Should Finland join the NATO?

[Western Mercenary Unio]

I'm not entirely certain about what you wrote. I do understand "Ahvenanmaa ei ole osa Suomea" and that's the subject for an entirely different thread, but to give you my opinion in a nutshell, it is now.

Jag har aldrig förstått den språkliga frågran i finland. Det finns verkligen ingen skillnad mellan "riktiga" finnar och finlandssvenskar utom ens modersmål.

En minä oikeasti ajattele sillä tavalla. Se oli vitsi, ehkä huono vitsi mutta vitsi kuitenkin.

[Risottia]

The U.S. isn't an Imperialist power since we have fought imperial nations since our founding.

Quite a faulty logic there.

1.It could just be that the US wanted to take the place of those empires it was fighting. Hint: Spanish Empire, USA, Cuba, Philippines. Does that ring a bell?
2.Go tell that "the US isn't an imperialist power" to Iraqis.

Please, that was in the late 1800's early 1900's, they teach you that crap in Middle School for Christ sake.

Has it happened OR not? Because it was YOU the one who was making claims like "since our funding we did that hence...". So late 1800 is ok as a counterexample.

I'll tell that to any Iraqi, who gave them the right to choose their government after decades of death and torture under Saddam?

And who gave them Saddam?
A hint:

guess what country a certain Mr.Reagan was president of and a certain Mr.Rumsfeld was "special envoy for the ME" for.

Who protected them against hard line radical muslims who would kill ANYONE who got in their way?

Were there ANY radical muslims bombing people in Iraq BEFORE the 2003 invasion? No. So their presence is a byproduct of that invasion. Should the Iraqis thank the US because they're trying to lessen a bit the mess they've made?

If you live in the U.S. you sir, should be damned proud that you have the right to say what you say.

Luckily I don't live on that side of the pond. And I have the right to say what I say nevertheless.

[Bears Armed]

Ah. It's just the norm for me to see Englishmen making cracks about France in WWII so as to forget Napolen and Joan D'Arc.

Why should we feel any need to forget Napoleon? We (with help from some other countries, admittedly) beat Napoleon...

[EL80DK]

Ah. It's just the norm for me to see Englishmen making cracks about France in WWII so as to forget Napolen and Joan D'Arc.

Why should we feel any need to forget Napoleon? We (with help from some other countries, admittedly) beat Napoleon...

You shouldn't forget about you lot and others kicking Bonaparte arse, but it is annoying to me that whenever a bunch of Englishmen start cracking up about WWII France and I remind them of Bonaparte, they virtually put their hands over theirs ears and shout either 'we owned you Irish' or some jingoistic bullshit. They never recognise that Bonaparte kicked a hefty amount of European arse, just the one instance in WWII when France surrendered to what is admittingly the then-huge Nazi armies and the Nazi asskicking of Europe, only being stopped at Stalingrad, D-Day and several other important events in World War II.

Of course, it is entertaining whenever I mention 'Roman legions', buy a cider and walk away.

[Mirkana]

Honestly, I believe someday Russia will probably join NATO.

That would be a great thing. I would love to see the day when American and Russian soldiers fight side by side.

[Fighter4u]

So yeah we could do what the cowards like France and Germany do and hide in a city or a base.

To be fair, somewhat under the cover of the news media not caring, things are changing, albeit slowly.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 46,00.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger ... 17,00.html

And cowards is kinda inappropriate a word to use too. It's not like the troops particularly like the rules being imposed on them, it's the politicians and big sections of the public who are responsible.

Well its good to see you guys joining in the fight. Just never forget this war is for a good cause. Its not over resources,control of a region or to kill a ethic group but to destroy a group of people who have oppress the Afgans people for far too long. A safer Afghanistan is a safer Middle East.

[Neu Leonstein]

Well its good to see you guys joining in the fight. Just never forget this war is for a good cause. Its not over resources,control of a region or to kill a ethic group but to destroy a group of people who have oppress the Afgans people for far too long. A safer Afghanistan is a safer Middle East.

I have a more nuanced stance on this, for if that was our motivation, there are other places we should be probably more pressingly. I'm not a supporter of the conflict there because I support the violent introduction of democracy in principle*, but because I consider it part of a two-pronged approach to sort out Pakistan.

*not that I don't, just, as I said, North Korea probably deserves it more than Afghanistan..

[Fighter4u]

Well its good to see you guys joining in the fight. Just never forget this war is for a good cause. Its not over resources,control of a region or to kill a ethic group but to destroy a group of people who have oppress the Afgans people for far too long. A safer Afghanistan is a safer Middle East.

I have a more nuanced stance on this, for if that was our motivation, there are other places we should be probably more pressingly. I'm not a supporter of the conflict there because I support the violent introduction of democracy in principle*, but because I consider it part of a two-pronged approach to sort out Pakistan.

*not that I don't, just, as I said, North Korea probably deserves it more than Afghanistan..

O, I know that its all about sorting out Pakistan. I'm just saying were also doing a hell of a lot of good here also.

[Jerenia]

Sweden is a shitload richer than Finland even today...

Check your facts:
Sweden's GDP (nominal) per capita is $52,180 and Finland's is $51,588. If you think a couple of hundreds of dollars is a 'shitload', then be my guest, but I disagree...

[The Araucania]

NO!

[Greed and Death]

No, It is nice to have a buffer between NATO and Russia.

[Andaluciae]

Sweden is a shitload richer than Finland even today...

Check your facts:
Sweden's GDP (nominal) per capita is $52,180 and Finland's is $51,588. If you think a couple of hundreds of dollars is a 'shitload', then be my guest, but I disagree...

Why, praytell, did you wake the zombie?

[Reich-Swehr]

Well its good to see you guys joining in the fight. Just never forget this war is for a good cause. Its not over resources,control of a region or to kill a ethic group but to destroy a group of people who have oppress the Afgans people for far too long. A safer Afghanistan is a safer Middle East.

I have a more nuanced stance on this, for if that was our motivation, there are other places we should be probably more pressingly. I'm not a supporter of the conflict there because I support the violent introduction of democracy in principle*, but because I consider it part of a two-pronged approach to sort out Pakistan.

*not that I don't, just, as I said, North Korea probably deserves it more than Afghanistan..

O, I know that its all about sorting out Pakistan. I'm just saying were also doing a hell of a lot of good here also.

the UK or Canada would likely never touch Pakistan, it is a Commonwealth Realm.
Concerning Canadian troops in Southern Afghanistan, in Helmand and stuff, it is very much welcomed, the British Army are proud to serve alongside the Canadians.

[Philimbesi]

ZOMBIE!!! Pass me the Jugger-nog!

[Disco Tetris]

No, It is nice to have a buffer between NATO and Russia.

Well, we already admitted the Baltic States.

[New Manvir]

Well its good to see you guys joining in the fight. Just never forget this war is for a good cause. Its not over resources,control of a region or to kill a ethic group but to destroy a group of people who have oppress the Afgans people for far too long. A safer Afghanistan is a safer Middle East.

I have a more nuanced stance on this, for if that was our motivation, there are other places we should be probably more pressingly. I'm not a supporter of the conflict there because I support the violent introduction of democracy in principle*, but because I consider it part of a two-pronged approach to sort out Pakistan.

*not that I don't, just, as I said, North Korea probably deserves it more than Afghanistan..

O, I know that its all about sorting out Pakistan. I'm just saying were also doing a hell of a lot of good here also.

the UK or Canada would likely never touch Pakistan, it is a Commonwealth Realm.
Concerning Canadian troops in Southern Afghanistan, in Helmand and stuff, it is very much welcomed, the British Army are proud to serve alongside the Canadians.

No it's not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Realm

EDIT: My bad. They were kicked out, but we let them back in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonweal ... Suspension

[The Baltic Alliance]

Why would anybody want Finland to join anything?

[The Southern Dictators]

No, Finland should not join NATO