Green Street Elite22 wrote:Wouldn't it have been easier for God to make humans infallible at the moment of creation? Why does he have to punish us for his mistake? If God is omnipotent and omniscient, then he must not care enough to prevent such things from occuring. If God is omniscient and omnibenevolent, then he must not have the power to prevent our sins from occurring. If God is omnibenevolent and omnipotent, then he must not have had the foresight to know to make us infallible. If God is not omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, then is he really a god?
I don't understand why he would want to make us infallible.
So he wouldn't have the responsibility of punishing us for sins to which we were designed to be vulnerable.
I don't want to be infallible. God did what He did for a greater glory, which you don't seem to understand.
Kindly explain it.
This is a reasoning I heard. Accept or not, but it was interesting.
God created the angels to worship him and to be messengers. Angels are able to see God. Angels were created before us. They are not flesh and bones. Humans do not become angels when they die. They are ministering spirits. Angels seek to see what humans do out of their free will. Angels disguise themselves as humans to be entertain. Angles are a set number that will never be added too and they cannot be destroyed. Angels have always appeared to be adults, males, and fearful. They are stronger than men but not omnipotent. They are greater than man in knowledge, but not omniscient. They are more noble than man, but not omnipresent. Thus far this can be found in the bible. This is what is known.
So God created these creatures and they are able to see him, and he created them with free will like us. We learn later that some angels rebelled and were cast down. Their punishment is far greater then our punishment. Our punishment is death according to the judgement God gave Adam and Eve. "Death" being dormant in the grave. We know God cares because he clothed them, and that he promised the woman a seed that would crush the head of the serpent and save us. (This is what He wanted to do for His glory). He kept the tree of life so that we wouldn't be eternal beings in sin. Eternal being in sin have a far greater punishment.
Fallen angels known as demons cannot die according to the bible. They were created with everlasting life. But the reasoning is that God was able to give them a server punishment in the eternal lake of fire is because they saw him and knew him. The theory is that God told the fallen angles that He would create a creature that would serve him even though they can't see Him, and quite possibly God gave them permission to try to stop them (us) from serving Him. The Word (God) become flesh and died for our sins and conquered the grave ending the time of the fallen angles who were then cast into the eternal lake of fire where they spend eternity. And God saved us from our punishment of death (being dormant in the grave). When we die we automatically transition over to everlasting life with Him.
Why does God need to punish anybody at all? Why does not give us all salvation? Is he incapable? Is he ignorant? Is he apathetic? Is he even a god?
....So if this is so I would say your argument is invalid. What punishment are you talking about when God took care of it?
The punishment of an eternity in Hell, of being forced to die a gruesome death, or being forced to live in a world of atrocities.
Apologies for grammar errors. I've caught a few, but may have a few more.
No need to apologize. Grammatical errors have no impact on arguments, so I don't mind.
Green Street Elite22 wrote:Rokartian States wrote:So it was the 9/11 victims' fault that they were killed?
Who is able to say? Can you tell me? When God gave a 10% rule on how to save the world from hunger, thirst, nakedness, and urge us to love one another. If we are to do these things then such wickedness wouldn't happen. but don't think wickedness goes unnoticed. God judges the wicked before their death. It does not go unnoticed. David disobeyed God. God judged David, and told him that he would live by the sword for the rest of his days. David's own family hunted him down. David hid in caves begging God not to hide His face from Him. David committed adultly and God took away his son. David fasted, but God had made His judgement. God judges the wicked according to the Bible.
But why must God punish us for our sins? Why can he not forgive us? Why did he make is so vulnerable to temptation in the first place?