NSG Sceptics Society (OOC)

[Janopistan]

Consider me a true agnostic. Neither side has proof to back up their POV.

I'm sceptical of your understanding of the word 'agnostic'.

Nah, I know what it means.

However, I also feel that both sides of the religious debate are making outrageous claims that are impossible to prove. We as humans only know so much.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I'm skeptical that the title needs an OOC tag.

I'm skeptical that skeptical is really the correct spelling of sceptical.

Then let's bring in the torch of enlightenment, even if it will singe a few beards.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skeptical
Let us then bring the other torch.

[Farnhamia]

I'm sceptical of your understanding of the word 'agnostic'.

Nah, I know what it means.

However, I also feel that both sides of the religious debate are making outrageous claims that are impossible to prove. We as humans only know so much.

True, and I'll stick with what we do know than take on faith things for which there is no evidence at all.

[Farnhamia]

skeptical of egalitarianism, socialism, climate change, american superiority, racism, soldier boy, and american hegemony.

I know I'm going to regret this but ... how is one skeptical of racism?

[Ifreann]

I'm sceptical of your understanding of the word 'agnostic'.

Nah, I know what it means.

However, I also feel that both sides of the religious debate are making outrageous claims that are impossible to prove. We as humans only know so much.

Well, what's really important is that you've found a way to feel superior to both.

[Farnhamia]

Nah, I know what it means.

However, I also feel that both sides of the religious debate are making outrageous claims that are impossible to prove. We as humans only know so much.

Well, what's really important is that you've found a way to feel superior to both.

Self-esteem and self-image are so important today, in this confusing modern world? Sometimes I long for the days when all one had to do was make one didn't step where the mammoths had recently been, and to keep an eye out for the odd lion. And bears, too.

[Bendira]

Everything

[Laerod]

I'm skeptical that the title needs an OOC tag.

Then let's bring in the torch of enlightenment, even if it will singe a few beards.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skeptical
Let us then bring the other torch.

If you pay close attention to my link, you'll notice that both are mentioned, but the one with the k has the definitions, implying that it is the more common one.

So, thank you for holding my torch.

[Farnhamia]

Everything

You know that's not true.

[Ceannairceach]

skeptical of egalitarianism, socialism, climate change, american superiority, racism, soldier boy, and american hegemony.

I know I'm going to regret this but ... how is one skeptical of racism?

I'm hoping he means he's skeptical of how someone can be a racist...

[Occupied Deutschland]

If you pay close attention to my link, you'll notice that both are mentioned, but the one with the k has the definitions, implying that it is the more common one.

So, thank you for holding my torch.

I should have been more sceptical of that link.

[The Southron Nation]

skeptical of egalitarianism, socialism, climate change, american superiority, racism, soldier boy, and american hegemony.

I know I'm going to regret this but ... how is one skeptical of racism?

i think it exists only so long as the media emphasizes that it exists. every other week it seems that CNN is exposing the torments of racism. most of the guys i work with are black and mexican. guess what few have ever experienced.... the racism that CNN says grips the nation. the only racism ive suffered from is people mistaking me for a mexican or italian instead of a mulatto. but, then again, i have suffered a sort of racism when i was in Manhattan as well as when i lived in Oceanside as well as Eau Claire. I was asked at least once a week by a stranger, upon learning where i was from, if i had been to any lynchings. They were also very curious about the race wars that go on down here.

what race wars? i grew up in the ghetto. i have many memories of chalk body outlines in my neighborhood, crack houses, police chases and shoot outs. i never recall i time however, when the parents of my black best friend blamed my mother (the white parent) for their problems. and they grew up during the 60s.

i think racism exists, in large part, as hype and propaganda. but remember, this is only my singular opinion.

[Farnhamia]

I know I'm going to regret this but ... how is one skeptical of racism?

I'm hoping he means he's skeptical of how someone can be a racist...

I thought maybe he'd say he was skeptical of the majority of claims of racism, because it's the stick used to beat the white man. I guess we'll have to be patient.

EDIT: I was close.

[South Norwega]

Did anyone else see the thread title and think, NSG Septic Society?

And now we need an NSG Seppo society. There are enough of them here.

[South Norwega]

What are you sceptical about? Climate change? Vacsinations? North Korea? What ever the hell you are sceptic about, post it here!

You can't really be a skeptic towards climate change or vaccinations, because skepticism implies you have studied and understood the evidence. Anti-climate change and vaccination people are deniers and nutty respectively, not skeptics.

[The Southron Nation]

What are you sceptical about? Climate change? Vacsinations? North Korea? What ever the hell you are sceptic about, post it here!

Why would one be skeptical about climate change or vaccinations? Both are well grounded in science.

good science does not declare consensus. ever.

scientists the world over thought the earth was flat. turned out untrue. scientists the world over thought the earth a sphere. turned out untrue. scientists the world over thought the earth oval-ish- bulging out at the equator. turned out untrue. now it seems, science has determined the earth to alter shape ever so slightly depending on its proximity to the moon and sun but still maintaining a slight bulge near the equator.

consensus, is political. not scientific.

science deals in theory. not fact. gravity, although yet to be disproven, is still referred to as theory.

climate change is a theory to be disputed just as any other theory is to be. with due patience and determination. in the 70s it was global cooling. in the 90s it was global warming. and now it is merely climate change.

we skeptics do not dispute that climate changes. what we dispute is the effect man has on it to begin with, as well as the effect man can possibly hope to accomplish. we are skeptical that the costs of suggested legislation will hinder human progress and development for negligible gain. i.e. the american gov't subsidizing the purchase of hybrid cars to lower an automobiles carbon footprint resulted in no market share growth - hybrids remain below 7% of market share - as well as an impoverishment of millions of people as their tax dollars are stolen by federal bureaucracies.

climate change fanatics misrepresent skeptics. and skeptics all too often do not actually study the science behind climate change, nor do they properly articulate our position against the science.

[Conserative Morality]

scientists the world over thought the earth was flat. turned out untrue.

Not true, that was never widely believed.

scientists the world over thought the earth a sphere. turned out untrue. scientists the world over thought the earth oval-ish- bulging out at the equator. turned out untrue.

Both are generally true.

[Nort Eurasia]

I am skeptical of God(s), love, hope and goodness.

[Farnhamia]

Why would one be skeptical about climate change or vaccinations? Both are well grounded in science.

good science does not declare consensus. ever.

scientists the world over thought the earth was flat. turned out untrue. scientists the world over thought the earth a sphere. turned out untrue. scientists the world over thought the earth oval-ish- bulging out at the equator. turned out untrue. now it seems, science has determined the earth to alter shape ever so slightly depending on its proximity to the moon and sun but still maintaining a slight bulge near the equator.

consensus, is political. not scientific.

science deals in theory. not fact. gravity, although yet to be disproven, is still referred to as theory.

climate change is a theory to be disputed just as any other theory is to be. with due patience and determination. in the 70s it was global cooling. in the 90s it was global warming. and now it is merely climate change.

we skeptics do not dispute that climate changes. what we dispute is the effect man has on it to begin with, as well as the effect man can possibly hope to accomplish. we are skeptical that the costs of suggested legislation will hinder human progress and development for negligible gain. i.e. the american gov't subsidizing the purchase of hybrid cars to lower an automobiles carbon footprint resulted in no market share growth - hybrids remain below 7% of market share - as well as an impoverishment of millions of people as their tax dollars are stolen by federal bureaucracies.

climate change fanatics misrepresent skeptics. and skeptics all too often do not actually study the science behind climate change, nor do they properly articulate our position against the science.

So you want climate scientists to decide once and for all what their position is and stick to it? Or am I misunderstanding?

[Ifreann]

science deals in theory. not fact.

Not true. Science does deal in facts.

gravity, although yet to be disproven, is still referred to as theory.

Gravitation is a fact, not a theory. It does happen, we observe it every day. The Theory of Gravitation seeks to explain the observed phenomenon that is gravity.

[Farnhamia]

science deals in theory. not fact.

Not true. Science does deal in facts.

gravity, although yet to be disproven, is still referred to as theory.

Gravitation is a fact, not a theory. It does happen, we observe it every day. The Theory of Gravitation seeks to explain the observed phenomenon that is gravity.

Which is what "theory" most often means in a scientific context, "explanation." I wonder why that's so hard for people to understand.

[Wikkiwallana]

Everything

So would you consider your stance to more one of Solipsism or one of Pyrrhonism?

[Wikkiwallana]

Not true. Science does deal in facts.

Gravitation is a fact, not a theory. It does happen, we observe it every day. The Theory of Gravitation seeks to explain the observed phenomenon that is gravity.

Which is what "theory" most often means in a scientific context, "explanation." I wonder why that's so hard for people to understand.

Well, there's also the law of gravitation, which gives the mathematical formula to calculate the gravitational attraction between any two objects but offers no reason for why the attraction exists.

So gravity is both a fact and a theory depending on context.

[Farnhamia]

Which is what "theory" most often means in a scientific context, "explanation." I wonder why that's so hard for people to understand.

Well, there's also the law of gravitation, which gives the mathematical formula to calculate the gravitational attraction between any two objects but offers no reason for why the attraction exists.

So gravity is both a fact and a theory depending on context.

But ... but ... it can't be b-both ... next you'll tell me that light is both a wave and a particle, depending on context! Context, it's always context with you elite intellectuals!

[Bendira]

I know I'm going to regret this but ... how is one skeptical of racism?

i think it exists only so long as the media emphasizes that it exists. every other week it seems that CNN is exposing the torments of racism. most of the guys i work with are black and mexican. guess what few have ever experienced.... the racism that CNN says grips the nation. the only racism ive suffered from is people mistaking me for a mexican or italian instead of a mulatto. but, then again, i have suffered a sort of racism when i was in Manhattan as well as when i lived in Oceanside as well as Eau Claire. I was asked at least once a week by a stranger, upon learning where i was from, if i had been to any lynchings. They were also very curious about the race wars that go on down here.

what race wars? i grew up in the ghetto. i have many memories of chalk body outlines in my neighborhood, crack houses, police chases and shoot outs. i never recall i time however, when the parents of my black best friend blamed my mother (the white parent) for their problems. and they grew up during the 60s.

i think racism exists, in large part, as hype and propaganda. but remember, this is only my singular opinion.

Pretty much every time a black person leaves a room full of white people, he goes from being a black man to a nigger. Racism is still alive and well.