Communism!A Dream or a Ideology?

[Greater Miami Shores]

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Look at that piece of sexy dictatorship.

Yes that is an awesome Horse.

[Euroslavia]

*Gasp* "Oh look (insert authoritarian dictator here)" *fapfapfapfapfap*

*** Warned for Trolling ***

If you don't care about the thread or the content, as shown by what you decided to write, don't post at all and move on.

[Mercator Terra]

How is that trolling im critiquing his love for something he has never experienced. Just in a less orthodox and funnier manner.

[Mercator Terra]

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Look at that piece of sexy dictatorship.

Yes that is an awesome Horse.

To be honest I wouldnt mind owning it.

[Greater Tezdrian]

How is that trolling im critiquing his love for something he has never experienced. Just in a less orthodox and funnier manner.

There is a difference between critiquing "a love for something I never experienced", and openly insulting my views in a way that is assuredly not amusing.

[Euroslavia]

How is that trolling im critiquing his love for something he has never experienced. Just in a less orthodox and funnier manner.

Spin it however you want, but it's still trolling. You came into a thread without even discussing what the actual thread was about and you even attempted to hijack the thread afterwards.

[Mercator Terra]

I found it funny. Either or you have never lived in a fascist regime so how do you know it will end up all nice and dandy. Also I just find it silly that you would blindly praise ones nation. Truthfully I wouldn't praise any nation/state.

[Mercator Terra]

How is that trolling im critiquing his love for something he has never experienced. Just in a less orthodox and funnier manner.

Spin it however you want, but it's still trolling. You came into a thread without even discussing what the actual thread was about and you even attempted to hijack the thread afterwards.

That was coming after other posts with dictators pictures. Either or you have not looked at any of my previous posts so therefor I believe that you cant logically say I have "came in a thread without ever discussing what the actual thread was about ... ) I have made numerous other posts. And if you want to talk about hijacking you should of see the capitalist/socialist thread. There was a whole global warming tangent going on for a few pages.

[Euroslavia]

Spin it however you want, but it's still trolling. You came into a thread without even discussing what the actual thread was about and you even attempted to hijack the thread afterwards.

That was coming after other posts with dictators pictures. Either or you have not looked at any of my previous posts so therefor I believe that you cant logically say I have "came in a thread without ever discussing what the actual thread was about ... ) I have made numerous other posts. And if you want to talk about hijacking you should of see the capitalist/socialist thread. There was a whole global warming tangent going on for a few pages.

There's only 1 picture of a leader previous to your post, and it was pages earlier (and used again later on). You posted the 2nd picture of a leader. I've gone through the entire thread. You've been warned, case closed. You're welcome to appeal the decision through the getting help page.

[Greater Tezdrian]

I found it funny. Either or you have never lived in a fascist regime so how do you know it will end up all nice and dandy. Also I just find it silly that you would blindly praise ones nation. Truthfully I wouldn't praise any nation/state.

But, again, the point is that I did not find it funny, nor did Euroslavia. Also, I have no idea whether a fascist regime would end up fine and dandy, but I know that many 3P regimes did. And, I did not blindly praise my nation, I praised the ideal of a nation.

[Mercator Terra]

That was coming after other posts with dictators pictures. Either or you have not looked at any of my previous posts so therefor I believe that you cant logically say I have "came in a thread without ever discussing what the actual thread was about ... ) I have made numerous other posts. And if you want to talk about hijacking you should of see the capitalist/socialist thread. There was a whole global warming tangent going on for a few pages.

There's only 1 picture of a leader previous to your post, and it was pages earlier (and used again later on). You posted the 2nd picture of a leader. I've gone through the entire thread. You've been warned, case closed. You're welcome to appeal the decision through the getting help page.

The picture was one the same page. Your lack of investigational skills is scary. Either or I thank you officer I always with to help the boys in blue.

[Mercator Terra]

I found it funny. Either or you have never lived in a fascist regime so how do you know it will end up all nice and dandy. Also I just find it silly that you would blindly praise ones nation. Truthfully I wouldn't praise any nation/state.

But, again, the point is that I did not find it funny, nor did Euroslavia. Also, I have no idea whether a fascist regime would end up fine and dandy, but I know that many 3P regimes did. And, I did not blindly praise my nation, I praised the ideal of a nation.

Eh I dont find that ideal worth praising tbh. But whatever floats our boat. I value my personal freedom. You value your.. "ideal of a nation".

[Greater Tezdrian]

But, again, the point is that I did not find it funny, nor did Euroslavia. Also, I have no idea whether a fascist regime would end up fine and dandy, but I know that many 3P regimes did. And, I did not blindly praise my nation, I praised the ideal of a nation.

Eh I dont find that ideal worth praising tbh. But whatever floats our boat. I value my personal freedom. You value your.. "ideal of a nation".

There we go. Happy ending for all.

[Meryuma]

What powers do authorities have over "regular" people to decide those things? Why can't people decide those things for themselves? Also, I don't see why anyone would want to gun someone down in the street, unless they had severe mental issues. Besides, if someone was trying to gun you down in the street, you could fight back, plus try and get them to compensate you for what they did.

If there was no government, there would be no cops. No cops means not enforcing the law. So, people could take out others without any thought of punishment. And, why would someone with money give it to others?

Look up "polycentric law" and "common law". A legal system can be maintained without a gvt.

[Greater Tezdrian]

If there was no government, there would be no cops. No cops means not enforcing the law. So, people could take out others without any thought of punishment. And, why would someone with money give it to others?

Look up "polycentric law" and "common law". A legal system can be maintained without a gvt.

Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Human beings cannot uphold laws without being forced to.

[Mercator Terra]

If there was no government, there would be no cops. No cops means not enforcing the law. So, people could take out others without any thought of punishment. And, why would someone with money give it to others?

Look up "polycentric law" and "common law". A legal system can be maintained without a gvt.

Your the mutualist right?

[Kalibarr]

Look up "polycentric law" and "common law". A legal system can be maintained without a gvt.

Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Human beings cannot uphold laws without being forced to.

You mean like not killing people?

Yah man, I'd totally be doing that If I weren't afraid of going to prison.

[Scientific socks]

Communism ignores one crucial factor. All animals are selfish for their own genetics. they will put themselves first. People will try to cheat the system or get more for themselves in all circumstances. Some wont and the cheaters will take advantage of that.

If you will get paid the same for working and not working why waste your energy with work? It is probably better to spare that energy and attempt to find the best possible mate. Thats far better for the future of your genes then working hard and being too tierd to find a partner of equal quality.

in capatilist if people dont work they may/may not get welfare which offers a lower quality of life and would make it harder to show off to a potential partner thus reducing your mating ability. eg the trophy wife is for the money that work/inheritance provides.

Communism removes a reason for work and thus makes it pointless to work decreasing the quality of society. As I never hear a communist mention the natural selfish behaviour that all animals exhibit within their populace i consider it a flawed ideaology. At least capitlists mention people on welfare, scammers and other cheaters that all societies have.

Bzzt. Genetics select on the level of higher groups as well as individuals. The biological comparison is bogus, and furthermore, it's readily apparent that humans are NOT entirely selfish - see charity.

As social animals, humans are concerned with not just individual welfare but also the welfare of others, especially within their own group; communism still provides rewards to hard workers, such as prestige and other non-monetary rewards; and conversely, slacking off is also punished by social disapproval. Essentially, communism motivates almost as well as capitalism does, though the effect diminishes as the number of participants increase - the socially based reinforcers of communism require that everyone knows everyone else, which is why it's non-viable on large scales.

Incidentally - you might not have heard a communist address those issues, but I'd be willing to bet you haven't heard many communists, period.

I never said humans were entirely selfish but they are selfish. Look at theft, people who refuse to donate, dont want to pay taxes etc. Selfish behavious exists in all species.

Being punished by social disaproval is a light tap on the wrist at best. Unless there are financial punishments or restricitions on your freedom there is no point putting in harder work. Prestige comes in many forms. Having the prestige of one individual that you deem highly important can be worth more than the general community. The prestige is also counter productive. It encourages people to show off instead of achieve results.

Working for the community will only go so far. This is why most people do not perform charity work on something as little as a monthly basis.
Working for yourself will take it further because you get the positive feedback on seeing the results and increase your own standing.

[Mercator Terra]

For your information the USA donates more to charity then any other country.

[Mercator Terra]

Also everything is selfish. Everything you do is for pleasure. Even charity...

[New Hampshyre]

Well i'm basically a council communist or council marxist. Democratic communism ftw!

The important question to ask here is whether all participants in this "democratic communism" joined it voluntarily, or whether this system is being placed over people who would rather having nothing to do with it. If it is the former, then this system is not "democratic communism", it is just mob rule/tyranny of the majority. It is just the majority oppressing everyone else. It would stop being anything related to communism on the first time votes are cast and there is nothing stopping the majority from abusing their power any less the Stalin or Hitler or any other tyrant.

People need to figure out that involuntarily democracy is a disgusting policy trying to masquerade as an ethical/just form of government. We've known that since at least the time of Plato.

[Mercator Terra]

Democracy already is mob rule in my opinion.

[New Hampshyre]

Democracy already is mob rule in my opinion.

Today in the US it does have some definite connections to mob rule, since it's results are pressed on everyone, even if they don't want anything to do with the voting. But in the US there are things that make it different from mob complete mob rule like the checks and balances that are built in to the government and the constitutional limits on government action. They aren't quite adequate to do the jobs they were intended to do, but they do offer the minority some definite protections from the majority.

[Science-Oriented Scots]

Also everything is selfish. Everything you do is for pleasure. Even charity...

That is absurd and untrue. You're really stretching and rationalizing, I think. A mother giving her life to save her child? Not really much self interest there, considering she'll be dead afterward. "Helping to continue the species," you say? There is no self afterward in this case. Helping to continue the species is an action for the group at large. If you're thinking about arguing gene continuation as selfish, don't. To assume every person is absolutely obsessed with his or her genes continuing is silly.

Natural altruism is still undergoing heavy research. Hold back with the bold claims for a while, eh?

[Mercator Terra]

Democracy already is mob rule in my opinion.

Today in the US it does have some definite connections to mob rule, since it's results are pressed on everyone, even if they don't want anything to do with the voting. But in the US there are things that make it different from mob complete mob rule like the checks and balances that are built in to the government and the constitutional limits on government action. They aren't quite adequate to do the jobs they were intended to do, but they do offer the minority some definite protections from the majority.

I would much prefer a direct democracy if I had to choose. And the "checks and balances" dont mean squat.