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Is god real?

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Gagatron
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Postby Gagatron » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:56 pm

Unchecked Expansion wrote:
Gagatron wrote:What is nature to you?

Non-human ecosystems. And a reputable biology journal


Okay, you and I have very different definitions of nature.
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Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Zeth Rekia
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:56 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:But is Chuck Norris real?

Indeed, I am. I prefer Sparkles the Pink Unicorn, though. ;)

Sparkles has magical powers that make me feel all warm inside.

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Unchecked Expansion
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:57 pm

Gagatron wrote:
Unchecked Expansion wrote:Non-human ecosystems. And a reputable biology journal


Okay, you and I have very different definitions of nature.

What is yours? Living things? The earth?
If you want a plainer description, the bits of the earth that aren't man made are nature

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Postby Luciratus » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:57 pm

Unchecked Expansion wrote:
Gagatron wrote:What is nature to you?

Non-human ecosystems. And a reputable biology journal

I disagree with the first part. Wouldn't the human body be part of nature? After all, it interacts with natures, organisms can live within it, and all things can be explained as evolutionary and social (which could aruably be said to arise through evolution) adaptations.
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:58 pm

Luciratus wrote:
Unchecked Expansion wrote:Non-human ecosystems. And a reputable biology journal

I disagree with the first part. Wouldn't the human body be part of nature? After all, it interacts with natures, organisms can live within it, and all things can be explained as evolutionary and social (which could aruably be said to arise through evolution) adaptations.

Human body yes. Human made ecosystems, no. Nature as a word covers so many things, as all the things that are natural is almost everything.

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Postby Gagatron » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:58 pm

Unchecked Expansion wrote:
Gagatron wrote:
Okay, you and I have very different definitions of nature.

What is yours? Living things? The earth?
If you want a plainer description, the bits of the earth that aren't man made are nature


Nature is the universe. Humans are a part of it. We are all in nature.
God, I want to dream again,
Take me where I've never been.
I wanna go there,
This time I'm not scared.
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Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:59 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Luciratus wrote:Indeed, I am. I prefer Sparkles the Pink Unicorn, though. ;)

Sparkles has magical powers that make me feel all warm inside.

Indeed he does.

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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:03 pm

Gagatron wrote:
Unchecked Expansion wrote:What is yours? Living things? The earth?
If you want a plainer description, the bits of the earth that aren't man made are nature


Nature is the universe. Humans are a part of it. We are all in nature.

Still no sign of intelligence there though

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Postby Gagatron » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:04 pm

Assuming that the ideas we have of God are true, then He is probably infinitely wise, infinitely loving, and infinitely strong. I cannot accept a universe without such a being.
God, I want to dream again,
Take me where I've never been.
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Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:04 pm

Gagatron wrote:Assuming that the ideas we have of God are true, then He is probably infinitely wise, infinitely loving, and infinitely strong. I cannot accept a universe without such a being.

I can.
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:05 pm

Gagatron wrote:Assuming that the ideas we have of God are true, then He is probably infinitely wise, infinitely loving, and infinitely strong. I cannot accept a universe without such a being.

I find that idea irreconcilable with reality

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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:06 pm

Gagatron wrote:Assuming that the ideas we have of God are true, then He is probably infinitely wise, infinitely loving, and infinitely strong. I cannot accept a universe without such a being.

That's great. A being all powerful that cannot even record its teachings in a format that actually proves its existence. :clap:
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Postby Gagatron » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:07 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Gagatron wrote:Assuming that the ideas we have of God are true, then He is probably infinitely wise, infinitely loving, and infinitely strong. I cannot accept a universe without such a being.

That's great. A being all powerful that cannot even record its teachings in a format that actually proves its existence. :clap:


Just wait until the sun goes black.
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Take me where I've never been.
I wanna go there,
This time I'm not scared.
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Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:08 pm

Gagatron wrote:
Zeth Rekia wrote:That's great. A being all powerful that cannot even record its teachings in a format that actually proves its existence. :clap:


Just wait until the sun goes black.

Done that. Was very impressive.
Life went on though

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Postby Rokartian States » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:11 pm

Gagatron wrote:
Zeth Rekia wrote:That's great. A being all powerful that cannot even record its teachings in a format that actually proves its existence. :clap:


Just wait until the sun goes black.


Why should we have to wait?
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:12 pm

Gagatron wrote:
Zeth Rekia wrote:That's great. A being all powerful that cannot even record its teachings in a format that actually proves its existence. :clap:


Just wait until the sun goes black.

You know what you do before that? MIGRATE TO A DIFFERENT SUN!

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Postby Gagatron » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:13 pm

Rokartian States wrote:
Gagatron wrote:
Just wait until the sun goes black.


Why should we have to wait?


Because the majority of the world is not ready for such an event.

Do you know what the revelation of the supernatural to men implies? The laws of physics would fall apart at the seams.
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God, I want to dream again,
Take me where I've never been.
I wanna go there,
This time I'm not scared.
Music, love, peace, joy, history, religion, foreign cultures, foreign language, philosophy, debating, etc.


Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Rokartian States » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:14 pm

Gagatron wrote:
Rokartian States wrote:
Why should we have to wait?


Because the majority of the world is not ready for such an event.

Do you know what the revelation of the supernatural to men implies? The laws of physics would fall apart at the seams.


If God had revealed himself in a definitive manner in the first place, we wouldn't have to go through such a thing.
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Southern United Africa wrote:Say "pray" over and over in quick succession. I dare you.


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Norstal wrote:That is egotistical on so many level. Its like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, except theres one 1 degree and its your ego.


Sozut wrote:IT IS DEFINITELY BIRDS!


Sibirsky wrote:The truth is, you ideology has failed, will continue to fail, and is made of fail.


Embrihated Koalas wrote:SO THEIR BALLS ARE INERT


Cnetral america wrote:you have int got the flu soooo long it cagt you up
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:14 pm

Gagatron wrote:
Rokartian States wrote:
Why should we have to wait?


Because the majority of the world is not ready for such an event.

Do you know what the revelation of the supernatural to men implies? The laws of physics would fall apart at the seams.

I recall a certain blast radius. Though for the life of me I cannot remember what it is.

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Postby Gagatron » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:15 pm

Rokartian States wrote:
Gagatron wrote:
Because the majority of the world is not ready for such an event.

Do you know what the revelation of the supernatural to men implies? The laws of physics would fall apart at the seams.


If God had revealed himself in a definitive manner in the first place, we wouldn't have to go through such a thing.


Ah, but He's tried that.
God, I want to dream again,
Take me where I've never been.
I wanna go there,
This time I'm not scared.
Music, love, peace, joy, history, religion, foreign cultures, foreign language, philosophy, debating, etc.


Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:16 pm

Gagatron wrote:
Rokartian States wrote:
If God had revealed himself in a definitive manner in the first place, we wouldn't have to go through such a thing.


Ah, but He's tried that.

When?
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:17 pm

Gagatron wrote:
Rokartian States wrote:
If God had revealed himself in a definitive manner in the first place, we wouldn't have to go through such a thing.


Ah, but He's tried that.

He doesn't sound very powerful is all he could do was "try".

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Postby Northern Emirates » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:17 pm

Gagatron wrote:Assuming that the ideas we have of God are true, then He is probably infinitely wise, infinitely loving, and infinitely strong. I cannot accept a universe without such a being.


Just because you can't accept something does not make it false. Some folks still believe the earth is flat.

In any case, I can accept a universe such as that quite comfortably.
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Postby Rokartian States » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:17 pm

Gagatron wrote:
Rokartian States wrote:
If God had revealed himself in a definitive manner in the first place, we wouldn't have to go through such a thing.


Ah, but He's tried that.


It didn't work. Perhaps he's not omnipotent?
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Southern United Africa wrote:Say "pray" over and over in quick succession. I dare you.


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Norstal wrote:That is egotistical on so many level. Its like 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, except theres one 1 degree and its your ego.


Sozut wrote:IT IS DEFINITELY BIRDS!


Sibirsky wrote:The truth is, you ideology has failed, will continue to fail, and is made of fail.


Embrihated Koalas wrote:SO THEIR BALLS ARE INERT


Cnetral america wrote:you have int got the flu soooo long it cagt you up
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Postby Gagatron » Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:18 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Gagatron wrote:
Ah, but He's tried that.

He doesn't sound very powerful is all he could do was "try".


Such is free will, no one is forced to believe.
God, I want to dream again,
Take me where I've never been.
I wanna go there,
This time I'm not scared.
Music, love, peace, joy, history, religion, foreign cultures, foreign language, philosophy, debating, etc.


Zilam wrote:It always strikes me funny when people always complain "If God is good, why does he allow evil to exist"....Yet when God destroys every evil person in a flood, its a bad thing.

All sin is deserving of death.

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