Is god real?

[Georgism]

I know that's not your actual answer, but even that doesn't work. You could have something that thinks about evil without actually carrying it out. In the same way as I can think about jumping to the moon and I can will it with all my heart but I still can't do it.

Well, no... My actual answer is that the christian god as presented in the bible is clinically insane, specifically he suffers from Dissociative Identity Disorder and as such you would first have to determine which identity created evil to have any hope of determining why he did it.

Because if he exists at all he's not a very nice guy.

[Hossaim]

thats is some of the most ignorant and childish crap i have ever heard.

You're new here I see

[Georgism]

this is phase list

We've been on phase three most of the thread.

[Kreigan]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to think that you worship God because you think he started your car for you, but you're just not convincing me that you're not trying to take the piss out of Christians.

I worship God because I believe in God, not because my car started, but because its what I chose to believe. (My parents never took me to church, I had friends who took me when I was younger), so no, it wasn't because what my parents told me what to believe.

My car started when I asked for it to start was only confirming that he helped me.

Hey, Christianity at it's base is a good practice, however it's been corrupted by man, much like everything else.

So god helped you start your car but he wont help children who are in poverty? Or when a woman is being raped he wont help her but he'll sure as hell go "oh look Sucrati needs his car started, well thats more important" Its this ignorance which is why religon is stupid and and made up by people who claim good things that happen to be by god but forget about people who have worse situations but dont recieve help.

[Awful Doom]

I believe that god is (just like someone said) a try to explain phenomenons we can't explain. In the begining of civilization humans came up with gods in order to explain fire and other very strange things.. At least that's the way I have understood things. Perhaps we stopped believe in gods as an explaination when religion started to develop into, well, more as we know it today.

Personally I am what you might call an agnostic. But religion isn't something I want to spend my life thinking about. I look at it this way, we humans have a magnificent thing called a brain and we are capable of imagining amazing things - why focus on learnings that doesn't encourage us to do so?
Although I do understand why people are religious, it is a human thing to do to try and find answers when you might feel lost.

I should point out that I am neither a historian or a theologian, so please don't throw facts back at me..
have a nice day

[Kreigan]

i also want gagatron to answer this.

Maltheist fail. Most Christians still believe in free will. In the cases where people died it was due to their own immorality and the fact that a larger army was outside their city's gate. Pharaoh still had free choice, even if a deity could have superseded it- why should he? Why is the third one necessarily assine? Various bible verses say not to commit to wars in Jehovah's name and I suppose that supplies to destruction. I have already explained why moral arguments against a deity will always fail. You would be much better served arguing against its actual existence in that form or other forms.

Yes and most people who beleive in free will also beleive that when somthing good happens to them that god caused it which is contradicting their free will theory considering hes intervening.

[Kreigan]

I believe that god is (just like someone said) a try to explain phenomenons we can't explain. In the begining of civilization humans came up with gods in order to explain fire and other very strange things.. At least that's the way I have understood things. Perhaps we stopped believe in gods as an explaination when religion started to develop into, well, more as we know it today.

Personally I am what you might call an agnostic. But religion isn't something I want to spend my life thinking about. I look at it this way, we humans have a magnificent thing called a brain and we are capable of imagining amazing things - why focus on learnings that doesn't encourage us to do so?
Although I do understand why people are religious, it is a human thing to do to try and find answers when you might feel lost.

I should point out that I am neither a historian or a theologian, so please don't throw facts back at me..
have a nice day

Are you agnostic but theist or athiest. because being agnostic means you dont know but has no connection to theism which is what you beleive. So either your agnostic athiest or agnostic theist or diest or what ever have you.

[Dyakovo]

I believe that god is (just like someone said) a try to explain phenomenons we can't explain. In the begining of civilization humans came up with gods in order to explain fire and other very strange things.. At least that's the way I have understood things. Perhaps we stopped believe in gods as an explaination when religion started to develop into, well, more as we know it today.

Personally I am what you might call an agnostic. But religion isn't something I want to spend my life thinking about. I look at it this way, we humans have a magnificent thing called a brain and we are capable of imagining amazing things - why focus on learnings that doesn't encourage us to do so?
Although I do understand why people are religious, it is a human thing to do to try and find answers when you might feel lost.

I should point out that I am neither a historian or a theologian, so please don't throw facts back at me..
have a nice day

Are you agnostic but theist or athiest. because being agnostic means you dont know but has no connection to theism which is what you beleive. So either your agnostic athiest or agnostic theistor diest or what ever have you.

Deism is a form of theism, so the qualifier was unnecessary.

[Rambhutan]

this is phase list

We've been on phase three most of the thread.

Still as religion threads on NSG go it has been remarkably free of flaming.

[Kreigan]

Are you agnostic but theist or athiest. because being agnostic means you dont know but has no connection to theism which is what you beleive. So either your agnostic athiest or agnostic theistor diest or what ever have you.

Deism is a form of theism, so the qualifier was unnecessary.

Yes but I didnt want to take the chance of someone getting offended because I didnt mention it

[Awful Doom]

I believe that god is (just like someone said) a try to explain phenomenons we can't explain. In the begining of civilization humans came up with gods in order to explain fire and other very strange things.. At least that's the way I have understood things. Perhaps we stopped believe in gods as an explaination when religion started to develop into, well, more as we know it today.

Personally I am what you might call an agnostic. But religion isn't something I want to spend my life thinking about. I look at it this way, we humans have a magnificent thing called a brain and we are capable of imagining amazing things - why focus on learnings that doesn't encourage us to do so?
Although I do understand why people are religious, it is a human thing to do to try and find answers when you might feel lost.

I should point out that I am neither a historian or a theologian, so please don't throw facts back at me..
have a nice day

Are you agnostic but theist or athiest. because being agnostic means you dont know but has no connection to theism which is what you beleive. So either your agnostic athiest or agnostic theist or diest or what ever have you.

think there was a translation-fail. i apologise. what i ment to say was that god might be real, but its nothing i strongly believe in nor think people should spend their lives praising and that i'm not an expert in these things (as you might see lol).

[The Murtunian Tribes]

think there was a translation-fail. i apologise. what i ment to say was that god might be real, but its nothing i strongly believe in nor think people should spend their lives praising and that i'm not an expert in these things (as you might see lol).

That would be agnostic theist.

[Kreigan]

Are you agnostic but theist or athiest. because being agnostic means you dont know but has no connection to theism which is what you beleive. So either your agnostic athiest or agnostic theist or diest or what ever have you.

think there was a translation-fail. i apologise. what i ment to say was that god might be real, but its nothing i strongly believe in nor think people should spend their lives praising and that i'm not an expert in these things (as you might see lol).

Well in the sense everyone is an agnostic considering no one really knows wether god does or doesnt exist. So in the sense even a christian prayer warrior would be an agnostic considering they dont really know hes real no matter what claim they hay have he is.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

think there was a translation-fail. i apologise. what i ment to say was that god might be real, but its nothing i strongly believe in nor think people should spend their lives praising and that i'm not an expert in these things (as you might see lol).

Well in the sense everyone is an agnostic considering no one really knows wether god does or doesnt exist. So in the sense even a christian prayer warrior would be an agnostic considering they dont really know hes real no matter what claim they hay have he is.

Well, no, not really. An agnostic is someone who acknowledges their lack of knowledge. Believers "know" that what they believe is fact. While that knowledge is based on faith, they still take it as absolute fact.

[Dyakovo]

Well in the sense everyone is an agnostic considering no one really knows wether god does or doesnt exist. So in the sense even a christian prayer warrior would be an agnostic considering they dont really know hes real no matter what claim they hay have he is.

Well, no, not really. An agnostic is someone who acknowledges their lack of knowledge. Believers "know" that what they believe is fact. While that knowledge is based on faith, they still take it as absolute fact.

Indeed.

[Underium]

Agnostic- a person who beleives that the human mind cannot know wether there is a god or ultimate cause, or anything beyond material phenomena.

Coems from the Webster New World College Dictionary, fourth edition

[Shia Majority]

Yes, but..

Mechanus is the Machine God. Our God (humanity), is nameless, yet supposedly more powerful that Mechanus. So we are told atleast.

[Dyakovo]

Agnostic- a person who beleives that the human mind cannot know wether there is a god or ultimate cause, or anything beyond material phenomena.

Coems from the Webster New World College Dictionary, fourth edition

That's nice...

Dictionaries are not the end-all be-all when it comes to philosophy...

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Agnostic- a person who beleives that the human mind cannot know wether there is a god or ultimate cause, or anything beyond material phenomena.

Coems from the Webster New World College Dictionary, fourth edition

That's nice...

Dictionaries are not the end-all be-all when it comes to philosophy...

Except that it is 100% right.

[Dyakovo]

That's nice...

Dictionaries are not the end-all be-all when it comes to philosophy...

Except that it is 100% right.

Or not

agnosticism

Agnosticism is the position of believing that knowledge of the existence or non-existence of god is impossible. It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism. Understood this way, agnosticism is skepticism regarding all things theological. The agnostic holds that human knowledge is limited to the natural world, that the mind is incapable of knowledge of the supernatural. Understood this way, an agnostic could also be a theist or an atheist. The former is called a fideist, one who believes in god purely on faith. The latter is sometimes accused by theists of having faith in the non-existence of god, but the accusation is absurd and the expression meaningless. The agnostic atheist simply finds no compelling reason to believe in god.

emphasis mine.

[FREEaquaticdancelesson]

What the hell, for shits and giggles I'm going to make a case for Religion.

The creation of the universe.

Some scientists speculate that it was "inevitable" but don't really explain why it was, or how chance even works in this situation... there must have been a "creation" for anything to exist... and according to the laws of physics energy cannot be created, nor destroyed.

Therefor, the creation of everything we see before us must have some origin that defies the very laws of our universe... this origin in itself must be God-like because it can do what nothing else can, genesis.

Whether this was a decision or not is beyond our comprehension, but yet it did happen, and all of energy and space was created.

The first "information" system understood by scientists is DNA, or proto dna, simply a strand of proteins that has copied itself through a chemical process...
We are Chauvinistic in this sense that we only understand our own information, our own intelligence and spread our intelligence to inanimate things to remind ourselves of it and to process it...

Is it not possible that the energy that is the make up of all things, seen and unseen could retain some sort of information? Is it not possible that this information could be read by an intelligence greater than our own?

Every subatomic particle in the make up of this universe sends off a form of "information", a gravitational tug of sorts. This may very well act like neurons in a brain, sending waves of information that somewhere along the line must be interpreted and collected by something...

The chances of this intelligence is great in my opinion, as things naturally evolve over time, the God people speak of may possibly be everything, know everything, feel everything and maybe even command everything.

It may control the very fabric of space and time, and because it cannot simply intelligently design something (it would need an equal and opposite reaction that would be impossible), it must plan things out in a mathmatical like formula.

It would influence the positioning of particles to shoot into a correct pattern that would create humans over time based off of it's own calculations in it's infinite intelligence.

After all, the chances of everything working out just exactly right for life to form on earth, (intelligent life at that) is so very very slim that it wouldn't be too unreasonable to look for a reason behind it.

Our brains are the image of this God, our neurons especially... A curious creator wanted to give something the ability to have the understanding of itself, but be able to manipulate matter...

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Except that it is 100% right.

Or not

agnosticism

Agnosticism is the position of believing that knowledge of the existence or non-existence of god is impossible. It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism. Understood this way, agnosticism is skepticism regarding all things theological. The agnostic holds that human knowledge is limited to the natural world, that the mind is incapable of knowledge of the supernatural. Understood this way, an agnostic could also be a theist or an atheist. The former is called a fideist, one who believes in god purely on faith. The latter is sometimes accused by theists of having faith in the non-existence of god, but the accusation is absurd and the expression meaningless. The agnostic atheist simply finds no compelling reason to believe in god.

emphasis mine.

All you did was say exactly the same thing he did, only smarter.

[New Kereptica]

It may control the very fabric of space and time

It can't consciously control anything. What you're describing is nothing short of what exists, and then ascribing to it some mystic power of self-control.

[FREEaquaticdancelesson]

It may control the very fabric of space and time

It can't consciously control anything. What you're describing is nothing short of what exists, and then ascribing to it some mystic power of self-control.

*may* being the key word.

I should have elaborated further... and What my attempt to explain was that everything could be a network of information, and at some point the information could be interpreted by itself, kind of like a human brain able to interpret the small electrical pulses the neurons receive and give off... eventually, this web of information would gain more knowledge about itself as it evolves, and could essentially begin to communicate with itself, forming thought.

[Azaca]

Probably not.

theirs no probably to it ther is no god and we all need to realize that