Is god real?

[Unhealthy2]

Don't the probabilities of all possible outcomes always add to one?

Yes.

[The Grand World Order]

God does not exist. Ignorant, emotionally unstable people often turn to "God" in times of trouble and uncertainty. These people are weak and gullible. They want comfort, they want justification and order in their lives. They are uncomfortable for their own insignificance. They feel what most human beings feel about the universe and all its complexity; curiosity. Their minds, essentially, are small, febble and unable to comprehend the intricacy of the universe. Or they do understand, but do not see it as what they want it to be. So they instead find comfort and stability in one set, yet indoctrinated "maxim". The people that fall for this scheme are either desultory or incredulous to reality. When faced with this truth, the empirically observed and logical truth, they petulantly become obstinate and, oddly enough, inaudible to any rationality. Why? Because without their "God", they believe their life is worthless, without meaning or purpose. Without that comfort, they lose the delusion of being eternal. And without that, they begin to see that life is just that; life. And when this truth arises, they see that it is lackluster and unfullfilling. And when they become aware of this cold realization, they lose all sense of guidance. The irony of the situation is that they know this. They, like all other humans, have doubts in their convictions. They know that they are living a lie, a comforting lie, but a lie nevertheless. But, that's my arrogant opinion. So, who really cares about it?

You speak of religious people (such as myself) as weak and unable to comprehend the "intricacies of the universe."

Based on your post, you are stating that if religion == TRUE, ability to comprehend the universe == FALSE. This would mean else, ability to comprehend the universe == TRUE. This is, of course, only taking your stated variables into account. Thus, are you implying that all atheists, including yourself, are fully capable of understanding the entire workings of the universe?

Or is the understanding of the universe dependent on another variable, and thereby you are wrong?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Actually, in that case, there really are only two possibilities. Thus, the probabilities must add to one.

Don't the probabilities of all possible outcomes always add to one?

Those two possibilites are just the most readily understood and were the most appropriate at the time. And yes the probabilities of all outcomes do add to 1, but the problem is that there are usually infinite outcomes.

[Unhealthy2]

I find that to be a rather closed-minded answer.

No it isn't. Reality is that which exists. Asking about whether things that exist don't exist is a meaningless question.

Reality may or may not exist.

Anything that doesn't exist is by definition not real, and therefore not part of reality.

After all reality is perception,

No it isn't. Perception OF reality and actual reality are two different things.

Therefore reality is subjective.

No it isn't. PERCEPTION OF reality is subjective. Reality itself is not.

We have a near logical paradox in this situation.

Only because you're confused about the difference between the perception of an object and the object itself.

[Unhealthy2]

but the problem is that there are usually infinite outcomes.

Which isn't a problem at all if you understand measure and integration theory.

[The Grand World Order]

No it isn't, because you're ignoring the coupling of these facts with the fact that we have absolutely no empirical or rational reason to believe in god. The arbitrariness of the belief is an essential aspect of the argument.

Ah, that was his point, fair enough. Having not read the entire thing from page one, I was assuming something else.

Sure, and people get struck by lightning, and sometimes one out of every trillion trillion neutrinos passing through the earth actually interacts with a particle. That doesn't mean that it's smart to place a wager on these things as even remotely likely.

"Wager on?" What precisely is someone wagering when they follow a religion, from an atheist viewpoint?

[Rokartian States]

I'm fairly certain the law of inertia prevents the bullet from spontaneously veering off in any one direction.

What about air resistance?

Air resistance isn't strong enough to make a bullet suddenly make a right turn mid-flight.

I'm fairly certain the law of inertia prevents the bullet from spontaneously veering off in any one direction.

Yes, presuming you're in some sort of magical no-force vacuum of some sorts, which would have other adverse effects but I digress.

There are infinite things that could indeed cause said bullet to veer off on a different course. Therefore, there are infinite possibilities that a bullet would fly off sporadically.

Could you, perhaps, name some of these possibilities?

[Nort Eurasia]

God does not exist. Ignorant, emotionally unstable people often turn to "God" in times of trouble and uncertainty. These people are weak and gullible. They want comfort, they want justification and order in their lives. They are uncomfortable for their own insignificance. They feel what most human beings feel about the universe and all its complexity; curiosity. Their minds, essentially, are small, febble and unable to comprehend the intricacy of the universe. Or they do understand, but do not see it as what they want it to be. So they instead find comfort and stability in one set, yet indoctrinated "maxim". The people that fall for this scheme are either desultory or incredulous to reality. When faced with this truth, the empirically observed and logical truth, they petulantly become obstinate and, oddly enough, inaudible to any rationality. Why? Because without their "God", they believe their life is worthless, without meaning or purpose. Without that comfort, they lose the delusion of being eternal. And without that, they begin to see that life is just that; life. And when this truth arises, they see that it is lackluster and unfullfilling. And when they become aware of this cold realization, they lose all sense of guidance. The irony of the situation is that they know this. They, like all other humans, have doubts in their convictions. They know that they are living a lie, a comforting lie, but a lie nevertheless. But, that's my arrogant opinion. So, who really cares about it?

You speak of religious people (such as myself) as weak and unable to comprehend the "intricacies of the universe."

Based on your post, you are stating that if religion == TRUE, ability to comprehend the universe == FALSE. This would mean else, ability to comprehend the universe == TRUE. This is, of course, only taking your stated variables into account. Thus, are you implying that all atheists, including yourself, are fully capable of understanding the entire workings of the universe?

Or is the understanding of the universe dependent on another variable, and thereby you are wrong?

Listen. I contradict myself often. I'm an arrogant asshole, I don't care == meaning I don't give two fucks what their opinion is.

[Unhealthy2]

"Wager on?" What precisely is someone wagering when they follow a religion, from an atheist viewpoint?

The incredibly minute probability that not only does god exist, he's also the kind of god that punishes you for not worshiping him.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

I find that to be a rather closed-minded answer.

No it isn't. Reality is that which exists. Asking about whether things that exist don't exist is a meaningless question.

Reality may or may not exist.

Anything that doesn't exist is by definition not real, and therefore not part of reality.

After all reality is perception,

No it isn't. Perception OF reality and actual reality are two different things.

Therefore reality is subjective.

No it isn't. PERCEPTION OF reality is subjective. Reality itself is not.

We have a near logical paradox in this situation.

Only because you're confused about the difference between the perception of an object and the object itself.

No I am not cofused. And it is not a meaningless question, except in the sense it's impossible to answer. However, assuming that there is a definitive reality beyond our own, it would be absolute, infallible, and (assuming the possibility of the simultaneousness of time), all knowing. Therefore the absolute Universe itself, could, in fact, be God

Note: Not necessarily what I may or may not believe.

[Norstal]

What about air resistance?

Air resistance isn't strong enough to make a bullet suddenly make a right turn mid-flight.

Well its not gonna make it go right instantly, but it will shift it to the right or at least, its influence will be infinitesimal.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

but the problem is that there are usually infinite outcomes.

Which isn't a problem at all if you understand measure and integration theory.

Well, no it's not a problem, per se. It just means it's impossible to cover all possibilities.

[Ifreann]

Don't the probabilities of all possible outcomes always add to one?

Yes.

Well, then your "Thus..." doesn't really work.

[Unhealthy2]

No I am not cofused. And it is not a meaningless question, except in the sense it's impossible to answer. However, assuming that there is a definitive reality beyond our own, it would be absolute, infallible, and (assuming the possibility of the simultaneousness of time), all knowing. Therefore the absolute Universe itself, could, in fact, be God

Note: Not necessarily what I may or may not believe.

Something necessarily exists. The very fact that perception is happening means that it must be based upon something. It could be based completely on lies, but the very fact that it is happening means that it is based upon something. Thus, something exists. Thus, reality is there, because reality is necessarily defined as "that which exists," and seeing as how something has to exist, reality has to exist.

Why would reality have to be "all-knowing"? Why would it have to have the capacity to think or know anything at all?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Air resistance isn't strong enough to make a bullet suddenly make a right turn mid-flight.

Well its not gonna make it go right instantly, but it will shift it to the right or at least, its influence will be infinitesimal.

What if a wormhole opens in front of it?

[Unhealthy2]

It just means it's impossible to cover all possibilities.

No, it's not impossible, hence the integration theory I just talked about.

[The Grand World Order]

Could you, perhaps, name some of these possibilities?

Gravity, wind, other atmospheric effects?

Just because it doesn't happen here on Earth doesn't mean it's not something that could very well happen somewhere else in the universe. Suppose you had the ability to fire a bullet, and it skimmed the event horizon of a black hole while on its way towards something else? And then, the next bullet, assuming you had the firearm perfectly in place after the shot and could make sure the condition was the same somehow, fails to hit the event horizon?

[Norstal]

Well its not gonna make it go right instantly, but it will shift it to the right or at least, its influence will be infinitesimal.

What if a wormhole opens in front of it?

Then you shouldn't be shooting in the LHC in the first place.

The chances of a wormhole opening there is low. Its a possibility, but of low probability. Besides, I thought I was supporting your theory.

[The Grand World Order]

"Wager on?" What precisely is someone wagering when they follow a religion, from an atheist viewpoint?

The incredibly minute probability that not only does god exist, he's also the kind of god that punishes you for not worshiping him.

And for believing in him, what are we losing, should the wager be lost?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

No I am not cofused. And it is not a meaningless question, except in the sense it's impossible to answer. However, assuming that there is a definitive reality beyond our own, it would be absolute, infallible, and (assuming the possibility of the simultaneousness of time), all knowing. Therefore the absolute Universe itself, could, in fact, be God

Note: Not necessarily what I may or may not believe.

Something necessarily exists. The very fact that perception is happening means that it must be based upon something. It could be based completely on lies, but the very fact that it is happening means that it is based upon something. Thus, something exists. Thus, reality is there, because reality is necessarily defined as "that which exists," and seeing as how something has to exist, reality has to exist.

Why would reality have to be "all-knowing"? Why would it have to have the capacity to think or know anything at all?

Well that depends on the definition of exists. And no one said It had to be omniscient. First of all you will note the word "assuming" in that argument. Second since we're talking about God, I'm not going to presume that God "thinks" in the conventional sense of the word. The point I'm trying to make is that there more possibilites than God doesn't exist or HE(defined as a divine being) does exist.

[Unhealthy2]

And for believing in him, what are we losing, should the wager be lost?

There could be a god that punishes believers and rewards atheists. There could be a god that punishes people for believing in the wrong religion. Plus, most religions aren't just you believe and that's it. Most demand something from you, money, time, etc.

[East Zamunda]

I find it really obnoxious of anyone to think that God exists or does not exist. We are humans, so the reality of the universe, in its infinite complexity, cannot be determined by us. As both our mind and senses are fallible, we simply cannot know anything for certain apart from the fact that we ourselves exist (cogito ergo sum, I think therefore I am). Indeed, I may be the only thing in existence at all and because of my loneliness I may be imagining everything. There is no way you can prove me wrong from my point of view since you cannot convince me that you think with an absolute certainty.

In other words: We can't tell anyway, so there's absolutely no point in wasting our time discussing it.

[Unhealthy2]

The point I'm trying to make is that there more possibilites than God doesn't exist or HE(defined as a divine being) does exist.

Only because you're playing equivocation games with the word "god," redefining it throughout your argument but acting as if you're proving something.

[Greed and Death]

Sure god real, Thor real, water spirit real why can't god be real ?

[The Murtunian Tribes]

What if a wormhole opens in front of it?

Then you shouldn't be shooting in the LHC in the first place.

The chances of a wormhole opening there is low. Its a possibility, but of low probability. Besides, I thought I was supporting your theory.

Low probability is possible. Therefore the bullet has an infinite number of directions. That's all I'm saying. And the only theory I have is that no one here knows anything, nor can claim too.