Is a fetus a person

[Minnas]

So, I'll be expecting you to bear my children, like you said. Tell me when to expect you.

Friendly advice:

Don't touch that.

Ah yes, here comes Dork Lamer.

[Grave_n_idle]

So, I'll be expecting you to bear my children, like you said. Tell me when to expect you.

Friendly advice:

Don't touch that.

Minnas said she will have any man's child. She didn't use those exact words, of course, but her own words tie her into that knot.

So, logically, she will have my children - which is cool. I always wanted a huge family.

[Dyakovo]

No, no its not.

Your morals are not my morals.

I would say that women have a moral duty to be GOOD mothers (when they are mothers). To bring an unwanted child into the world is a moral failing.

Damn it all Ash, you beat me to it...
Just for that I'm correcting your grammatical errors...

sorry hun.

i should have let you eviscerate him. its so hard to resist temptation...

No worries, I would have said pretty much the same thing...

[Chumblywumbly]

Presuming that, according to you, being "responsible of your acts" is carrying the pregnancy to birth, how, exactly, is it one's moral duty to do so?

Facing consequences. When you make a mistake, face the consequences. Abortion is not the only option a woman has, and it shouldn't be the first. There's adoption. You don't want the baby, birth it and then give it up for adoption. But you're taking the chance away from a soul that didn't ask to be brought to this earth. It's not fair.

You are making a bold claim: one is morally obliged to face any and all consequences of any mistake one makes.

Your reasoning would be...?

[Minnas]

So, I'll be expecting you to bear my children, like you said. Tell me when to expect you.

Friendly advice:

Don't touch that.

Minnas said she will have any man's child. She didn't use those exact words, of course, but her own words tie her into that knot.

So, logically, she will have my children - which is cool. I always wanted a huge family.

My words said nothing of the sort. Again, you read in them what seems to suit you. Clever!

[Galloism]

So, I'll be expecting you to bear my children, like you said. Tell me when to expect you.

Friendly advice:

Don't touch that.

Minnas said she will have any man's child. She didn't use those exact words, of course, but her own words tie her into that knot.

So, logically, she will have my children - which is cool. I always wanted a huge family.

I know, I'm just saying. You don't want to be propositioning the underage on the internet. Especially this one.

[Minnas]

Presuming that, according to you, being "responsible of your acts" is carrying the pregnancy to birth, how, exactly, is it one's moral duty to do so?

Facing consequences. When you make a mistake, face the consequences. Abortion is not the only option a woman has, and it shouldn't be the first. There's adoption. You don't want the baby, birth it and then give it up for adoption. But you're taking the chance away from a soul that didn't ask to be brought to this earth. It's not fair.

You are making a bold claim: one is morally obliged to face any and all consequences of any mistake one makes.

Your reasoning would be...?

I make this bold statement because my religion has taught it to me. Are you implying that my beliefs are wrong because you don't share them?

[Dyakovo]

Minnas said she will have any man's child. She didn't use those exact words, of course, but her own words tie her into that knot.

So, logically, she will have my children - which is cool. I always wanted a huge family.

My words said nothing of the sort. Again, you read in them what seems to suit you. Clever!

So you didn't say this?

Motherhood is one of the most precious and dutiful aspects of a woman's life and she should never shy away from it. It's her moral duty.

It would appear that you are shying away from your moral duty. You'll probably burn in hell for it...

[Grave_n_idle]

Friendly advice:

Don't touch that.

Minnas said she will have any man's child. She didn't use those exact words, of course, but her own words tie her into that knot.

So, logically, she will have my children - which is cool. I always wanted a huge family.

My words said nothing of the sort. Again, you read in them what seems to suit you. Clever!

I notice you avoided actually dealing with that, so your denial here is just weak.

As I already pointed out...

You said a woman should "never shy away from it".

You appear to be shying away.

Where's your so called "moral duty", now?



Or are you going to recant your earlier argument?

[Dyakovo]

Your reasoning would be...?

I make this bold statement because my religion has taught it to me. Are you implying that my beliefs are wrong because you don't share them?

Yes.

[Minnas]

So, logically, she will have my children - which is cool. I always wanted a huge family.

I know, I'm just saying. You don't want to be propositioning the underage on the internet. Especially this one.[/quote]

You were the one who turned the offer down because of your infatuation with your Spanish pet, why should anyone else follow suit?

[Grave_n_idle]

Friendly advice:

Don't touch that.

Minnas said she will have any man's child. She didn't use those exact words, of course, but her own words tie her into that knot.

So, logically, she will have my children - which is cool. I always wanted a huge family.

I know, I'm just saying. You don't want to be propositioning the underage on the internet. Especially this one.

Ugh - I don't want to have sex with it!

I was assuming she'd come and collect the samples when's she's legally old enough.

[Grave_n_idle]

You were the one who turned the offer down because of your infatuation with your Spanish pet, why should anyone else follow suit?

More likely, he turned down the offer because internet stalking just screams desperate.

[Minnas]

I notice you avoided actually dealing with that, so your denial here is just weak.

As I already pointed out...

You said a woman should "never shy away from it".

You appear to be shying away.

Where's your so called "moral duty", now?



Or are you going to recant your earlier argument?

I am underage. But when the time comes, if I become pregnant, I won't shy away from it.

[Grave_n_idle]

I notice you avoided actually dealing with that, so your denial here is just weak.

As I already pointed out...

You said a woman should "never shy away from it".

You appear to be shying away.

Where's your so called "moral duty", now?



Or are you going to recant your earlier argument?

I am underage. But when the time comes, if I become pregnant, I won't shy away from it.

That's not what you said - you said a woman should NEVER shy away from it. Never is a big word.

Are you implying there is choice, now?

That women can CHOOSE when they want to experience motherhood?

[Dyakovo]

I notice you avoided actually dealing with that, so your denial here is just weak.

As I already pointed out...

You said a woman should "never shy away from it".

You appear to be shying away.

Where's your so called "moral duty", now?



Or are you going to recant your earlier argument?

I am underage. But when the time comes, if I become pregnant, I won't shy away from it.

As long as you have reached puberty you are old enough to become pregnant, therefore it is just an excuse to get out os your moral duty.

[Minnas]

Your reasoning would be...?

I make this bold statement because my religion has taught it to me. Are you implying that my beliefs are wrong because you don't share them?

Yes.

I'm so sorry for you. Because your lack of belief and moral fiber aren't a problem for me and yet you dare accuse my own beliefs. You're daring, and deluded.

[Chumblywumbly]

You are making a bold claim: one is morally obliged to face any and all consequences of any mistake one makes.

Your reasoning would be...?

I make this bold statement because my religion has taught it to me. Are you implying that my beliefs are wrong because you don't share them?

I'm saying that you're wrong, not implying it.

Moreover, I recall no direct commandment of the Christian god that states one has a moral duty to face the consequences of one's mistakes. Indeed, if Christ died for our sins so that we might go to heaven, it would seem that we explicitly don't face the consequences.

[Redwulf]

I make this bold statement because my religion has taught it to me. Are you implying that my beliefs are wrong because you don't share them?

No, I think it's the reverse. People here don't share your beliefs because your beliefs are wrong.

[Minnas]

You were the one who turned the offer down because of your infatuation with your Spanish pet, why should anyone else follow suit?

More likely, he turned down the offer because internet stalking just screams desperate.

That is none of your business. He's infatuated with that woman, and she's so meek it's nauseating. But we're not here to discuss that.

[Minnas]

You are making a bold claim: one is morally obliged to face any and all consequences of any mistake one makes.

Your reasoning would be...?

I make this bold statement because my religion has taught it to me. Are you implying that my beliefs are wrong because you don't share them?

I'm saying that you're wrong, not implying it.

Moreover, I recall no direct commandment of the Christian god that states one has a moral duty to face the consequences of one's mistakes. Indeed, if Christ died for our sins so that we might go to heaven, it would seem that we explicitly don't face the consequences.

But the morals taught to me by both my religion and my family call me to answer that duty. No, I'm not wrong.

[Dyakovo]

I make this bold statement because my religion has taught it to me. Are you implying that my beliefs are wrong because you don't share them?

Yes.

I'm so sorry for you. Because your lack of belief and moral fiber aren't a problem for me and yet you dare accuse my own beliefs. You're daring, and deluded.

Dare? Hell yes, I dare. There's nothing to it. You endorse forcing women into slavery, that right there says to me that your beliefs aren't worth a damn.

[Concurria]

Epistemologically speaking, if a human is a human being because the human being has depth, then few people are humans in the life of the individual. Depth of a person is experienced, not seen on first contact. If you argue that a person is a person because they have the potential for depth, then, you're committing the potential fallacy that so many people from the Fetus-Not-Person camp tout.

If we only valued humans because of their sentience and intelligence then we would only value our mothers and fathers, close friends, and a few close family. We don't know if the human being is as deep as we believe. That's simply a matter of faith.

[Phenia]

You were the one who turned the offer down because of your infatuation with your Spanish pet, why should anyone else follow suit?

More likely, he turned down the offer because internet stalking just screams desperate.

That is none of your business. He's infatuated with that woman, and she's so meek it's nauseating. But we're not here to discuss that.

I've taken a wrong step somewhere and wound up at Disney Drama TV.

Guess that's the end of the debate eh.

[Minnas]

Dare? Hell yes, I dare. There's nothing to it. You endorse forcing women into slavery, that right there says to me that your beliefs aren't worth a damn.

Just as what you say means shit to me. I guess we agree there.