Is a fetus a person

[Chumblywumbly]

I will always post according to the way I was brought up and what I know, even if it's little, of the world around me, as I perceive it.

But what if the way you were brought up was wrong?

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I hate you.

[Grave_n_idle]

[The "Spanish pet" in question is a person . . .

Master/Slave relationships? Disgusting.

Oh lawd, don't say shit like that, it'll start aNOTHER threadjack.

Fixed.

[Concurria]

You still haven't managed to either answer my points, or recant your argument. You're hardly in the position of authority here.

But you are?
You're arguing that I am mistaken in something I was taught and that I hold because it's the way I was brought up.

No - I'm arguing that you made some nonsensical claims, that you don't even uphold, yourself

That makes you a hypocite.

Worse, you won't admit that those claims were... shall we say, 'ill-advised'?


So... yes. I have the position of authority. My arguments, whether you like the or not, are consistent, logical, and true to my actions.

These words have become so meaningless.

[Ifreann]

Master/Slave relationships? Disgusting.

Oh lawd, don't say shit like that, it'll start aNOTHER threadjack.

Fixed.

Well, you have me there.

[Grave_n_idle]

Oh lawd, don't say shit like that, it'll start aNOTHER threadjack.

Fixed.

Well, you have me there.

Yeah.... shame I had to jack the thread to do it...

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

You were the one who turned the offer down because of your infatuation with your Spanish pet, why should anyone else follow suit?

Oh, this is precious. ROFLMFAO!!

[Redwulf]

Did someone bring up that they love their pet more than people and that if given the choice they'd say good ole' Riley as opposed to Mr. Smith next door?

I really have great distaste for those people.

The "Spanish pet" in question is a person . . .

Master/Slave relationships? Disgusting.

Remember that she's being refered to as his "Spanish pet" not by the poster in question, but by little miss bunny boiler.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Remember that she's being refered to as his "Spanish pet" not by the poster in question, but by little miss bunny boiler.

To end the threadjack, let me say one thing. He does calls me ''pet'' as an endearing term.

On to the OP: I still don't know what to think. Fetus: person or non-person. I don't know, tbh.

[Poliwanacraca]

Did someone bring up that they love their pet more than people and that if given the choice they'd say good ole' Riley as opposed to Mr. Smith next door?

I really have great distaste for those people.

The "Spanish pet" in question is a person . . .

Master/Slave relationships? Disgusting.

I'm not threadjacking.

But man, do I want to.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm not threadjacking.

But man, do I want to.

Indulge sweetheart. That serpent tongue of yours needs freedom.

[Poliwanacraca]

I'm not threadjacking.

But man, do I want to.

Indulge sweetheart. That serpent tongue of yours needs freedom.

Nah, I'll save up my powers of verbal-evisceration for another day. I've had to use them too much lately what with rape threads and abortion threads on the forum at the same time.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I'm not threadjacking.

But man, do I want to.

Indulge sweetheart. That serpent tongue of yours needs freedom.

Nah, I'll save up my powers of verbal-evisceration for another day. I've had to use them too much lately what with rape threads and abortion threads on the forum at the same time.

Agreed. Those do get one's mind tired. Another time.

But I was hoping you would. It would have been incredibly amusing, as always.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Motherhood is not enslavement. You're crazy if think that.

Motherhood is one of the most precious and dutiful aspects of a woman's life and she should never shy away from it. It's her moral duty.

This is gonna ramble, bear with me.

I’m curious, Minnas. Are you a mother that you know these things inherently?

I ask, because I am – of two, eight years in between them no less. Gives one time to think, and grow, and develop an informed opinion, that.

You, nor, I, nor anyone else here has the right to ascribe the duty of motherhood to any other woman. Far too many different circumstances, mindsets, abilities, etc to suggest that. Motherhood – indeed, parenthood, isn’t for everyone. Think for a moment about all those women who according to you, did not ‘shy away’ from said ‘duty’, and then promptly abused, neglected, or even killed those children. Responsible? Dutiful? I bloody well think not.

No matter how cliché the saying is these days, it –is- a choice, or ought to be. That being ‘to become a parent, or not’, all other considerations and details aside. Me, I’d rather those who doubt their ability to parent, who would rather not parent, or who feel they might, but are not ready to parent actually, well … not parent. Far better that than the alternative, I figure. Granted, I’d rather they not put themselves in a position to have to choose between birth or abortion, but there you have it.

It’s no secret that I am no fan of abortion, and very much believe in making responsible choices. I think it’s a horrible thing. I believe that little bundle of cells to be a baby at a fairly early point in a pregnancy, and nothing a damn one of you can say will make me feel differently about that. Like I said – been there, done that, know exactly how I felt at the time, and still do feel about the entire process.

All the same, just because I have my opinions on it does not grant me the right to tell every other woman out there what she ought or ought not be doing in that regard. Nor does it give me the right to follow people around spouting how wrong they are at every given opportunity just because I disagree in principle. I don’t know them from anyone else. I don’t know their situation or mindset. Doing that would make me come off as quite the prat – something I’ll note you seem to be doing on the forums, especially in regards to your favorite targets that you appear to follow thread to thread harassing to the point of ridiculousness.

As for not being a slave – I suppose that depends entirely on your point of view. I would suggest that every parent here has felt the burden of their responsibility more keenly at some times than others. I know having children turned my life upside-down, and required that I give up a good deal of myself, my time, and even my habits to compensate. My life is no longer my own, willingly, happily, or not. Priorities have changed because of the kids. Schedules are based on the kids. Choices in jobs are made with the kids foremost in mind. I’m an entirely different person than what I would be if not for my kids. Can’t even begin to give you the full scope of what I’ve done with and in my life for my kids.

Call it what you will, but blessings associated with or not? Once you have kids, your life as you knew it is –over-. And you’re crazy if you think otherwise. So yes. I’d much rather people not put themselves in that position unless they’re willing to accept everything that goes with it. And yes, I’d much rather those who would rather not, to just not. And I’ll be the first to congratulate them on an intelligent decision, even though I happen to feel that motherhood has made me a better person overall, and I’ve no idea what I’d do without my two little terrors.

tl;dr : Don’t be silly. And unless you can speak from experience, or come from something other than a simple biased belief that for whatever reason has taken up residence in yer noggin, shush.

[Redwulf]

It’s no secret that I am no fan of abortion, and very much believe in making responsible choices. I think it’s a horrible thing. I believe that little bundle of cells to be a baby at a fairly early point in a pregnancy, and nothing a damn one of you can say will make me feel differently about that.

Mostly a wonderful post, but are you saying you would let poor Janitor Bob die in the fire?

[Intangelon]

You still haven't managed to either answer my points, or recant your argument. You're hardly in the position of authority here.

But you are?
You're arguing that I am mistaken in something I was taught and that I hold because it's the way I was brought up. The sole reason you do this is because you disagree with it. I can understand that. I, however, do not need to tolerate my own views being insulted by you or anyone by the simple reason that someone on the internet disagrees with me. I'm not wrong in thinking this and you're just pretentious posters who think everyone needs to think the same as you, and if they don't, they're infantile and their points of view do not matter. I keep seeing this, all over the forum.

And yet...

I refuse to be part of stupid cliques. I will always post according to the way I was brought up and what I know, even if it's little, of the world around me, as I perceive it. You don't like it, don't debate with me.

So it's only the stupid cliques you refuse to be a part of. Got it.

Your defense of "it's how I was raised" is no defense. It's an excuse. You're free to use it -- many do -- but you cannot expect that to hold up in a debate. NOTICE: I haven't said your inherited, inculcated belief makes you wrong in and of itself. Your adherence to it without question, however, is a different story.

[Concurria]

Indulge sweetheart. That serpent tongue of yours needs freedom.

Nah, I'll save up my powers of verbal-evisceration for another day. I've had to use them too much lately what with rape threads and abortion threads on the forum at the same time.

Agreed. Those do get one's mind tired. Another time.

But I was hoping you would. It would have been incredibly amusing, as always.

Someone trying to defend fetishism for absolute-human-subservience would be kinda funny, like watching a dog walk on two feet for extended periods of time.

[Poliwanacraca]

Someone trying to defend fetishism for absolute-human-subservience would be kinda funny, like watching a dog walk on two feet for extended periods of time.

That seems to be a strange thing for you to say, given that you seem to be begging me to tear you and your bigoted little argument to shreds. How very masochistic of you.

If you insist on a threadjack, I'm sure you won't mind explaining precisely how other people's consensual relationships require "defending" in the first place?

[Redwulf]

Someone trying to defend fetishism for absolute-human-subservience would be kinda funny, like watching a dog walk on two feet for extended periods of time.

That seems to be a strange thing for you to say, given that you seem to be begging me to tear you and your bigoted little argument to shreds. How very masochistic of you.

If you insist on a threadjack, I'm sure you won't mind explaining precisely how other people's consensual relationships require "defending" in the first place?

It's not like their relationship and that makes it icky.