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Is god real?

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No
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Science-Oriented Scots
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Postby Science-Oriented Scots » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:37 pm

Jedi8246 wrote:I already proved god exists, but yall refuse to see the truth.


No, you just haven't made a cogent or convincing argument.
Let's be honest. Bigtopians do say the darndest things.

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Postby Caninuss » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:37 pm

Urstania wrote:science doesnt disprove god, science just tells us how god works :)



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Postby Jedi8246 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:38 pm

Norstal wrote:
Jedi8246 wrote:You can guarantee black holes may appear at any moment.
Until someone can actually proves God does not exist, which you can't, then excuse yourself.

You do realize agnostic atheists, which I am, aren't anti-theist right? We lack belief in a god. We simply don't know whether or not god exists.

Well I do prefer you believe in design even if not God

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Postby Urstania » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:38 pm

I think we can all agree that god either exists or doesnt exist depending on the individual you ask??

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Postby ThoseWhoAreGood » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:39 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Jedi8246 wrote:Until someone can actually proves God does not exist, which you can't, then excuse yourself.

Until you can actually prove that your god exists, which you can't, you can excuse yourself.

Also, you still haven't addressed this:
Can your god create a rock so heavy that he can't lift it?
If he can, he isn't omnipotent.
If he can't, he isn't omnipotent.


That is like saying that God should be able to make 1+1 = 15. It is against the laws of the universe and logic. There are laws that God cannot break or He ceases to be God.

Also, where is it written that God is Omnipotent? Who's words? What did it mean when it was written?
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:39 pm

Jedi8246 wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Until you can actually prove that your god exists, which you can't, you can excuse yourself.

Also, you still haven't addressed this:
Can your god create a rock so heavy that he can't lift it?
If he can, he isn't omnipotent.
If he can't, he isn't omnipotent.

I already proved god exists, but yall refuse to see the truth.

No. You stated that he exists. There is a difference.
Jedi8246 wrote:As to your paradox
God can not do anything or create any situation that would in effect make God not God.

If there is anything that he cannot do, then he is not omnipotent.
Jedi8246 wrote:This question answers itself.

Well, you got one thing right anyways...
Jedi8246 wrote:He created you,

Prove it.
Jedi8246 wrote:the rock that he can move but He will not. (Free will)

So, in other words, he can't create a rock so heavy that he cannot move it... Thus he is not omnipotent.
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Postby Science-Oriented Scots » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:40 pm

ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Until you can actually prove that your god exists, which you can't, you can excuse yourself.

Also, you still haven't addressed this:
Can your god create a rock so heavy that he can't lift it?
If he can, he isn't omnipotent.
If he can't, he isn't omnipotent.


That is like saying that God should be able to make 1+1 = 15. It is against the laws of the universe and logic. There are laws that God cannot break or He ceases to be God.


Then who made the laws? Does God have a God? God squared?
Let's be honest. Bigtopians do say the darndest things.

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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:41 pm

ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Until you can actually prove that your god exists, which you can't, you can excuse yourself.

Also, you still haven't addressed this:
Can your god create a rock so heavy that he can't lift it?
If he can, he isn't omnipotent.
If he can't, he isn't omnipotent.


That is like saying that God should be able to make 1+1 = 15. It is against the laws of the universe and logic.

So? Supposedly he is omnipotent.
ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:There are laws that God cannot break or He ceases to be God.

Then he isn't omnipotent.
ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:Also, where is it written that God is Omnipotent? Who's words? What did it mean when it was written?

Jedi made the claim...
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Postby ThoseWhoAreGood » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:41 pm

Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
That is like saying that God should be able to make 1+1 = 15. It is against the laws of the universe and logic. There are laws that God cannot break or He ceases to be God.


Then who made the laws? Does God have a God? God squared?


Those laws are eternal. Universal. Immutable. Natural.
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Postby Science-Oriented Scots » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:42 pm

ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
Then who made the laws? Does God have a God? God squared?


Those laws are eternal. Universal. Immutable. Natural.


So then what is God and why is God necessary?
Let's be honest. Bigtopians do say the darndest things.

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Postby ThoseWhoAreGood » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:43 pm

Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
Those laws are eternal. Universal. Immutable. Natural.


So then what is God and why is God necessary?


God is the Father. He is the organizer. He used the laws to create everything.
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Postby There is no cow level » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:44 pm

Gods dick is real. It is the entire universe and we are his semen.
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Postby Science-Oriented Scots » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:45 pm

ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
So then what is God and why is God necessary?


God is the Father. He is the organizer. He used the laws to create everything.


I mean, what kind of being is God? Does God physically exist somewhere or is God outside of the physical laws?

It seems to me like you're trying to have your cake and eat it, too.
Let's be honest. Bigtopians do say the darndest things.

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Postby ThoseWhoAreGood » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:49 pm

Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
God is the Father. He is the organizer. He used the laws to create everything.


I mean, what kind of being is God? Does God physically exist somewhere or is God outside of the physical laws?

It seems to me like you're trying to have your cake and eat it, too.


God is a personage of flesh and bone. He exists. He also has WAY more knowledge of the physical laws than we.
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Postby Jedi8246 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:49 pm

God is all powerful in that he won't create a situation where he isn't God. He could but wont.
And it says god is omnipotent in the Bible.
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Postby Science-Oriented Scots » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:54 pm

ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
I mean, what kind of being is God? Does God physically exist somewhere or is God outside of the physical laws?

It seems to me like you're trying to have your cake and eat it, too.


God is a personage of flesh and bone. He exists. He also has WAY more knowledge of the physical laws than we.


So where is this God and how can you prove He exists?

Your claim that God exists is no more valid than my "claim" Tusken Raiders exist.
Let's be honest. Bigtopians do say the darndest things.

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Postby ThoseWhoAreGood » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:56 pm

Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
God is a personage of flesh and bone. He exists. He also has WAY more knowledge of the physical laws than we.


So where is this God and how can you prove He exists?

Your claim that God exists is no more valid than my "claim" Tusken Raiders exist.


Sort of like how we proved that Pluto existed before we could see it. We observed it's influence on other entities we could see.
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Postby Neo Rom » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:58 pm

Jagalonia wrote:Really? Another one of these? Ugh...

The existance of supernatural dieties cannot be proven or disproven.

Except in the case of the flying spaghetti monster. He definately exists.



THE former is definately true, whivch is why evolutio can never prove that the afterlife and siupernatural are false, as it deals with laws of matter, which if the supernatural DOES (and I DO believe it DOES exsist), deals with other, unknown laws

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Postby Science-Oriented Scots » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:59 pm

ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
So where is this God and how can you prove He exists?

Your claim that God exists is no more valid than my "claim" Tusken Raiders exist.


Sort of like how we proved that Pluto existed before we could see it. We observed it's influence on other entities we could see.


Not. At. All. The proof of Pluto's existence was based on extensions of scientific laws and principles that have proven to be true.

Your random attribution of God to stuff does not prove God exists any more than I could prove Tusken Raiders exist. Any time you come up with this "God made this happen" or whatever, I will replace God with Tusken Raiders.
Let's be honest. Bigtopians do say the darndest things.

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Postby ThoseWhoAreGood » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:01 pm

Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
Sort of like how we proved that Pluto existed before we could see it. We observed it's influence on other entities we could see.


Not. At. All. The proof of Pluto's existence was based on extensions of scientific laws and principles that have proven to be true.

Your random attribution of God to stuff does not prove God exists any more than I could prove Tusken Raiders exist. Any time you come up with this "God made this happen" or whatever, I will replace God with Tusken Raiders.


You are free to have your opinion. You are also free to be sadly mistaken. The entire universe proves God's existence.
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Postby Science-Oriented Scots » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:02 pm

ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
Not. At. All. The proof of Pluto's existence was based on extensions of scientific laws and principles that have proven to be true.

Your random attribution of God to stuff does not prove God exists any more than I could prove Tusken Raiders exist. Any time you come up with this "God made this happen" or whatever, I will replace God with Tusken Raiders.


You are free to have your opinion. You are also free to be sadly mistaken. The entire universe proves God's existence.


It's not my opinion. You just attribute random stuff to God and say that proves His existence, which it does not. The entire universe proves the Tusken Raiders' existence. Disprove me. Try.
Let's be honest. Bigtopians do say the darndest things.

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Postby ThoseWhoAreGood » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:04 pm

Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
You are free to have your opinion. You are also free to be sadly mistaken. The entire universe proves God's existence.


It's not my opinion. You just attribute random stuff to God and say that proves His existence, which it does not. The entire universe proves the Tusken Raiders' existence. Disprove me. Try.


The creator of the Tusken Raiders... George Lucas, has fully admitted and acknowledges that Tusken Raiders are indeed a figment of his imagination and wholly fiction.
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Postby Science-Oriented Scots » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:06 pm

ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
It's not my opinion. You just attribute random stuff to God and say that proves His existence, which it does not. The entire universe proves the Tusken Raiders' existence. Disprove me. Try.


The creator of the Tusken Raiders... George Lucas, has fully admitted and acknowledges that Tusken Raiders are indeed a figment of his imagination and wholly fiction.


That's not my point. Replace God with ANYTHING. Seriously. The entire universe proves the existence of the real divinity, robot Dwarf unicorn puppies. Disprove it. Try.
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Postby ZellDincht » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:09 pm

With the suffering that goes on in this world, I can not believe that a God exists. If I turn out to be wrong and spend an eternity in hell, so be it I will defy Satan for eternity. Science, as anyone who actually has had the chance to educate themselves will see that in every science class the teacher or professor states that science can not prove religion. Why religious people have to argue about it and say that things like evolution makes no sense, I do not know, but you can die by not getting your vaccinations and letting a mutation in a virus(which is a factor of evolution) kill you off. As for the reason why you should live, you should live to be remembered and have people look to your way of life as a reason to continue on.
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Postby ThoseWhoAreGood » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:10 pm

Science-Oriented Scots wrote:
ThoseWhoAreGood wrote:
The creator of the Tusken Raiders... George Lucas, has fully admitted and acknowledges that Tusken Raiders are indeed a figment of his imagination and wholly fiction.


That's not my point. Replace God with ANYTHING. Seriously. The entire universe proves the existence of the real divinity, robot Dwarf unicorn puppies. Disprove it. Try.


Therefore in your world "robot Dwarf unicorn puppies" equates to "God". It is merely a matter of semantics. You can call the creator of the universe anything you want. That does not diminish His existence.
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