Is god real?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

If it does not require absolute certainty, then how do you claim that God does not exist?

How can you claim that he may or may not exist?

Because that statement is not definitive.

[Nort Eurasia]

How can you claim that he may or may not exist?

Because that statement is not definitive.

I know.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

If it does not require absolute certainty, then how do you claim that God does not exist?

I don't. I claim that it is infinitesimal in probability. Thus, for absolutely any practical measure, it's not true. Strictly speaking, this isn't an absolute proof, but it's as close as one can get to proof without being proof.

So you don't know?

[Unhealthy2]

So you don't know?

Not by your absurd definition of knowledge. But I know to the same extent that I know my car exists and that the bowl of cereal I'm about to make exists.

[Nazistisches Reich]

There could be a god that punishes believers and rewards atheists. There could be a god that punishes people for believing in the wrong religion. Plus, most religions aren't just you believe and that's it. Most demand something from you, money, time, etc.

And if we are wrong, are we really losing anything? Is happiness, the belief that there is an afterlife for us, something that convinces us that there's something good, not worth the time/money? It's peace of mind, almost. Insurance, if you will.

No its not, because theres religons which deny certain people of having sex yet their bodys urge them and next thing you know their raping little boys. Theres also religons which make you fast for a day even though your body is required to have a certain amount of calories each day. Theres also religons which say its a sin to check out another woman while your in a relationship its considered adultery. theres alot of things that religon does which fucks up your life, its not like you can just worship the god of a certain religon and go okay now Im all set.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Because that statement is not definitive.

I know.

K....that was a waste of three perfectly good posts.

[The Grand World Order]

So you don't know?

Not by your absurd definition of knowledge. But I know to the same extent that I know my car exists and that the bowl of cereal I'm about to make exists.

Or is it merely perception, and you simply think you're doing it?

this is becoming redundant

[The Murtunian Tribes]

So you don't know?

Not by your absurd definition of knowledge. But I know to the same extent that I know my car exists and that the bowl of cereal I'm about to make exists.

I would hardly say the likliehood of the existence of God compares to the likliehood of the exsitence of your bowl of cereal. Assuming of course you actually are making one and this isn't some really weird ironic joke.

[Unhealthy2]

Or is it merely perception, and you simply think you're doing it?

this is becoming redundant

Why is it that god is the only thing people seem to demand absolute proof on either way in order to claim knowledge? Nobody demands absolute proof to say that they know Obama is the president. No one demands absolute certainty for claims that Canada exists. Why is this solipsism stuff only ever brought up in the context of god debates?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Not by your absurd definition of knowledge. But I know to the same extent that I know my car exists and that the bowl of cereal I'm about to make exists.

Or is it merely perception, and you simply think you're doing it?

this is becoming redundant

At least the Mods didn't lock the thread down. It was an interesting talk.

[The Grand World Order]

No its not, because theres religons which deny certain people of having sex yet their bodys urge them and next thing you know their raping little boys. Theres also religons which make you fast for a day even though your body is required to have a certain amount of calories each day. Theres also religons which say its a sin to check out another woman while your in a relationship its considered adultery. theres alot of things that religon does which fucks up your life, its not like you can just worship the god of a certain religon and go okay now Im all set.

People do choose what they wish to believe. As for the sex, becoming a Catholic priest is fully one's choice, and they can actually resign when they want to.

If you're referencing Ramadan with the fasting, Muslims are permitted to eat once the sun's down, and usually they do this in abundance.

As for me, being a Lutheran has done literally nothing negative to me.

[Unhealthy2]

I would hardly say the likliehood of the existence of God compares to the likliehood of the exsitence of your bowl of cereal.

Why not?

[Nort Eurasia]

I know.

K....that was a waste of three perfectly good posts.

Yeah. I could have been outside spreading the word of God, which is a much better use of my time.

[Soheran]

Of course not. Don't be silly.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Or is it merely perception, and you simply think you're doing it?

this is becoming redundant

Why is it that god is the only thing people seem to demand absolute proof on either way in order to claim knowledge? Nobody demands absolute proof to say that they know Obama is the president. No one demands absolute certainty for claims that Canada exists. Why is this solipsism stuff only ever brought up in the context of god debates?

Like you said, while it may not actually be true, for all practical intents and purposes it is, unless we all wake up tomorrow and find out we were living in the Matrix or something (another possible nature of God ). However, the same does not apply to God, since no one directly percieves him, or those that do stay very quiet about it.

[The Grand World Order]

Or is it merely perception, and you simply think you're doing it?

this is becoming redundant

Why is it that god is the only thing people seem to demand absolute proof on either way in order to claim knowledge? Nobody demands absolute proof to say that they know Obama is the president. No one demands absolute certainty for claims that Canada exists. Why is this solipsism stuff only ever brought up in the context of god debates?

I don't merely bring it up in God debates, TBH I rarely actually engage in religious debate. And obviously, I don't bring it up in political discussion, cause that isn't an argument favored by many people, and I do speak on the populist platform (i.e. Everyman's got to understand what I'm saying) in RL.

Anyone who knows me in RL (which is none of you, of course) could tell you that quite often I state, "Things are as you perceive, don't ruin it."

[The Murtunian Tribes]

K....that was a waste of three perfectly good posts.

Yeah. I could have been outside spreading the word of God, which is a much better use of my time.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

No, there is only one god

THE EMPEROR OF MAN! WORSHIP THE GOD EMPEROR!

[Nort Eurasia]

Yeah. I could have been outside spreading the word of God, which is a much better use of my time.

What?

[Zeth Rekia]

No, there is only one god

THE EMPEROR OF MAN! WORSHIP THE GOD EMPEROR!

I hate the thought of any sentient being being worshiped by another sentient being. It's disgusting.
Though, worshiping an idea such as god... That is simply retarded.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

What?

Are you saying that I am trying to spread the word of God, or are you just being ironic?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

No, there is only one god

THE EMPEROR OF MAN! WORSHIP THE GOD EMPEROR!

I hate the thought of any sentient being being worshiped by another sentient being. It's disgusting.
Though, worshiping an idea such as god... That is simply retarded.

KILL THE HERETIC!

"For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor has sat unmoving on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the master of mankind by the will of the gods and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand souls die every day, for whom blood is drunk and flesh eaten. Human blood and human flesh - the stuff of which the Imperium is made. (...) Forget the power of technology, science and common humanity. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter and the laughter of thirsting gods."

[The Black Plains]

I hope.

[Nort Eurasia]

What?

Are you saying that I am trying to spread the word of God, or are you just being ironic?

Neither. Why do you assume I'm trying to be ironic or that I'm mocking you?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Are you saying that I am trying to spread the word of God, or are you just being ironic?

Neither. Why do you assume I'm trying to be ironic or that I'm mocking you?

One the way it was worded, two that woldn't be the first time someone said something like that in this thread, and finally, according to your own words, you're an ***hole. If I was wrong, than sorry for bringing it up.