Is god real?

[Nazistisches Reich]

No its not, because theres religons which deny certain people of having sex yet their bodys urge them and next thing you know their raping little boys. Theres also religons which make you fast for a day even though your body is required to have a certain amount of calories each day. Theres also religons which say its a sin to check out another woman while your in a relationship its considered adultery. theres alot of things that religon does which fucks up your life, its not like you can just worship the god of a certain religon and go okay now Im all set.

People do choose what they wish to believe. As for the sex, becoming a Catholic priest is fully one's choice, and they can actually resign when they want to.

If you're referencing Ramadan with the fasting, Muslims are permitted to eat once the sun's down, and usually they do this in abundance.

As for me, being a Lutheran has done literally nothing negative to me.

Really? Have you had sex before marriage? Have you looked at porn? Have you done other things your religon does not permit?

[Nort Eurasia]

Neither. Why do you assume I'm trying to be ironic or that I'm mocking you?

One the way it was worded, two that woldn't be the first time someone said something like that in this thread, and finally, according to your own words, you're an ***hole. If I was wrong, than sorry for bringing it up.

It's okay. I forgive you.

[Zetion]

my guess how this is going to turn out
phase one: people state opinions
phase two:arguments begin
phase three: any proof for either side is frogotten as both sides hurl insults at each other
phase four: thread is locked

Neither. Why do you assume I'm trying to be ironic or that I'm mocking you?

One the way it was worded, two that woldn't be the first time someone said something like that in this thread, and finally, according to your own words, you're an ***hole. If I was wrong, than sorry for bringing it up.

Oh shit. Phase 3

[The Murtunian Tribes]

my guess how this is going to turn out
phase one: people state opinions
phase two:arguments begin
phase three: any proof for either side is frogotten as both sides hurl insults at each other
phase four: thread is locked

One the way it was worded, two that woldn't be the first time someone said something like that in this thread, and finally, according to your own words, you're an ***hole. If I was wrong, than sorry for bringing it up.

Oh shit. Phase 3

No worries. It's all good now.

[Zetion]

I was rather enjoying phase three.
These threads turn sour when the people who claim to
"know god"
"talk to god"
or otherwise are assholes about their religion show up, and preach/talk down to anyone not of their faith.

[Kingdom-democracy]

I have an example why I don't believe in god.

God made the earth in three days, according tot he bible, however he made the sun the moon and the stars in one day. I might be able to believe that at the rate he was going he could have made the moon in one day, but the sun is over 1,000 times more massive then the earth, therefore it should have taken more then 3,000 days to create the sun alone! let alone the trillions of other stars, there is no way that he could have done that all in one day!

I agree lol that's funny way of putting it but people could argue that god is also supreme. But you'd think that all the quadtrillion stars in the universe would take longer then one little planet it's crazy saying it took 1 day to make all those stars. If anyone has read the bible though they've herd of god seeing 10000 years like 1. But still stars would most curtinely take longer to make

[Zetion]

I have an example why I don't believe in god.

God made the earth in three days, according tot he bible, however he made the sun the moon and the stars in one day. I might be able to believe that at the rate he was going he could have made the moon in one day, but the sun is over 1,000 times more massive then the earth, therefore it should have taken more then 3,000 days to create the sun alone! let alone the trillions of other stars, there is no way that he could have done that all in one day!

I agree lol that's funny way of putting it but people could argue that god is also supreme. But you'd think that all the quadtrillion stars in the universe would take longer then one little planet it's crazy saying it took 1 day to make all those stars. If anyone has read the bible though they've herd of god seeing 10000 years like 1. But still stars would most curtinely take longer to make

A day is a day and 10000 years is 10000 years.
Anyother argument is just special-fucking-pleading.
That and circular logic seem to be christianitys best arguments

[ALMF]

Yes he is real. It doesn't matter what religion you are, as long as you celebrate a god. atheism is selfish, to believe there is no other higher power. That is merely impossible. there must be something, whether a god, or a collection of them. even an interdementional being.

not imposable: practically curtain.
it is faith that is selfish also inherently genocidal.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

I agree lol that's funny way of putting it but people could argue that god is also supreme. But you'd think that all the quadtrillion stars in the universe would take longer then one little planet it's crazy saying it took 1 day to make all those stars. If anyone has read the bible though they've herd of god seeing 10000 years like 1. But still stars would most curtinely take longer to make

A day is a day and 10000 years is 10000 years.
Anyother argument is just special-fucking-pleading.
That and circular logic seem to be christianitys best arguments

Actually, as God didn't create the Sun until the 4th(5th?) day, there's no reference point to determine how long a day was before that? Besides I think we can all agree that people who take the Bible as literal fact are... unimaginative, to say the least.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Yes he is real. It doesn't matter what religion you are, as long as you celebrate a god. atheism is selfish, to believe there is no other higher power. That is merely impossible. there must be something, whether a god, or a collection of them. even an interdementional being.

not imposable: practically curtain.
it is faith that is selfish also inherently genocidal.

We already pioneered this. What followed was at least 6 pages of extra-dimensional insanity. Please, PLEASE don't go down this road again. I WILL have to kill you.

[ALMF]

Why can't you say that about space and time?

Because its part of creation. God exists outside of creation.

space and time must be created because they were created: that's called begging the question.

[Zetion]

A day is a day and 10000 years is 10000 years.
Anyother argument is just special-fucking-pleading.
That and circular logic seem to be christianitys best arguments

Actually, as God didn't create the Sun until the 4th(5th?) day, there's no reference point to determine how long a day was before that? Besides I think we can all agree that people who take the Bible as literal fact are... unimaginative, to say the least.

So then why write a day?
It would have gone smoother saying, "And God created the Earth and Heavens in a long, arbitrary amount of time".
And yes, basing your entire life off of a book aimed at comforting/getting people to conform written 2000 years ago seems rather shortsighted.

[FREEaquaticdancelesson]

Just got back from Church for the first time in years.

Knowing (or "believing") that there is no God made the experience that more enjoyable.

I saw that people came together, out of the goodness of their own hearts, to support an institution that was made to try and put love into their hearts.
I realized that the message of loving "God" with all your heart gave you something that you could always love no matter what, and that this feeling of comfort helped people love themselves and each other.
And best of all, I saw that they did this, without the help of a God.

There are thousands of confident religions out there, many were made before the monotheism was invented. How can you be so sure that YOURS is the right one? There's factual evidence supporting that there were many proto-religions before any modern religion formed... meaning religion evolved... meaning that it was invented by humans.

Religion is the answer to the question our ancestors have always asked. "Why is there lightning?, How do animals move, while rocks cannot?, How was everything created", they only answered these through religion because they had no answers, but now we CAN answer these questions, we can understand and enjoy the universe to its fullest intent, I believe that those who are ready should leave their religion and help humans evolve.

But most people aren't ready to believe in a simple existence, they feel a powerful need to solve their questions of existence, and they need a simple answer so that they need not lie awake at night, asking these questions.

I'm sorry, but there isn't a God in my opinion, but don't let that stop you from telling me to screw off and go ahead and believe in whatever comforts you. Seriously, your beliefs are just as good as mine.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Actually, as God didn't create the Sun until the 4th(5th?) day, there's no reference point to determine how long a day was before that? Besides I think we can all agree that people who take the Bible as literal fact are... unimaginative, to say the least.

So then why write a day?
It would have gone smoother saying, "And God created the Earth and Heavens in a long, arbitrary amount of time".
And yes, basing your entire life off of a book aimed at comforting/getting people to conform written 2000 years ago seems rather shortsighted.

Short answer? It doesn't carry the same "oomph" to it. Remember, it's literature. Not a timeline.

[ALMF]

then you provide the other proof. We cant know till we die, and then either I will be laughing as you burn in hell, or i wont be laughing at all because apparently there is no afterlife. real nice outlook on life ol' boy.

Religion has to provide the proof, because it is stating that god exists.

true but redundant: the clame of exsistance requires proof is an axiom of reason.

[Zetion]

But why found a cult religion from some literature book?
You get the feeling that someone was a huge fan of this book and took it too far?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Religion has to provide the proof, because it is stating that god exists.

true but redundant: the clame of exsistance requires proof is an axiom of reason.

Like I said we went down this road. Pages 25 or 26-33. This has been debated from every possible, and some impossible, angles.

[Zetion]

Religion has to provide the proof, because it is stating that god exists.

true but redundant: the clame of exsistance requires proof is an axiom of reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

[The Murtunian Tribes]

But why found a cult religion from some literature book?
You get the feeling that someone was a huge fan of this book and took it too far?

Well...that is LOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGGGGGG story. And I think the religions outdate the book. Judaism predates Genesis, Christianty predates the New Testament.

[Hornopolis]

Is Santa real?

Check. Mate.

[Zetion]

But why found a cult religion from some literature book?
You get the feeling that someone was a huge fan of this book and took it too far?

Well...that is LOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGGGGGG story. And I think the religions outdate the book. Judaism predates Genesis, Christianty predates the New Testament.

Interesting

[The Murtunian Tribes]

true but redundant: the clame of exsistance requires proof is an axiom of reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

To be fair, that's a lame reason to say you won a debate, when neither side has any proof of anything.

[ALMF]

As with an individual perception there are infinitely many more ways it could be wrong than right, by Bayesian analysis, it's right. Always.

Nonsense. Since there are infinitely many more ways it could be wrong than right, it is essentially a statistical certainty that our perception is wrong.

Statistical theory agrees.
In the same way any truly random list of a finite number of real or complex numbers contains no integers.
Unless of corse there are an infinite number of ways to be right of the same order of infinity: anyone have a bijection?

[ALMF]

Nonsense. Since there are infinitely many more ways it could be wrong than right, it is essentially a statistical certainty that our perception is wrong.

A bullet can fly literally infinite ways. Yet, quite often, it'll hit its mark. Funny how that works, ainnit?

the aria a bullet can land in given its powder lode is a multiple of its cover aria ie. same order infinity.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Nonsense. Since there are infinitely many more ways it could be wrong than right, it is essentially a statistical certainty that our perception is wrong.

Statistical theory agrees.
In the same way any truly random list of a finite number of real or complex numbers contains no integers.
Unless of corse there are an infinite number of ways to be right of the same order of infinity: anyone have a bijection?

Theoretically anything is possible, however ridiculously unlikely.