade 6, a group of people in the class took stuff out of the substitute teacher's purse and then threw it on my desk right before I came in to make it look like I did it... and no one in the class ever said that I didn't except myself. Now, for what it's worth, I'm not sure if they all wanted me to get in trouble for it or not, but it doesn't matter, because even if they DIDN'T, they sure didn't do anything about it.

I think this particular example is more of a question about school policy (why were the students permitted to be in the classroom unsupervised?) than for a need for surveillance cameras.

I personally think the money spent kitting schools out with such cameras could be directed to more worthwhile things.

This.

[Zeth Rekia]

All schools should have cameras in their classrooms so sessions can be recorded with audio and high definitions video. Than uploaded onto a district ran website that has the schools classes categorized with each video listed in chronological order. This will provide students easy access to information they might have missed, or if they don't understand something, they can watch the teacher go through it again. This would also decrease the harm done by being absent.

Of course, testing sessions are not recorded.

[The Southern Dictators]

My middle and high school's had cameras. Not everyone but just places where they were...I guess "strategic".

[The Bleeding Roses]

All schools should have cameras in their classrooms so seasons can be recorded with audio and high definitions video. Than uploaded onto a site that has the schools classes categorized with each video listed in chronological order. This will provide students easy access to information they might have missed, or if they don't understand something, they can watch the teacher go through it again. This would decrease the harm done by being absent.

Of course, testing sessions are not recorded.

Waste of bandwidth. Students that don't care enough to show up don't deserve it.

[Feral Land]

Yes we need more surveillance cameras in public and may I add private schools.

I would go further and suggest that we need more surveilance cameras in all public places.

Let's face it America's Funniest Videos just ain't cutting it anymore and the "reality" shows are now being scripted!

[Demen]

Or, we could give the kids more freedom, like the sort I was given as a kid. Seriously now, suspension for, of all things, fighting? I think bullying is one thing, a thing that should be delt with in different ways. But, I have an option for keeping things together in the hallways:



Get your shit together. Watch the hallways. Passing periods exist, and outside the classroom, I was dead scared of Mr.Halloway finding me running in the halls, or punching. I kept my shit straight. I'm sure if we got intimidating teachers in the hallways during passing periods, this stuff wouldn't happen.



And, how about you only get punished if you started the fight, instead of being disciplined for fighting back?


EDIT: Grammar, spelling.

[Scientific socks]

All schools should have cameras in their classrooms so seasons can be recorded with audio and high definitions video. Than uploaded onto a site that has the schools classes categorized with each video listed in chronological order. This will provide students easy access to information they might have missed, or if they don't understand something, they can watch the teacher go through it again. This would decrease the harm done by being absent.

Of course, testing sessions are not recorded.

Waste of bandwidth. Students that don't care enough to show up don't deserve it.

My university did that. Some people didnt turn up to class as they could download and skim through a lecture back home. It was justified due to clashes of classes and work

Still it is pointless to have cameras everywhere if the discipline wont change. How many schools really dont know who the trouble makers are? They might not want to identify people as trouble makers as this may be followed by the need to do something but I seriously doubt a teacher does not know which groups are doing the damage

[Alevuss]

My school already has surveillance cameras.

So does mine, but they do nothing. They're only in the hallways, and they can't even get a good look into most of the classrooms. Some only show the half of the classroom closest to the door, other classrooms are out of view of the cameras, some halls don't even have them. I think there are around 6-8 in my school.

My old school had surveilance cameras, too, but they only showed the hallways, not classrooms.

[Knowlandia]

REBEL, LETS DO IT!

Shut up. Please.

you definitly mad, I'm just not sure why.

[Knowlandia]

My school already has surveillance cameras. They didn't stop me from getting a black eye before Christmas in '09.

Nor did it stop someone I know from beating the shit out of someone with a lock.

[Scientific socks]

My school already has surveillance cameras. They didn't stop me from getting a black eye before Christmas in '09.

Nor did it stop someone I know from beating the shit out of someone with a lock.

but prehaps it helped stop that persons second attack (or at least delay it). If you want to stop something during the act you need security and/or police. If you want proof of what occured you need a camera.

Witness testimony is so unrealiable but a Camera shows exactly what happened within its view. It is the most neutral and accurate witness you can ever get.