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Is god real?

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Hydesland
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Postby Hydesland » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:45 am

Ifreann wrote:
Kylarosa wrote:know of him, nothing amazing.

Him?


Yeah, he's not great tbh.

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Postby Gagatron » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:45 am

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Postby Hydesland » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:46 am

Lauchlin wrote:Without religion, there is no reason to suspect that God exists.


What? That is a really ridiculous statement.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:46 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:I have no proposed idea. In fact that's kinda my point.


Okay, then this idea that could or could not be possibly proposed. Then you claim because of that bizarre, ambiguous concept, that atheists can't possibly be atheists, because that idea could always exist, though you're not saying it could, nor are saying what kind of an idea it is--except that it is an idea, and whatever of the nature of this maybe/maybe not (that you propose can't be described or proposed) is, we are ignorant to claim anything about it. Because of this idea, the word "God" can only be used in a possible sense; standard definitions and understanding of the word be damned! Because something of some kind could something, and we're arrogant to disagree.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:48 am

Hydesland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Him?


Yeah, he's not great tbh.

Needs more orcs.

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Postby Kylarosa » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:48 am

Ifreann wrote:
Kylarosa wrote:know of him, nothing amazing.

Him?

Right sorry forgot she was a woman. Didn't really consider it important point when I was reading objectivism.

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:48 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:I have no proposed idea. In fact that's kinda my point.


Okay, then this idea that could or could not be possibly proposed. Then you claim because of that bizarre, ambiguous concept, that atheists can't possibly be atheists, because that idea could always exist, though you're not saying it could, nor are saying what kind of an idea it is--except that it is an idea, and whatever of the nature of this maybe/maybe not (that you propose can't be described or proposed) is, we are ignorant to claim anything about it. Because of this idea, the word "God" can only be used in a possible sense; standard definitions and understanding of the word be damned! Because something of some kind could something, and we're arrogant to disagree.


Yes.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:48 am

Hydesland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Him?


Yeah, he's not great tbh.

Well we can't all afford to be so choosy, can we?
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Postby Ellara (Ancient) » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:49 am

Hydesland wrote:
Lauchlin wrote:Without religion, there is no reason to suspect that God exists.


What? That is a really ridiculous statement.


I tend to agree with this.
For example: I am agnostic (I know, I'M GOING TO HELL! BURN THE WITCH! Blah blah), but I do actually believe that there is a ruling force in the universe. Granted, I don't think it's some big white guy who told us to call him "God," but I do believe there is something. However, I haven't yet found a religion that falls to the same beliefs I have, so I'm just kind of going along without one. But I can certainly believe that there's a type of God out there.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:50 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
Okay, then this idea that could or could not be possibly proposed. Then you claim because of that bizarre, ambiguous concept, that atheists can't possibly be atheists, because that idea could always exist, though you're not saying it could, nor are saying what kind of an idea it is--except that it is an idea, and whatever of the nature of this maybe/maybe not (that you propose can't be described or proposed) is, we are ignorant to claim anything about it. Because of this idea, the word "God" can only be used in a possible sense; standard definitions and understanding of the word be damned! Because something of some kind could something, and we're arrogant to disagree.


Yes.

Pointless and utterly irrelevant to the conversation. Such nonsense doesn't qualify as "God" for standard human conception or concern.
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The Theban Legion
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Postby The Theban Legion » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:50 am

Well I can't be sure he is real but it would be much easier to prove he exists.

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The Theban Legion
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Postby The Theban Legion » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:51 am

As a side note I believe he exists without a doubt.

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Postby Cythala » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:51 am

Hydesland wrote:
Lauchlin wrote:Without religion, there is no reason to suspect that God exists.


What? That is a really ridiculous statement.


How is it a ridiculous statement? If there wasn't any religions, no one would know about god, cause no one would talk about it. There wouldn't even be the word 'god' in the dictionary.

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Postby Kylarosa » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:52 am

Hydesland wrote:
Lauchlin wrote:Without religion, there is no reason to suspect that God exists.


What? That is a really ridiculous statement.

Especially sense it proposes a chicken in the egg scenario. If without religion people had no reason to suspect god, where did religion come from?
This is besides the point of I don't know if there is a god or not.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:52 am

Ellara wrote:
Hydesland wrote:
What? That is a really ridiculous statement.


I tend to agree with this.
For example: I am agnostic (I know, I'M GOING TO HELL! BURN THE WITCH! Blah blah), but I do actually believe that there is a ruling force in the universe. Granted, I don't think it's some big white guy who told us to call him "God," but I do believe there is something. However, I haven't yet found a religion that falls to the same beliefs I have, so I'm just kind of going along without one. But I can certainly believe that there's a type of God out there.

See, this is ridiculous. The creator didn't make us in His image, we made Him in ours. We alter what our own religions "really" mean until God coincides with our ideal. If our ideal is too far from that religion, then we might even look for another one.
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Postby Cythala » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:53 am

The Theban Legion wrote:As a side note I believe he exists without a doubt.


how come? have you seen him? Or do you just believe what priests say and read from a book written by men.

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:53 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Yes.

Pointless and utterly irrelevant to the conversation. Such nonsense doesn't qualify as "God" for standard human conception or concern.


That's the point. God doesn't fit standard human conception or concern just becasue you want Him to.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:54 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Pointless and utterly irrelevant to the conversation. Such nonsense doesn't qualify as "God" for standard human conception or concern.


That's the point. God doesn't fit standard human conception or concern just becasue you want Him to.

Does God have a penis?
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Postby St George of England » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:56 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
That's the point. God doesn't fit standard human conception or concern just becasue you want Him to.

Does God have a penis?

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Postby Gagatron » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:56 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Ellara wrote:
I tend to agree with this.
For example: I am agnostic (I know, I'M GOING TO HELL! BURN THE WITCH! Blah blah), but I do actually believe that there is a ruling force in the universe. Granted, I don't think it's some big white guy who told us to call him "God," but I do believe there is something. However, I haven't yet found a religion that falls to the same beliefs I have, so I'm just kind of going along without one. But I can certainly believe that there's a type of God out there.

See, this is ridiculous. The creator didn't make us in His image, we made Him in ours. We alter what our own religions "really" mean until God coincides with our ideal. If our ideal is too far from that religion, then we might even look for another one.

I laugh. God is not made in the image of man any more than the moon is.
God, I want to dream again,
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Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Ellara (Ancient) » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:56 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:See, this is ridiculous. The creator didn't make us in His image, we made Him in ours. We alter what our own religions "really" mean until God coincides with our ideal. If our ideal is too far from that religion, then we might even look for another one.


Yeah, but most of the religions we have (or at least the ones I've experienced) personify God/the creator. So is it really ridiculous to not want one that does that?
[This is an honest question. I understand I'm probably naive and crazy.]
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Postby Lauchlin » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:58 am

Kylarosa wrote:
Hydesland wrote:
What? That is a really ridiculous statement.

Especially sense it proposes a chicken in the egg scenario. If without religion people had no reason to suspect god, where did religion come from?
This is besides the point of I don't know if there is a god or not.

I explained that earlier. God was an attempt at an explanatory concept. It no longer serves that purpose. The only reason it exists is because of the cultural inertia of religion.

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Postby Hydesland » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:59 am

Cythala wrote: If there wasn't any religions, no one would know about god, cause no one would talk about it. There wouldn't even be the word 'god' in the dictionary.


Where do people come up with this stuff?

For a good example, how about you look up a user Gift of God. Or maybe, Greek philosophers (or the entirety of cosmological philosophy since then), or another billion examples of non religious people who believe the universe was probably created by something, but are unsure of its exact nature, where it could be one of infinite possibilities, from Aristotle's unmoved mover, to Spinoza's conception.

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Postby Ellara (Ancient) » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:59 am

Lauchlin wrote:I explained that earlier. God was an attempt at an explanatory concept. It no longer serves that purpose. The only reason it exists is because of the cultural inertia of religion.


OK, but what about all the people who genuinely believe what their religious leaders tell them?
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:59 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
That's the point. God doesn't fit standard human conception or concern just becasue you want Him to.

Does God have a penis?


You should know what my answer is going to be by now.

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