Is god real?

[Luciratus]

Right: how do you explain the duck billed platypus? A mammal that lays eggs?

Evolution? Saying "God made it" won't solve anything either. You can stand for hours saying how beautiful the sunset is, but you'll still get sunburned.

And no, there's no such thing as bible thumpers, as all Christians are forced to spread teh wordz. I won't argue against that.

No. The majority of Christians are actually annoyed by proselytizing. They will only talk with their closest friends about religion and will not press the matter of conversion. Bible thumpers do exist and they are as annoying as fuck.

[Sucrati]

No, that was a book based on the accounts of ONE man, who was an Atheist, and instituted government suppressed religion and touted scientific bases to wipe out millions of people.

The crusades did the same thing. Hitler was also a Jew.

Actually I never knew that the Bible explicitly states to kill anyone who doesn't believe in God, the Crusades were intended to cut out the middle man over trade with China, the historians blame religion as the primary culprit, a secondary reason was because Muslims had invaded Christian territory and pretty much killed or converted by force, but we hardly hear about that.

No, his grandmother on his moms side (I think) was Jewish.

[Sucrati]

Evolution? Saying "God made it" won't solve anything either. You can stand for hours saying how beautiful the sunset is, but you'll still get sunburned.

And no, there's no such thing as bible thumpers, as all Christians are forced to spread teh wordz. I won't argue against that.

No. The majority of Christians are actually annoyed by proselytizing. They will only talk with their closest friends about religion and will not press the matter of conversion. Bible thumpers do exist and they are as annoying as fuck.

At that statement, we can agree.

I fell away from 'modern' Christianity, I'm trying to not practice the over zealous form of it, as such I'm annoyed by those who's intent is to force others to believe their views, no matter the cost.

[Sucrati]

The crusades did the same thing. Hitler was also a Jew.

Hitler was not an atheist or a Jew. He was whatever religion benefited him most. Typically this was a mix of Calvinism and German Paganism.

What about Obama, he seems to do the same thing, no one is sure of his religion and he only swings towards religions that are beneficial at the specific time...

[The Black Forrest]

Hitler was not an atheist or a Jew. He was whatever religion benefited him most. Typically this was a mix of Calvinism and German Paganism.

What about Obama, he seems to do the same thing, no one is sure of his religion and he only swings towards religions that are beneficial at the specific time...

Speak for yourself. He has always said he was one thing. That fact he is a statesman and knows "protocols" shouldn't be a surprise.....

[Avenio]

And yet its a made up term for what men thinks happens to a planet...

A plant or a planet? If it's a plant, then yes, that is what happens in a plant. We can see it happening, right down to the cellular level.

"Hey, this sounds complicated and smarter than what those bible thumpers are saying, it must mean we're right!"

This doesn't even deserve a response, frankly.

Right: how do you explain the duck billed platypus? A mammal that lays eggs?

A mixture of isolation and evolution; at one point, all mammal species were like the monotremes, but the platypus and its relatives (All situated on New Guinea) became isolated and never evolved along the same path as the rest of the mammals (Ie giving live birth) thanks to a relatively sheltered niche ecosystem.

[Rokartian States]

Hitler was not an atheist or a Jew. He was whatever religion benefited him most. Typically this was a mix of Calvinism and German Paganism.

no one is sure of his religion

Accusing President Obama of not being what he claims to be, that is, a Christian, is well into the realm of conspiracy theories.

and he only swings towards religions that are beneficial at the specific time...

The reason he 'sides with' so many different religions is because he is the President of America. We have freedom of religion here. That's exactly what he's supposed to do.

[Canuck Utopia]

You can call whatever you want....God did give us free will.

Ah yes. Because you have to do exactly as he says in order to avoid being sent to a furnace. That's some real free will there buddy. May I recall a certain SHitler?

You have as much free will as you like; however, if you don't follow certain rules, you may end up with a broken nose, a broken heart, or maybe even end up in jail.

Your Reductio ad Hitlerum is noted

[Norstal]

No. The majority of Christians are actually annoyed by proselytizing. They will only talk with their closest friends about religion and will not press the matter of conversion. Bible thumpers do exist and they are as annoying as fuck.

At that statement, we can agree.

I fell away from 'modern' Christianity, I'm trying to not practice the over zealous form of it, as such I'm annoyed by those who's intent is to force others to believe their views, no matter the cost.

Fair enough. I'm just saying you're all not Bible thumpers.

Also, Avenio's response.

[Birrapex]

One for each side....

All the species recognized by Botanists came forth from the Almighty Creator's hand, and the number of these is now and always will be exactly the same, while every day new and different florists' species arise from the true species so-called by Botanists, and when they have arisen they finally revert to the original forms. Accordingly to the former have been assigned by Nature fixed limits, beyond which they cannot go: while the latter display without end the infinite sport of Nature.

Scientists acknowledge God as the creator.

'Humani Generis', considered the doctrine of 'evolutionism' as a serious hypothesis, worthy of a more deeply studied investigation and reflection on a par with the opposite hypothesis. ... Today, more than a half century after this encyclical, new knowledge leads us to recognize in the theory of evolution more than a hypothesis. ... The convergence, neither sought nor induced, of results of work done independently one from the other, constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.

The Pope acknowledges evolution is fact.

[Norstal]

One for each side....

All the species recognized by Botanists came forth from the Almighty Creator's hand, and the number of these is now and always will be exactly the same, while every day new and different florists' species arise from the true species so-called by Botanists, and when they have arisen they finally revert to the original forms. Accordingly to the former have been assigned by Nature fixed limits, beyond which they cannot go: while the latter display without end the infinite sport of Nature.

Scientists acknowledge God as the creator.

*Looks at the year on his desktop.*
*Looks at Birrapex's post again.*

HOLY SHIT WE'RE IN 1775? WHY DIDN'T ANY OF YOU TOLD ME?

[Trotskylvania]

So was Mein Kampf.

No, that was a book based on the accounts of ONE man, who was an Atheist, and instituted government suppressed religion and touted scientific bases to wipe out millions of people.

Yeah, no.

If anything, Hitler had one god: himself.

[Birrapex]

One for each side....


Scientists acknowledge God as the creator.

*Looks at the year on his desktop.*
*Looks at Birrapex's post again.*

HOLY SHIT WE'RE IN 1775? WHY DIDN'T ANY OF YOU TOLD ME?

There's others about stem cells having a specific design that they follow without error, but I figured you would want something more substantial such as the base of evolution being based on creationism.

[Canuck Utopia]

Of course there is a God......just look around you.......the evidence is awe inspiring!! Enjoy this life and enjoy the afterlife forever!!

What if I'm ? What if I don't want forever?

It is all about choices (free will). If you are `enjoying life just fine without a god`....good for you. At the end of the day, perhaps God will give you an option on the `forever`part.

[DOPE420]

In my opinion anyone who thinks god is real is a complete retard.....
But I also believe in freedom of religion sooooo.
Whatever

[Lakititi]

Everything that people believe to be real are tangible or physical or logical. Where do you classify god in this?

If have a religion and you could somehow imagine a god outside the construct of your religion, what would it be? Will it exist?

God is not real. It is a delusion that sadly afflicts a lot of people.

Tell me this, if you have lost faith in man kind, then what do you believe if you don't believe in something that could exist?

I have not lost faith in man kind because we exist, we change, we do things, etc etc.. I have given up on those who are religious because there is no point in talking to someone who believes in something that does not exist.
I believe in the good in everyone. We will eventually make this world better through whatever means possible because of our conscious desire to live and enjoy life. Religion or simply the belief in a god screws everything up because there will be expectation, jealousy, greed and eventually anger within the believers (and also between other religions) of a certain religion.

[Nort Eurasia]

I'd rather worship CD.

[Lakititi]

In my opinion anyone who thinks god is real is a complete retard.....
But I also believe in freedom of religion sooooo.
Whatever

I also believe that people are free to be retards.

[Terraius]

Side 1: "God exists. Disprove it."
Side 2: "God doesn't exist. Prove it."

"One can be sure that neither side can be trusted or acknowledged as worthy sources, debaters, or intellectuals when the basis of the argument is shifting the burden of proof to the other."

[Norstal]

*Looks at the year on his desktop.*
*Looks at Birrapex's post again.*

HOLY SHIT WE'RE IN 1775? WHY DIDN'T ANY OF YOU TOLD ME?

There's others about stem cells having a specific design that they follow without error, but I figured you would want something more substantial such as the base of evolution being based on creationism.

Intelligent design is fraudulent.

I'm not sure what you meant by evolution being based on creationism, but nuclear physics says otherwise. Carbon dating shows that these plants and creatures don't come from no where.

Also, he can't speak for all scientists.

[Birrapex]

I have not lost faith in man kind because we exist, we change, we do things, etc etc.. I have given up on those who are religious because there is no point in talking to someone who believes in something that does not exist.
I believe in the good in everyone. We will eventually make this world better through whatever means possible because of our conscious desire to live and enjoy life. Religion or simply the belief in a god screws everything up because there will be expectation, jealousy, greed and eventually anger within the believers (and also between other religions) of a certain religion.

As long as humans want, there will be expectation, jealousy, greed, anger, and war. All of that is just human nature. We have desires and are given instincts to fight for and achieve those.

[The Black Forrest]

Of course there is a God......just look around you.......the evidence is awe inspiring!! Enjoy this life and enjoy the afterlife forever!!

^^ This ^^

There is a porno store on the way to work; where do I find God in there?

[DOPE420]

What i want to know is to know is how people can believe in somthin an commit their entier lives to that belief when their is absolutely NO evidince that that this being even exists....
Other than a 2000 year old book that has most deffinately been changed over the years by political powers to suit their own means...

[New Franco-Germany]

TO SUMMARIZE THIS BRIEFLY AND WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IDIOCY, WHICH I'M SURE I'LL GET SOME WITTY RESPONSES TO...
God = real and made everything and continues to allow the creation of new humans, don't take it for granted you silly atheists.
Evolution = some sad, lonely man's way of making himself look s00per smahrt and intellectual and scientific. Also theory =/= fact, ergo it isn't a fact.
Atheism = your choice and respectibly so, but don't blame others for the consequences.
That is all.

[Birrapex]

Intelligent design is fraudulent.

I'm not sure what you meant by evolution being based on creationism, but nuclear physics says otherwise. Carbon dating shows that these plants and creatures don't come from no where.

Also, he can't speak for all scientists.

1- I never said intelligent design. I said by design, which is the only explanation for a cell that is unable to have its course and function altered.

2- What I mean by evolution being based on creationism is, this theory was originally started to explain how God created the world not disprove the involvement of a deity. Even Darwin stated it, and his early work in the field reflected that. It wasn't until recently that atheists decided to use evolution as their banner.

3- Nuclear physics does not claim there was nothing in the beginning. In fact it still holds the claim that there was nothing, and in that nothing gasses collided. However, they have no explanation for anything prior to when the gasses collided. So, that area tends to be a bit hazy, being hush hush and all.

4- I never said he spoke for all scientists. Nor did I say all scientists believe in God. I said scientists believe in God, and this may hurt your delicate vision of scientists, but alot of them do.

5- Why didn't you have a problem with the 5 year old dead pope quote? He doesn't speak for all Christians and was a half a breath away from senile when he proclaimed that.