Is god real?

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

With the suffering that goes on in this world, I can not believe that a God exists. If I turn out to be wrong and spend an eternity in hell, so be it I will defy Satan for eternity. Science, as anyone who actually has had the chance to educate themselves will see that in every science class the teacher or professor states that science can not prove religion. Why religious people have to argue about it and say that things like evolution makes no sense, I do not know, but you can die by not getting your vaccinations and letting a mutation in a virus(which is a factor of evolution) kill you off. As for the reason why you should live, you should live to be remembered and have people look to your way of life as a reason to continue on.

A Boy wrote a letter to God that read "God, why do you let bad things happen in our schools?" God replied, "Son, I am not allowed in your schools".

Consider that for a moment.

But God lets bad things happen because it makes us stronger.

[Rokartian States]

That's not my point. Replace God with ANYTHING. Seriously. The entire universe proves the existence of the real divinity, robot Dwarf unicorn puppies. Disprove it. Try.

Therefore in your world "robot Dwarf unicorn puppies" equates to "God". It is merely a matter of semantics. You can call the creator of the universe anything you want. That does not diminish His existence.

That's not what he's saying. You could describe the Almighty Robot Dwarf Unicorn Puppies as malevolent beings who created the Universe and introduced evil to it for their own pleasure. That's not your god, is it?

[Science-Oriented Scots]

That's not my point. Replace God with ANYTHING. Seriously. The entire universe proves the existence of the real divinity, robot Dwarf unicorn puppies. Disprove it. Try.

Therefore in your world "robot Dwarf unicorn puppies" equates to "God". It is merely a matter of semantics. You can call the creator of the universe anything you want. That does not diminish His existence.

But robot Dwarf unicorn puppies are nothing like your God. They do not create. They are not bound by any sort of laws. They merely exist outside the realm of everything and affect nothing. The universe proves their existence because how could the universe not exist without some sort of divine beings?!

That is what you argument sounds like to me. I'm not lying or trying to make you look silly. You just think your argument sounds convincing because YOU believe it. To me, it's absolute hogwash.

[Science-Oriented Scots]

With the suffering that goes on in this world, I can not believe that a God exists. If I turn out to be wrong and spend an eternity in hell, so be it I will defy Satan for eternity. Science, as anyone who actually has had the chance to educate themselves will see that in every science class the teacher or professor states that science can not prove religion. Why religious people have to argue about it and say that things like evolution makes no sense, I do not know, but you can die by not getting your vaccinations and letting a mutation in a virus(which is a factor of evolution) kill you off. As for the reason why you should live, you should live to be remembered and have people look to your way of life as a reason to continue on.

A Boy wrote a letter to God that read "God, why do you let bad things happen in our schools?" God replied, "Son, I am not allowed in your schools".

Consider that for a moment.

But God lets bad things happen because it makes us stronger.

God is allowed in schools. Private schools are free to teach God as they wish. It's just public schools that may not endorse or teach God, but students in public schools may be religious as they wish.

It makes us stronger? Why did he create us that way?

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

Therefore in your world "robot Dwarf unicorn puppies" equates to "God". It is merely a matter of semantics. You can call the creator of the universe anything you want. That does not diminish His existence.

But robot Dwarf unicorn puppies are nothing like your God. They do not create. They are not bound by any sort of laws. They merely exist outside the realm of everything and affect nothing. The universe proves their existence because how could the universe not exist without some sort of divine beings?!

That is what you argument sounds like to me. I'm not lying or trying to make you look silly. You just think your argument sounds convincing because YOU believe it. To me, it's absolute hogwash.

Then by your own definition they cannot be God because "they merely exist outside the realm of everything and affect nothing". God indeed does affect a great many people, therefore your robot Dwarf unicorn puppies (as defined by you) cannot be God.

[Science-Oriented Scots]

But robot Dwarf unicorn puppies are nothing like your God. They do not create. They are not bound by any sort of laws. They merely exist outside the realm of everything and affect nothing. The universe proves their existence because how could the universe not exist without some sort of divine beings?!

That is what you argument sounds like to me. I'm not lying or trying to make you look silly. You just think your argument sounds convincing because YOU believe it. To me, it's absolute hogwash.

Then by your own definition they cannot be God because "they merely exist outside the realm of everything and affect nothing". God indeed does affect a great many people, therefore your robot Dwarf unicorn puppies (as defined by you) cannot be God.

How does God affect people? You can give no argument that is not based in baseless assumption.

Again:

You just think your argument sounds convincing because YOU believe it. To me, it's absolute hogwash.

[ThoseWhoAreGood]

A Boy wrote a letter to God that read "God, why do you let bad things happen in our schools?" God replied, "Son, I am not allowed in your schools".

Consider that for a moment.

But God lets bad things happen because it makes us stronger.

God is allowed in schools. Private schools are free to teach God as they wish. It's just public schools that may not endorse or teach God, but students in public schools may be religious as they wish.

It makes us stronger? Why did he create us that way?

The sole reason we are here on this earth is to experience mortality. Mortality would be a waste without pain, suffering and evil, because we would not no joy, happiness or good.

[Urstania]

Therefore in your world "robot Dwarf unicorn puppies" equates to "God". It is merely a matter of semantics. You can call the creator of the universe anything you want. That does not diminish His existence.

But robot Dwarf unicorn puppies are nothing like your God. They do not create. They are not bound by any sort of laws. They merely exist outside the realm of everything and affect nothing. The universe proves their existence because how could the universe not exist without some sort of divine beings?!

That is what you argument sounds like to me. I'm not lying or trying to make you look silly. You just think your argument sounds convincing because YOU believe it. To me, it's absolute hogwash.

But "god" or atleast the idea/concept of god does exist in this reality and is effecting the very people who are talking about this idea and concept on here so dont say god effects nothing. The entire idea of god has led to me following this thread every now and then and typeing in it. If god did not exist this kind of debate would be incomprehensible to us and NSG would never have these god debates becuase they wouldnt exist, they couldnt exist without the idea of god

Also the Idea of god have motivated people and civilizations to do things. Even if he does not exist, people brought him into existence by dedicating conscious energy to him or it or whatever

[Rokartian States]

With the suffering that goes on in this world, I can not believe that a God exists. If I turn out to be wrong and spend an eternity in hell, so be it I will defy Satan for eternity. Science, as anyone who actually has had the chance to educate themselves will see that in every science class the teacher or professor states that science can not prove religion. Why religious people have to argue about it and say that things like evolution makes no sense, I do not know, but you can die by not getting your vaccinations and letting a mutation in a virus(which is a factor of evolution) kill you off. As for the reason why you should live, you should live to be remembered and have people look to your way of life as a reason to continue on.

A Boy wrote a letter to God that read "God, why do you let bad things happen in our schools?" God replied, "Son, I am not allowed in your schools".

Consider that for a moment.

I have. This is my conclusion:

Bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit. You can worship God all you want in school. You just can't force it upon others. Even if God was banned from schools, however, why would that cause him to spite all of humanity? Is God really that depraved a creature? Even us humans consider that cruel and unusual.

But God lets bad things happen because it makes us stronger.

Bull. Fucking. Shit. Does cerebal palsy make children stronger? Does Alzheimer's make the elderly stronger? Does HIV make the Africans stronger? Does rape make young women stronger? Does a tour in Iraq make young men stronger? Does cancer make anybody stronger?

[Science-Oriented Scots]

But robot Dwarf unicorn puppies are nothing like your God. They do not create. They are not bound by any sort of laws. They merely exist outside the realm of everything and affect nothing. The universe proves their existence because how could the universe not exist without some sort of divine beings?!

That is what you argument sounds like to me. I'm not lying or trying to make you look silly. You just think your argument sounds convincing because YOU believe it. To me, it's absolute hogwash.

But "god" or atleast the idea/concept of god does exist in this real and is effecting the very people who are talking about this idea and concept on here so dont say god effects nothing. The entire idea of god has led to me following this thread every now and then and typeing in it. If god did not exist this kind of debate would be incomprehensible to us and NSG would never have these god debates becuase they wouldnt exist, they couldnt exist without the idea of god

Humans created the idea of God, and the idea of God affects people. To say anything more than that is baseless assumption.

[Science-Oriented Scots]

God is allowed in schools. Private schools are free to teach God as they wish. It's just public schools that may not endorse or teach God, but students in public schools may be religious as they wish.

It makes us stronger? Why did he create us that way?

The sole reason we are here on this earth is to experience mortality. Mortality would be a waste without pain, suffering and evil, because we would not no joy, happiness or good.

And this is because God created us this way. We are like this because of our Psychology. If God created us, he did so in such a way that this would be the case. It doesn't have to be. This is not something that has to be universal amongst every possible type of sentient being.

[ZellDincht]

With the suffering that goes on in this world, I can not believe that a God exists. If I turn out to be wrong and spend an eternity in hell, so be it I will defy Satan for eternity. Science, as anyone who actually has had the chance to educate themselves will see that in every science class the teacher or professor states that science can not prove religion. Why religious people have to argue about it and say that things like evolution makes no sense, I do not know, but you can die by not getting your vaccinations and letting a mutation in a virus(which is a factor of evolution) kill you off. As for the reason why you should live, you should live to be remembered and have people look to your way of life as a reason to continue on.

A Boy wrote a letter to God that read "God, why do you let bad things happen in our schools?" God replied, "Son, I am not allowed in your schools".

Consider that for a moment.

But God lets bad things happen because it makes us stronger.

I do like this quote, nice choice. I do remember that Columbine happened before they took religion from schools. I have heard that God makes bad things happen so we can become stronger, what about the people who die? Have they already achieved extreme strength that God has allowed them to enter heaven? What about the people who die of old age but have committed crimes against humanity? Or the Hitler's who commit genocide and do not get to live through all of the things that make people stronger?
EDIT: By me meaning removed from schools I meant "Under God" removed from the pledge. And I go to a Methodist College. I had to take my religion class, I received an A.

[Mongolian Khanate]

But "god" or atleast the idea/concept of god does exist in this real and is effecting the very people who are talking about this idea and concept on here so dont say god effects nothing. The entire idea of god has led to me following this thread every now and then and typeing in it. If god did not exist this kind of debate would be incomprehensible to us and NSG would never have these god debates becuase they wouldnt exist, they couldnt exist without the idea of god

Humans created the idea of God, and the idea of God affects people. To say anything more than that is baseless assumption.

Thankfully, imagine how the world would go to hell if God himself showed up.

"Yo guys, I've been sleeping for the last thousands years, what's up?"

only to discover we crucified his son

[Norstal]

With the suffering that goes on in this world, I can not believe that a God exists. If I turn out to be wrong and spend an eternity in hell, so be it I will defy Satan for eternity. Science, as anyone who actually has had the chance to educate themselves will see that in every science class the teacher or professor states that science can not prove religion. Why religious people have to argue about it and say that things like evolution makes no sense, I do not know, but you can die by not getting your vaccinations and letting a mutation in a virus(which is a factor of evolution) kill you off. As for the reason why you should live, you should live to be remembered and have people look to your way of life as a reason to continue on.

A Boy wrote a letter to God that read "God, why do you let bad things happen in our schools?" God replied, "Son, I am not allowed in your schools".

Consider that for a moment.

But God lets bad things happen because it makes us stronger.

What.
That's what with a period. Its a statement of my disbelieve of your utter ignorance.

But then again, its a good thing that CERN and DARPA is secular. Otherwise you wouldn't have the internet right now. Coz internet is ebil. Connecting 2 computers together is ebil too.

[Mongolian Khanate]

A Boy wrote a letter to God that read "God, why do you let bad things happen in our schools?" God replied, "Son, I am not allowed in your schools".

Consider that for a moment.

But God lets bad things happen because it makes us stronger.

What.
That's what with a period. Its a statement of my disbelieve of your utter ignorance.

But then again, its a good thing that CERN and DARPA is secular. Otherwise you wouldn't have the internet right now. Coz internet is ebil. Connecting 2 computers together is ebil too.

No computers would make us stronger too

[Urstania]

A man went to his barber who was religious and said

"I dont know how you could believe in god, so many people are suffering which is why he cant exist" said the man to the Barber

"Barbers dont exist" said the barber

"Why?"

"Look at that scruffy man outside with the untrimmed beard and long hair, his hair is so messy which is why Barbers cant exist" said the Barber
.................................................................

I cant quite remember but the little story was roughly along those lines

[Norstal]

A man went to his barber who was religious and said

"I dont know how you could believe in god, so many people are suffering which is why he cant exist" said the man to the Barber

"Barbers dont exist" said the barber

"Why?"

"Look at that scruffy man outside with the untrimmed beard and long hair, his hair is so messy which is why Barbers cant exist" said the Barber
.................................................................

I cant quite remember but the little story was roughly along those lines

Four Catholic ladies are having coffee together. The first one tells her friends, "My son is a priest. When he walks into a room, everyone calls him 'Father'."

The second Catholic woman chirps, "My son is a Bishop. Whenever he walks into a room, people say, 'Your Grace'."

The third Catholic woman says smugly, "My son is a Cardinal. Whenever he walks into a room, people say, 'Your Eminence'."

The fourth Catholic woman sips her coffee in silence. The first three women give her this subtle "Well.....?"

She replies, "My son is a gorgeous, 6'2", hard bodied stripper. When he walks into a room, people say, 'Oh my God...'."

[Urstania]

A man went to his barber who was religious and said

"I dont know how you could believe in god, so many people are suffering which is why he cant exist" said the man to the Barber

"Barbers dont exist" said the barber

"Why?"

"Look at that scruffy man outside with the untrimmed beard and long hair, his hair is so messy which is why Barbers cant exist" said the Barber
.................................................................

I cant quite remember but the little story was roughly along those lines

Four Catholic ladies are having coffee together. The first one tells her friends, "My son is a priest. When he walks into a room, everyone calls him 'Father'."

The second Catholic woman chirps, "My son is a Bishop. Whenever he walks into a room, people say, 'Your Grace'."

The third Catholic woman says smugly, "My son is a Cardinal. Whenever he walks into a room, people say, 'Your Eminence'."

The fourth Catholic woman sips her coffee in silence. The first three women give her this subtle "Well.....?"

She replies, "My son is a gorgeous, 6'2", hard bodied stripper. When he walks into a room, people say, 'Oh my God...'."

haha im going to have to remember that one to tell my sister

[Rokartian States]

A man went to his barber who was religious and said

"I dont know how you could believe in god, so many people are suffering which is why he cant exist" said the man to the Barber

"Barbers dont exist" said the barber

"Why?"

"Look at that scruffy man outside with the untrimmed beard and long hair, his hair is so messy which is why Barbers cant exist" said the Barber
.................................................................

I cant quite remember but the little story was roughly along those lines

Barbers, unlike God, aren't omnipotent, omniscient beings.

[ZellDincht]

A man went to his barber who was religious and said

"I dont know how you could believe in god, so many people are suffering which is why he cant exist" said the man to the Barber

"Barbers dont exist" said the barber

"Why?"

"Look at that scruffy man outside with the untrimmed beard and long hair, his hair is so messy which is why Barbers cant exist" said the Barber
.................................................................

I cant quite remember but the little story was roughly along those lines

I respect the cleverness of the story and will not reply for fear of trolling or baiting.

[Urstania]

also just so everyone knows. I dont actually believe in the western christian god, Im not chirstian and I am not apart of any organized religion becuase I think organized religions are just institutions of control.

I believe that people have the right to seek somekind of enlightenment, comtemplate and think about existence and reality and come to their own personal understanding of this bodily human experience of life and that an infinite number of paths exist becuase we cant expect people to all go down the same path because they dont all work for everyone. I do believe that their is a universal intelligence or the mind behind everything in nature and the universe (Which may possably be totally incomprehensible to me in this current plane of existence) But I believe people are entitled to try and get closer to this universal mind just like people are entitled to not believe in the universal mind or god

Anyway im of the belief that a mind is like a parachute, it works better when its open

[ZellDincht]

also just so everyone knows. I dont actually believe in the western christian god, Im not chirstian and I am not apart of any organized religion becuase I think organized religions are just institutions of control.

I believe that people have the right to seek somekind of enlightenment, comtemplate and think about existence and reality and come to their own personal understanding of this bodily human experience of life and that an infinite number of paths exist becuase we cant expect people to all go down the same path because they dont all work for everyone. I do believe that their is a universal intelligence or the mind behind everything in nature and the universe (Which may possably be totally incomprehensible to me in this current plane of existence) But I believe people are entitled to try and get closer to this universal mind just like people are entitled to not believe in the universal mind or god

Anyway im of the belief that a mind is like a parachute, it works better when its open

If only more denominations and such could think like this... and until they do:

"When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."- Stephen Roberts

[Dyakovo]

Not. At. All. The proof of Pluto's existence was based on extensions of scientific laws and principles that have proven to be true.

Your random attribution of God to stuff does not prove God exists any more than I could prove Tusken Raiders exist. Any time you come up with this "God made this happen" or whatever, I will replace God with Tusken Raiders.

You are free to have your opinion. You are also free to be sadly mistaken. The entire universe proves God's existence.

Yeah, a lot of religious people say that... None have been able to demonstrate how the universe proves your magical sky faerie's existence...

[Dyakovo]

It's not my opinion. You just attribute random stuff to God and say that proves His existence, which it does not. The entire universe proves the Tusken Raiders' existence. Disprove me. Try.

The creator of the Tusken Raiders... George Lucas, has fully admitted and acknowledges that Tusken Raiders are indeed a figment of his imagination and wholly fiction.

Maybe he just doesn't realize he was divinely inspired?

[The Alma Mater]

Not. At. All. The proof of Pluto's existence was based on extensions of scientific laws and principles that have proven to be true.

Your random attribution of God to stuff does not prove God exists any more than I could prove Tusken Raiders exist. Any time you come up with this "God made this happen" or whatever, I will replace God with Tusken Raiders.

You are free to have your opinion. You are also free to be sadly mistaken. The entire universe proves God's existence.

A close look at the entire universe also proves that God is rather indifferent and uncaring.
A closer look at nature proves that God loves suffering, bitter irony and beetles.

So yes, he exists... but why on earth worship him ? Are you a beetle ?