Feminism, misogyny and misandry.

[Ifreann]

I believe that what that poster meant to say is the job which includes training.

As far as I know, firefighting services allow you to apply, run tests, and then offer training. Don't quote me on that though.

I suppose you might need a certain minimum level of fitness before taking the training, but my point stands. If a woman was able to complete the training then she was obviously fit enough to qualify to begin the training.

[Arborlawn]

There is nothing wrong with a woman in the civil service, just not out fighting on the front lines, however, they can be administration in the Armed Forces.

[Ifreann]

There is nothing wrong with a woman in the civil service, just not out fighting on the front lines

As above, if they can make it through the training then why not?

[Dakini]

There is nothing wrong with a woman in the civil service, just not out fighting on the front lines, however, they can be administration in the Armed Forces.

Why not? Other countries have women fighting on the front lines.

[Arborlawn]

There is nothing wrong with a woman in the civil service, just not out fighting on the front lines, however, they can be administration in the Armed Forces.

Why not? Other countries have women fighting on the front lines.

Women and children aren't supposed to die in war, but I suppose if she really wants to she can, I just wouldn't want my daughter or any of the like to do that.

[Horsefish]

There is nothing wrong with a woman in the civil service, just not out fighting on the front lines, however, they can be administration in the Armed Forces.

Why not? Other countries have women fighting on the front lines.

Cause you'll make men run out and get shot if you get injured, due to the genetic makeup of men, meaning they can't ignore the cries of a distressed woman. It's scientificly proved.

[Dakini]

Why not? Other countries have women fighting on the front lines.

Women and children aren't supposed to die in war, but I suppose if she really wants to she can, I just wouldn't want my daughter or any of the like to do that.

Adult women are not children. Adult women are capable of making informed decisions about what they will and will not do with their lives, which can include fighting on the front lines. Adult women are also capable (with proper training) of effectively serving in such a capacity. Why would you group us in with children?

Also, civilian populations are usually harmed the most in wars, there are plenty of women and children and elderly there who will die.

[Dakini]

Why not? Other countries have women fighting on the front lines.

Cause you'll make men run out and get shot if you get injured, due to the genetic makeup of men, meaning they can't ignore the cries of a distressed woman. It's scientificly proved.

Source?

[Horsefish]

Cause you'll make men run out and get shot if you get injured, due to the genetic makeup of men, meaning they can't ignore the cries of a distressed woman. It's scientificly proved.

Source?

Bad saracasm?

My bad, I forgot the smiley face

[Arborlawn]

Women and children aren't supposed to die in war, but I suppose if she really wants to she can, I just wouldn't want my daughter or any of the like to do that.

Adult women are not children. Adult women are capable of making informed decisions about what they will and will not do with their lives, which can include fighting on the front lines. Adult women are also capable (with proper training) of effectively serving in such a capacity. Why would you group us in with children?

Also, civilian populations are usually harmed the most in wars, there are plenty of women and children and elderly there who will die.

Did I not just say WOMEN in there? Just asking, cause last I checked a WOMAN and WOMEN were not little children, and I did not group you in with children, there is clearly a distinction between WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

Half the problem is that you don't listen.

[Dakini]

Source?

Bad saracasm?

My bad, I forgot the smiley face

Hehe. Sorry, sometimes it's hard to tell the sarcasm apart from the real misogyny.

[Ifreann]

Adult women are not children. Adult women are capable of making informed decisions about what they will and will not do with their lives, which can include fighting on the front lines. Adult women are also capable (with proper training) of effectively serving in such a capacity. Why would you group us in with children?

Also, civilian populations are usually harmed the most in wars, there are plenty of women and children and elderly there who will die.

Did I not just say WOMEN in there? Just asking, cause last I checked a WOMAN and WOMEN were not little children, and I did not group you in with children, there is clearly a distinction between WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

Half the problem is that you don't listen.

It seems your problem is more along the lines of "doesn't read", since you obviously missed where Dakini asked why you were grouping women in with children as people who aren't supposed to die in war, since women are perfectly capable of being soldiers.

[Dakini]

Adult women are not children. Adult women are capable of making informed decisions about what they will and will not do with their lives, which can include fighting on the front lines. Adult women are also capable (with proper training) of effectively serving in such a capacity. Why would you group us in with children?

Also, civilian populations are usually harmed the most in wars, there are plenty of women and children and elderly there who will die.

Did I not just say WOMEN in there? Just asking, cause last I checked a WOMAN and WOMEN were not little children, and I did not group you in with children, there is clearly a distinction between WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

Half the problem is that you don't listen.

You grouped women in with children by saying that we both shouldn't die in wars (not that I'm saying anyone should die in wars). But what about us and children (and not the elderly) makes us so special that we shouldn't be allowed to fight in wars while adult men are entirely expendable? Are we so delicate and fragile that you don't think we can handle this? That it's fine for us to die in our homes as the front line comes to us, but it's not fine for us to go to the front lines and fight?

[Arborlawn]

Did I not just say WOMEN in there? Just asking, cause last I checked a WOMAN and WOMEN were not little children, and I did not group you in with children, there is clearly a distinction between WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

Half the problem is that you don't listen.

It seems your problem is more along the lines of "doesn't read", since you obviously missed where Dakini asked why you were grouping women in with children as people who aren't supposed to die in war, since women are perfectly capable of being soldiers.

Maybe Dakini doesn't read as well, if you notice in the quote, I said that if a woman wanted to she could join. There is nothing against the capacity of a woman to fight in war, I just don't think they should.

Automatically jumping to conclusions and not reading, gosh you are right.

[Ifreann]

It seems your problem is more along the lines of "doesn't read", since you obviously missed where Dakini asked why you were grouping women in with children as people who aren't supposed to die in war, since women are perfectly capable of being soldiers.

Maybe Dakini doesn't read as well, if you notice in the quote, I said that if a woman wanted to she could join. There is nothing against the capacity of a woman to fight in war, I just don't think they should.

Automatically jumping to conclusions and not reading, gosh you are right.

Then why did you say it in the first place? If women can go and fight on the front lines then clearly they are 'supposed' to die in war as much as men who go to fight on the front lines.

[Arborlawn]

Did I not just say WOMEN in there? Just asking, cause last I checked a WOMAN and WOMEN were not little children, and I did not group you in with children, there is clearly a distinction between WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

Half the problem is that you don't listen.

You grouped women in with children by saying that we both shouldn't die in wars (not that I'm saying anyone should die in wars). But what about us and children (and not the elderly) makes us so special that we shouldn't be allowed to fight in wars while adult men are entirely expendable? Are we so delicate and fragile that you don't think we can handle this? That it's fine for us to die in our homes as the front line comes to us, but it's not fine for us to go to the front lines and fight?

When God gives me word that the value life of a woman is expendable, I will change my mind.

But anyways, you are right, we should pull our troops and sound our women and children over to fight the war, after all, the men need a break.

[Dakini]

It seems your problem is more along the lines of "doesn't read", since you obviously missed where Dakini asked why you were grouping women in with children as people who aren't supposed to die in war, since women are perfectly capable of being soldiers.

Maybe Dakini doesn't read as well, if you notice in the quote, I said that if a woman wanted to she could join. There is nothing against the capacity of a woman to fight in war, I just don't think they should.

Automatically jumping to conclusions and not reading, gosh you are right.

I don't think anybody should fight in wars because I don't think there should be wars.

That doesn't mean that I don't think that inasmuch as war is a reality, I don't think members both sexes should participate in this horrible activity together if they choose to do so. There is nothing inherent in having a penis that makes a person better at killing people with a gun.

[Horsefish]

Bad saracasm?

My bad, I forgot the smiley face

Hehe. Sorry, sometimes it's hard to tell the sarcasm apart from the real misogyny.

I know, it's quite depressing when a post like that gets taken seriously really

[Dakini]

You grouped women in with children by saying that we both shouldn't die in wars (not that I'm saying anyone should die in wars). But what about us and children (and not the elderly) makes us so special that we shouldn't be allowed to fight in wars while adult men are entirely expendable? Are we so delicate and fragile that you don't think we can handle this? That it's fine for us to die in our homes as the front line comes to us, but it's not fine for us to go to the front lines and fight?

When God gives me word that the value life of a woman is expendable, I will change my mind.

But anyways, you are right, we should pull our troops and sound our women and children over to fight the war, after all, the men need a break.

This god of yours tells you that men are expendable?

[Arborlawn]

Maybe Dakini doesn't read as well, if you notice in the quote, I said that if a woman wanted to she could join. There is nothing against the capacity of a woman to fight in war, I just don't think they should.

Automatically jumping to conclusions and not reading, gosh you are right.

Then why did you say it in the first place? If women can go and fight on the front lines then clearly they are 'supposed' to die in war as much as men who go to fight on the front lines.

No, the life of a woman is too valuable to be expendable for a war. But, if she really wants to give it all up like that, then whatever. Nevertheless, a women and children are not supposed to die in war.

[Dakini]

Hehe. Sorry, sometimes it's hard to tell the sarcasm apart from the real misogyny.

I know, it's quite depressing when a post like that gets taken seriously really

I'm surprised that nobody has made that argument seriously yet. Maybe we need to wait a page or two.

[Dakini]

Then why did you say it in the first place? If women can go and fight on the front lines then clearly they are 'supposed' to die in war as much as men who go to fight on the front lines.

No, the life of a woman is too valuable to be expendable for a war. But, if she really wants to give it all up like that, then whatever. Nevertheless, a women and children are not supposed to die in war.

How are women more valuable than men? We're not.

[Arborlawn]

Maybe Dakini doesn't read as well, if you notice in the quote, I said that if a woman wanted to she could join. There is nothing against the capacity of a woman to fight in war, I just don't think they should.

Automatically jumping to conclusions and not reading, gosh you are right.

I don't think anybody should fight in wars because I don't think there should be wars.

That doesn't mean that I don't think that inasmuch as war is a reality, I don't think members both sexes should participate in this horrible activity together if they choose to do so. There is nothing inherent in having a penis that makes a person better at killing people with a gun.

I didn't say a woman is incapable of fighting in a war and I didn't say that a man is better than a woman in war, I just said that a woman shouldn't fight in a war.

May the Lord have mercy on me for believing that a woman's life is much more valuable then a man's and that they shouldn't be expendable, just damn me right now.

[Horsefish]

No, the life of a woman is too valuable to be expendable for a war. But, if she really wants to give it all up like that, then whatever. Nevertheless, a women and children are not supposed to die in war.

How are women more valuable than men? We're not.

Well, actully if you needed to repopulate the human race you'd need alot fo women but very few men.
So in that respect you are.

[Dakini]

I don't think anybody should fight in wars because I don't think there should be wars.

That doesn't mean that I don't think that inasmuch as war is a reality, I don't think members both sexes should participate in this horrible activity together if they choose to do so. There is nothing inherent in having a penis that makes a person better at killing people with a gun.

I didn't say a woman is incapable of fighting in a war and I didn't say that a man is better than a woman in war, I just said that a woman shouldn't fight in a war.

May the Lord have mercy on me for believing that a woman's life is much more valuable then a man's and that they shouldn't be expendable, just damn me right now.

To the first: Why not? Why should men fight in wars but women shouldn't?
To the second: No, your life is not less valuable than mine. Deal with it.