Should Finland join the NATO?

[EL80DK]

Ireland could become a soviet target, after the rest of Europe gets assraped in a world war 3.

What makes you think Europe would be raped by Russia with America, their own standing armies and probably militia?

[Conserative Morality]

Why not -_-

If Sweden could own it, I'm pretty sure anyone could -_-

Once, when it was inferior in weaponry, split up into multiple groups, et cetera.

[North Wiedna]

But it's already got the Hungarians...

Fun fact: Hungarian and Finnish belong to the same language group.

That would be Ugric.

[Greed and Death]

Ireland could become a soviet target, after the rest of Europe gets assraped in a world war 3.

What makes you think Europe would be raped by Russia with America, their own standing armies and probably militia?

The Russian troops will launch a suprise attack during beer fest using the Trojan Keg technique.

[Non Aligned States]

The Russian troops will launch a suprise attack during beer fest using the Trojan Keg technique.

Wouldn't work. You've never seen a thirsty and desperate German at work have you? Much less one who's had his beer supply swapped out for a (likely drunk) Russian commando.

It wouldn't be pretty.

[Yootopia]

Why not -_-

If Sweden could own it, I'm pretty sure anyone could -_-

Once, when it was inferior in weaponry, split up into multiple groups, et cetera.

Sweden is a shitload richer than Finland even today...

[Fighter4u]

NATO is useless these days. Russia will never be a threat again. War is obsolete. Disband it now. Then Canadians don't have to die for American Imperialism.

It's not entirely the fault of Americans. Our mission would have been a hell of a lot less dangerous if Harper kept it in his pants and allowed the troops to remain in Kabul and the surrounding areas instead of going to Kandahar and the more volatile areas of the region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_F ... fghanistan

The statistics reveal something interesting. From 2002-2005, we had few casualties which included the friendly fire incident in which the US killed four Canadians, wounding eight others. Only eight were killed in that time period. From 2005 onward, the numbers per year sky rocket. The increase happened because the mission was changed by the Conservatives.

O yes. Hide in Kabul well the Taliban over run the countryside, unleash terror upon the people and have the poppies remain untouched. After staying Kabul until 2010, leave with few deaths and then watch as Kabul gets over ran by Taliban fighters and even more Afgans died.

So yeah we could do what the cowards like France and Germany do and hide in a city or a base. And frankly that is what we did do. You know why we had so few deaths? Because the Vandoos hid in their base and never went outside. I know this because I met a soldier who returned after serving their. He says when they got their they told the Vandoos to get their shit together and do their job. Heck we even had Americans soldiers serving under us.

And frankly I'm proud that Canada could go into the Taliban southern stronghold and bring peace and security to the area. The Afgans people want us their and they are like us because we build schools, hospitals,sewers and let girls go to school. Afgans want to have a better tomorrow and I'm proud Canada has not backed down and instead stepped up and help take part in a better tomorrow.

Sure soldiers died. Thats is sad. But our soldiers signed up for this. They agreed to go to Afghanistan and knew the risks when they signed up to serve. They are proud of what they are doing over their and we are showing to the world that we still got it. To run just because a few soldiers have died is childish and is one of the few things that annoy me about Liberals. This is a war and in war people died. They don't play patty cake.

[Greed and Death]

The Russian troops will launch a suprise attack during beer fest using the Trojan Keg technique.

Wouldn't work. You've never seen a thirsty and desperate German at work have you? Much less one who's had his beer supply swapped out for a (likely drunk) Russian commando.

It wouldn't be pretty.

No the design works much better.
First they use kegs large enough to fit tanks in.
second the keg does have a layer of beer in it that can only go out through the tap, not into the solider compartment.
However the beer has been laced with wine so that any German drinking it will temporary be turned into Frenchmen.

[EL80DK]

Ireland could become a soviet target, after the rest of Europe gets assraped in a world war 3.

What makes you think Europe would be raped by Russia with America, their own standing armies and probably militia?

The Russian troops will launch a suprise attack during beer fest using the Trojan Keg technique.

Apart from the technique, sounds like Red Storm Rising. And you do realise the only country which has a beer fest is Germany? Ireland has one everyday de facto, as I learnt in Gremanagh. I has cider fest.

[EL80DK]

The Russian troops will launch a suprise attack during beer fest using the Trojan Keg technique.

Wouldn't work. You've never seen a thirsty and desperate German at work have you? Much less one who's had his beer supply swapped out for a (likely drunk) Russian commando.

It wouldn't be pretty.

No the design works much better.
First they use kegs large enough to fit tanks in.
second the keg does have a layer of beer in it that can only go out through the tap, not into the solider compartment.
However the beer has been laced with wine so that any German drinking it will temporary be turned into Frenchmen.

If you're not English, I'll eat my hat.

[Greed and Death]

Wouldn't work. You've never seen a thirsty and desperate German at work have you? Much less one who's had his beer supply swapped out for a (likely drunk) Russian commando.

It wouldn't be pretty.

No the design works much better.
First they use kegs large enough to fit tanks in.
second the keg does have a layer of beer in it that can only go out through the tap, not into the solider compartment.
However the beer has been laced with wine so that any German drinking it will temporary be turned into Frenchmen.

If you're not English, I'll eat my hat.

Nope I am American and a Texan at that.

[The Phoenix Milita]

No, because they don't need to, and Finland doesn't really have the kind of professional army needed by the countries in NATO nowadays for their globetrotting missions.

That's the whole point of NATO, that way if Finland is attacked, all the NATO countries can help it. Look at Iceland - no standing army at all and a NATO member.

[EL80DK]

No the design works much better.
First they use kegs large enough to fit tanks in.
second the keg does have a layer of beer in it that can only go out through the tap, not into the solider compartment.
However the beer has been laced with wine so that any German drinking it will temporary be turned into Frenchmen.

If you're not English, I'll eat my hat.

Nope I am American and a Texan at that.

Ah. It's just the norm for me to see Englishmen making cracks about France in WWII so as to forget Napolen and Joan D'Arc.

Nice joke, by the way.

[Yootopia]

No, because they don't need to, and Finland doesn't really have the kind of professional army needed by the countries in NATO nowadays for their globetrotting missions.

That's the whole point of NATO, that way if Finland is attacked, all the NATO countries can help it. Look at Iceland - no traditional military at all and a NATO member.

Uhu... if you didn't selectively quote what I said though...

NATO is more an instrument of US foreign policy than anything else, and any country that joins which has an army but is really reluctant to send it abroad is just going to look a bit stupid.

[EL80DK]

No, because they don't need to, and Finland doesn't really have the kind of professional army needed by the countries in NATO nowadays for their globetrotting missions.

That's the whole point of NATO, that way if Finland is attacked, all the NATO countries can help it. Look at Iceland - no traditional military at all and a NATO member.

Uhu... if you didn't selectively quote what I said though...

NATO is more an instrument of US foreign policy than anything else, and any country that joins which has an army but is really reluctant to send it abroad is just going to look a bit stupid.

Seconded.

[Yootopia]

Ah. It's just the norm for me to see Englishmen making cracks about France in WWII so as to forget Napolen

Ahem. We beat Napoleon pretty savagely, twice, and he never set foot on British soil...

and Joan D'Arc.

Our monarchy is never particularly British, so eh... it losing its holdings over there is more an issue of sibling rivalry than national calamity.

[The Phoenix Milita]

Name one instance of nato being used in this way besides current afghan conflict.

[EL80DK]

Ah. It's just the norm for me to see Englishmen making cracks about France in WWII so as to forget Napolen

Ahem. We beat Napoleon pretty savagely, twice, and he never set foot on British soil...

and Joan D'Arc.

Our monarchy is never particularly British, so eh... it losing its holdings over there is more an issue of sibling rivalry than national calamity.

I meant it as in the fashion that no Englishman will achknowledge the fact that Bonaparte conquered most of Europe when cracking up about 'lol France conquered by Germany LOL!'.

[Non Aligned States]

No the design works much better.
First they use kegs large enough to fit tanks in.
second the keg does have a layer of beer in it that can only go out through the tap, not into the solider compartment.
However the beer has been laced with wine so that any German drinking it will temporary be turned into Frenchmen.

The bigger the keg, the thirstier the German, and the bigger the crowd. The layer would be drained dry by the first 10 steins. You'd only turn a handful into Frenchmen, the rest would be still 100% German, and more importantly, 100% mob of beer deprived Germans. Your tanks would be ripped apart.

[Mariahamn]

*Mutisee jotakin kuinka Ahvenanmaa ei ole osa Suomea.* Well, I actually don't know why people avoid those subjects and I've never avoided them.

I'm not entirely certain about what you wrote. I do understand "Ahvenanmaa ei ole osa Suomea" and that's the subject for an entirely different thread, but to give you my opinion in a nutshell, it is now.

Jag har aldrig förstått den språkliga frågran i finland. Det finns verkligen ingen skillnad mellan "riktiga" finnar och finlandssvenskar utom ens modersmål.

[Greed and Death]

No the design works much better.
First they use kegs large enough to fit tanks in.
second the keg does have a layer of beer in it that can only go out through the tap, not into the solider compartment.
However the beer has been laced with wine so that any German drinking it will temporary be turned into Frenchmen.

The bigger the keg, the thirstier the German, and the bigger the crowd. The layer would be drained dry by the first 10 steins. You'd only turn a handful into Frenchmen, the rest would be still 100% German, and more importantly, 100% mob of beer deprived Germans. Your tanks would be ripped apart.

But the first to drink would be the mayor and other leaders of the city. who would surrender before the beer thirsty Germans had a change to frenzy. Also the Russians will use WMD's if all else fails and send their strategic bombers to drop Bud light on all the breweries in Germany, if resistance continues.

[New Manvir]

I don't care, if they want to. Just remember BYOB.

[The South Islands]

NATO is useless these days. Russia will never be a threat again. War is obsolete. Disband it now. Then Canadians don't have to die for American Imperialism.

It's not entirely the fault of Americans. Our mission would have been a hell of a lot less dangerous if Harper kept it in his pants and allowed the troops to remain in Kabul and the surrounding areas instead of going to Kandahar and the more volatile areas of the region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_F ... fghanistan

The statistics reveal something interesting. From 2002-2005, we had few casualties which included the friendly fire incident in which the US killed four Canadians, wounding eight others. Only eight were killed in that time period. From 2005 onward, the numbers per year sky rocket. The increase happened because the mission was changed by the Conservatives.

They point is they never should have been there in the first place.

NATO was an anti-soviet alliance bent on preventing Communist takeover etc etc. And perhaps preventing large scale war.

That is obsolete now. Industrialized nations with the capability to fund large militaries are far to economically interdependant on each other to risk large scale war again. Therefore, the entire rationale behind NATO is no longer applicable. It exists now only to give an international face to American imperialist dreams.

End NATO now. Let American blood be shed for American dreams of conquest. Let not other nations be drawn in to the US's imperial ambitions.

[Neu Leonstein]

So yeah we could do what the cowards like France and Germany do and hide in a city or a base.

To be fair, somewhat under the cover of the news media not caring, things are changing, albeit slowly.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 46,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 17,00.html

And cowards is kinda inappropriate a word to use too. It's not like the troops particularly like the rules being imposed on them, it's the politicians and big sections of the public who are responsible.

[Maurepas]

If Finland wants to, I would say we'll take whatever we can get...Besides, when the Russians come knockin, itd be nice to have someone who's country has experience kicking their ass,