Is god real?

[Salandriagado]

Either there is a God, and evidently you have some purpose living, or their isn't, and all reasons for living cannot be justified.

I fail to see the need for a god to justify things.

[Sarkhaan]

As a disclaimer, I have not read any of the 34 pages of this thread.

Anyway, you first need to define "real". Are you asking if God exists somewhere as you and I do, where we could see Him, perhaps shake his hand and discuss Dogma? If so, no. I don't think he is real. Are you asking if he exists but as an intangible, like "love"? Perhaps, but doubtful. Or are you asking if he is real like Santa and so many other mythical beings that exist only in our stories and minds, but offer reassurance, perhaps some entertainment, maybe a little dash of fear?

That last one seems most likely to me.

[Lauchlin]

Dunno really, it tends to come down to what side of the bed I got out of on a given day.

Do people really put their beds so one side isn't against the wall?

Most people who sleep with other people keep the bed away from the wall.

[Sarkhaan]

Do people really put their beds so one side isn't against the wall?

Most people who sleep with other people keep the bed away from the wall.

You make it seem like people don't enjoy the 5 AM "I have to pee and you are a giant hurdle between me and the bathroom" interaction...

[Communist phil]

God do exist, we cannot truly claim that he or she exist because no one have even seen a God, But When there is no God, how can be possible that a cell can create a more complex and organized rational organism? Besides, How can we live in accordance with the harmony of life if there is no God?

[Sarkhaan]

God do exist, we cannot truly claim that he or she exist because no one have even seen a God, But When there is no God, how can be possible that a cell can create a more complex and organized rational organism? Besides, How can we live in accordance with the harmony of life if there is no God?

It is possible for single cells to begin living in colonies in the same way that complex life can move from solitary life to colonies.

One cell finds a bunch of cells like it. They don't eat each other, and so it is safe to be together. And, more importantly, when there's a bunch of them together, each one is less likely to be eaten by a predator. So now they all live in a big mass. But it's inefficient for each to be doing the same jobs to survive...so one gathers food, one transports food, etc. Presto...the early stages of complex life.

As for "how can we live in accordance with the harmony of life", I have no clue what that even means.

[Gelgisith]

There's a few gods i'm willing to believe are real, most notably the Great Dragon, but the Christian god is most definitively not one of them.

[Ashmoria]

As a disclaimer, I have not read any of the 34 pages of this thread.

Anyway, you first need to define "real". Are you asking if God exists somewhere as you and I do, where we could see Him, perhaps shake his hand and discuss Dogma? If so, no. I don't think he is real. Are you asking if he exists but as an intangible, like "love"? Perhaps, but doubtful. Or are you asking if he is real like Santa and so many other mythical beings that exist only in our stories and minds, but offer reassurance, perhaps some entertainment, maybe a little dash of fear?

That last one seems most likely to me.

you also have to define "god".

[Lyceia]

There's a few gods i'm willing to believe are real, most notably the Great Dragon, but the Christian god is most definitively not one of them.

On what grounds? If you declare excistence of one god, there must be eason why others don't exist

Personally, I do believe the god of monotheistic religions exists. However, it's been proven impossible to prove that He does/doesn't exist, and thus I consider His existence simply a matter of faith. If someone chooses to believe differently (but do note that there is a difference between believing and knowing) I understand, because his/hers faith is, well, faith, and thus as unreasonable as mine.

I do not, however, aprove if someone tries to prove something like this, or makes this matter something else than just a matter of faith. Atheism isn't supposed to be religion, which it pretty much seems to be to some of us, but on the other hand, some of the stuff I've heard from Fundamentalists, and other such groups is pretty much against the bible and teachings of Jesus Christ.

[Volnotova]

As a disclaimer, I have not read any of the 34 pages of this thread.

Anyway, you first need to define "real". Are you asking if God exists somewhere as you and I do, where we could see Him, perhaps shake his hand and discuss Dogma? If so, no. I don't think he is real. Are you asking if he exists but as an intangible, like "love"? Perhaps, but doubtful. Or are you asking if he is real like Santa and so many other mythical beings that exist only in our stories and minds, but offer reassurance, perhaps some entertainment, maybe a little dash of fear?

That last one seems most likely to me.

I think we do not need to define real, I think we first need to define god.

What is god? Is it an it? A she? A he? Is everywhere or does it sit on a throne in the sky? Are there more "gods"?

And once we do that I suggest that we also provide proof to back it up(and no, the "without god there could be no complexity" nonsense is not allowed).

But ofcourse I am asking the impossible here, because we can't define god(s), as god(s) is a/are supernatural "thing(s)" and thus beyond our realm and imagination.

The supposed existance of god(s) is based on nothing but faith(something exists/is true because I feel it exists/is true) therefore at the end on this thread(and even if it lasts a several thousand pages) we will still not have defined god and there will still be people that say there is a god simply because they feel there is(faith).

This thread(and its question) is futile.

[Ashmoria]

As a disclaimer, I have not read any of the 34 pages of this thread.

Anyway, you first need to define "real". Are you asking if God exists somewhere as you and I do, where we could see Him, perhaps shake his hand and discuss Dogma? If so, no. I don't think he is real. Are you asking if he exists but as an intangible, like "love"? Perhaps, but doubtful. Or are you asking if he is real like Santa and so many other mythical beings that exist only in our stories and minds, but offer reassurance, perhaps some entertainment, maybe a little dash of fear?

That last one seems most likely to me.

I think we do not need to define real, I think we first need to define god.

What is god? Is it an it? A she? A he? Is everywhere or does it sit on a throne in the sky? Are there more "gods"?

And once we do that I suggest that we also provide proof to back it up(and no, the "without god there could be no complexity" nonsense is not allowed).

But ofcourse I am asking the impossible here, because we can't define god(s), as god(s) is a/are supernatural "thing(s)" and thus beyond our realm and imagination.

The supposed existance of god(s) is based on nothing but faith(something exists/is true because I feel it exists/is true) therefore at the end on this thread(and even if it lasts a several thousand pages) we will still not have defined god and there will still be people that say there is a god simply because they feel there is(faith).

This thread(and its question) is futile.

very true

but

can an entity that exists everywhere and everywhen, inside and outside the natural world be consided a part of reality and thus REAL?

can it even be said to "exist"?

[Dyakovo]

atheism is selfish due to the fact you people think that you are the most powerful being on earth.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

[Dyakovo]

And you know this how?

I dont, that is what religion is. and there is actually more proof at there being some outside interfering force than there is of your crock theory of atheism.

Really?
1: What exactly is the "theory of atheism"
2: What proof exists for an outside interfering force?

[Dyakovo]

Yep.

God hasn't been proven. Thus, in the grand old fashion of Science, my answer would have to be "I dunno. Need more data." I am on on the fence between Deism and Agnosticism.

Well you could be an Athiest Agnostic agnostic atheist which means you do not beleive in god but do not know there is one

Fixed. Agnostic is the modifier.

[Dyakovo]

I would hardly say the likliehood of the existence of God compares to the likliehood of the exsitence of your bowl of cereal.

Why not?

Because your bowl of cereal does/did exist?

[Dyakovo]

Is Santa real?

Check. Mate.

Not really a check or a mate. There is no relation between whether Santa is real and whether or not a deity is.

[Azaca]

Absolutely. I owe my life to God.

no you owe you're life to complete chance but many people call that chance god for some reason

[Azaca]

God do exist, we cannot truly claim that he or she exist because no one have even seen a God, But When there is no God, how can be possible that a cell can create a more complex and organized rational organism? Besides, How can we live in accordance with the harmony of life if there is no God?

you are not a true communist sir

[Dyakovo]

Absolutely. I owe my life to God.

In what way?

[Azaca]

if god is real let me die instantly of a heart attack unless you're scared of me god in that case hand over you're kingdom and let a real man run this place

so randomly killing people makes you a man? if god was going to randomly kill people, he would have killed kim jong il or the leadership of iran a long time ago.

no but killing those that question you're power will make others believe if i were god anyone that spoke out would be condemned to death thats how just about anyone would rule the world and if you say you wouldn't you're lying

[Tim-Opolis]

My belief is that god does not exist. It's illogical and after reading the entire bible was when I went from Catholicism to Atheism.... Now, this argument could be argued either way but there is more proof to evolution than there is to creationism.... I mean am I seriously going to believe that I am a sinner because 3000 years ago a the first woman was convinced to eat a magic fruit off of a magical tree by an evil talking snake.... I personally think that when the bible was written, everybody was on crack. Religion is failing and if you'll notice, the churches are getting really desperate (just look at the Vatican). They're trying everything to stay in power. Thats all the churches ever wanted. Look how they preach to you about not doing a bunch of this crap like stealing and adultery (having sex but not being married), but then the service ends and they go get themselves a hooker. The church is a bunch of hypocrites, and I'm not insulting them out of hate but out of fact. I mean seriously. We're supposed to listen to a group of people that jailed Galileo for claiming the Earth was round and only in 1978 did they admit that he was right. The church is relying on old ties like divine creationism to prove right once again even though the fossils are right there to prove everything.... They say the earth is no more than a million years old.... So you are telling me that carbon dating lies? No, just some of the stuff that the bible says contradicts all logic.... So there was Adam and Eve.... They had kids.... What then. The bible openly speak out against incest even though that is the only way the human race could have grown if thats the way its claimed....

I say GOD IS NOT REAL....

The prosecution rests

[Georgism]

Do people really put their beds so one side isn't against the wall?

Aye, my bed is actually a sofa bed, with the sofa being set in an indent in a wall. So when I fold it out to make a bed, there is room on either side to get out.

[Azaca]

and it's funny when Christians make fun of other religions their like "oh you believe in Scientology that's stupid I'm going to read my bible and then the talking snake said eat the magic fruit and you'll become as smart as the bearded man in the sky who created you out of crap he found lying around"

[Georgism]

and it's funny when Christians make fun of other religions their like "oh you believe in Scientology that's stupid I'm going to read my bible and then the talking snake said eat the magic fruit and you'll become as smart as the bearded man in the sky who created you out of crap he found lying around"

To be fair, at least Christianity wasn't made up by a science fiction author who once said this:

Y'know, we're all wasting our time writing this hack science fiction! You wanta make real money, you gotta start a religion!

[Azaca]

and it's funny when Christians make fun of other religions their like "oh you believe in Scientology that's stupid I'm going to read my bible and then the talking snake said eat the magic fruit and you'll become as smart as the bearded man in the sky who created you out of crap he found lying around"

To be fair, at least Christianity wasn't made up by a science fiction author who once said this:

Y'know, we're all wasting our time writing this hack science fiction! You wanta make real money, you gotta start a religion!

true but it was started by a drug addict who else thinks of a talking snake