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*BREAKING NEWS*: Debates are forbidden on NS

Postby Hairless Kitten II » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:21 am

Open letter to the NS audience

Dear NS people,

Whatever you say on NS, someone will not agree and another will eventually get upset. Some will even call you a dumb fucker and few will even suggest to kill you for your philosophy, concept, argument or idea.

At such, almost every thread can be considered as trolling, since you always will upset at least one man, woman or a dog with a baseball cap.

NS changed a lot since the ‘Big Move’ from Jolt. The forum GUI is uglier and is less user-friendly, the audience changed (dropped in average age by instance) and the mods their attitude against trolling changed as well.

On Jolt you could discuss about the existence or non-existence of god(s) as long you were more or less polite and not victimizing certain groups. It was certainly possible to start a thread like “God doesn’t exist”, just because this one is polite and not victimizing people, at least the initial posting created by me. Maybe you don’t like the content or don’t share the idea, but it is in no way offending.

Today this is considered as trolling and as a consequence locked. If it is really trolling, which it probably is – who am I to disagree with the opinion of the mods, I’m not worthy - then we can’t debate about anything anymore.

Starting from today, forget debating about:

• Obama
• Bush
• America
• Europe
• China
• Iceland
• Atheism
• Religion
• Communism
• Capitalism
• Politics
• Abortion
• Euthanasia
• Ferrari vs Porsche
• Barcelona vs Real Madrid
• The rights of homosexuals
• Superman vs Spiderman
• Jews & Palestine
• The war in Iraq and Afghanistan
• Hot Lesbians
• …

All those topics have allies, enemies, believers, non-believers, people that simple agree and do not agree. Whatever line you’ll write, you certainly will upset someone and thus troll people.

It seems that debates are now forbidden at NS. Which is sad, because that was the reason I was on board.

I understand that the mods suffer a hard time. Their Moderation section is triggered more by the (new) users than ever before. It seems that everyone is flaming and trolling. If you disagree, go to the moderation section, yell ‘TROLLING’ and they will lock the thread. I understand that they have to adjust their way of working to the new audience which is clearly much younger than the dirty old men and women from Jolt. The new kids on the block are much easier upset, suffer from weak debating skills (yet), poor topic choice and have a lack of good manners.

I think I can speak in name of a significant share of ‘old’ regular Jolt people:

‘Mods, don’t fall into the trap of locking threads just because someone doesn’t like the content’.

By doing it, you’re undermining the initial concept of Nationstates and the General forum section in special: a place where you can debate about everything. This is including the idea of thinking aloud that God doesn’t exist.

By locking threads just to fulfil the desire of the young weak debaters you’ll result in an exodus of regular ones. The quality of the forum already dropped a lot and would continue dropping in the future. At a sudden point we only can talk 'bout the birds and the bees and the flowers and the trees. I don’t think this is what the founding fathers & mothers of Nationstates had in mind. Stay at your core business: go for quality, not for number of posters. Else you’re just a forum like zillion other ones.

However, we always can talk about the weather.
In Antwerp (Belgium), it is cold for the time of the year, the sky is covered with clouds and the rain will fall any minute now.

How’s the weather in your place?


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Re: *BREAKING NEWS*: Debates are forbidden on NS

Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:22 am

Let's check the whine-o-meter...BUZZ Holy crap! It's gone haywire!
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Re: *BREAKING NEWS*: Debates are forbidden on NS

Postby Non Aligned States » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:33 am

Hairless Kitten has a point though. While not quite as bad as she's made it out to be, I've noted that the mods are touchier of late, and the quality of moderation complaints are more towards the "Oh noes, they made fun of me" line than the more serious offenses. I've wondered about that.
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Re: *BREAKING NEWS*: Debates are forbidden on NS

Postby Galloism » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:33 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:Starting from today, forget debating about:

• Hot Lesbians


I demand a recount.

Seriously, this is a pathetic thread.

*passes out cheese*
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Re: *BREAKING NEWS*: Debates are forbidden on NS

Postby United Dependencies » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:33 am

I wonder why.
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Re: *BREAKING NEWS*: Debates are forbidden on NS

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:34 am

Galloism wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:Starting from today, forget debating about:

• Hot Lesbians


I demand a recount.

Seriously, this is a pathetic thread.

*passes out cheese*


*eats some cheese*

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Postby United Dependencies » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:38 am

I guess we will all just have to start our own thread
with blackjack and hookers.
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Re: *BREAKING NEWS*: Debates are forbidden on NS

Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:39 am

United Dependencies wrote:I guess we will all just have to start our own thread
with blackjack and hookers.


Strip poker? Uuuuuhhhh, nice. :clap:
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:39 am

United Dependencies wrote:I guess we will all just have to start our own thread
with blackjack and hookers.


I'm in. :twisted:
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
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Buffett and Colbert wrote:My law class took my virginity. And it was 100% consensual.

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Re: *BREAKING NEWS*: Debates are forbidden on NS

Postby Seculartopia » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:39 am

Non Aligned States wrote:Hairless Kitten has a point though. While not quite as bad as she's made it out to be, I've noted that the mods are touchier of late, and the quality of moderation complaints are more towards the "Oh noes, they made fun of me" line than the more serious offenses. I've wondered about that.


They do have an interesting point. I don't remember the jolt forum s though because i joined way afterwards.

But i wouldnt say Debates are forbidden. Ya, they are met almost all the time with complainers and whiners who complain that teh thread is unfair, and some that will declare war on your ideas or sanction them.

It doesnt mean you cant debate, maybe just dont be as "This is the way it is"-ish.
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Re: *BREAKING NEWS*: Debates are forbidden on NS

Postby Galloism » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:39 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:I guess we will all just have to start our own thread
with blackjack and hookers.


Strip poker? Uuuuuhhhh, nice. :clap:


Sounds like a good evening.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:41 am

Galloism wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:I guess we will all just have to start our own thread
with blackjack and hookers.


Strip poker? Uuuuuhhhh, nice. :clap:


Sounds like a good evening.


Master, you're in charge of the bar. :hug:
Buffy, you bring the snacks. I want mofongo balls. Deliver! :D
UD, you bring the hookers. ;)
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Postby United Dependencies » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:42 am

Seculartopia wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:Hairless Kitten has a point though. While not quite as bad as she's made it out to be, I've noted that the mods are touchier of late, and the quality of moderation complaints are more towards the "Oh noes, they made fun of me" line than the more serious offenses. I've wondered about that.


They do have an interesting point. I don't remember the jolt forum s though because i joined way afterwards.

But i wouldnt say Debates are forbidden. Ya, they are met almost all the time with complainers and whiners who complain that teh thread is unfair, and some that will declare war on your ideas or sanction them.

It doesnt mean you cant debate, maybe just dont be as "This is the way it is"-ish.


Back on topic though:

I wonder why it seems like the mods are a little more reactive as of late.
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:43 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Master, you're in charge of the bar. :hug:
Buffy, you bring the snacks. I want mofongo balls. Deliver! :D
UD, you bring the hookers. ;)


Pollo o camarones? Puñeta, traeré los dos. :D
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
Keronians wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:My law class took my virginity. And it was 100% consensual.

I accuse your precious law class of statutory rape.

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Postby Seculartopia » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:44 am

United Dependencies wrote:
Seculartopia wrote:
Non Aligned States wrote:Hairless Kitten has a point though. While not quite as bad as she's made it out to be, I've noted that the mods are touchier of late, and the quality of moderation complaints are more towards the "Oh noes, they made fun of me" line than the more serious offenses. I've wondered about that.


They do have an interesting point. I don't remember the jolt forum s though because i joined way afterwards.

But i wouldnt say Debates are forbidden. Ya, they are met almost all the time with complainers and whiners who complain that teh thread is unfair, and some that will declare war on your ideas or sanction them.

It doesnt mean you cant debate, maybe just dont be as "This is the way it is"-ish.


Back on topic though:

I wonder why it seems like the mods are a little more reactive as of late.


The mods have a mind of their own. I mean that both literally and metaphorically.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:45 am

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Master, you're in charge of the bar. :hug:
Buffy, you bring the snacks. I want mofongo balls. Deliver! :D
UD, you bring the hookers. ;)


Pollo o camarones? Puñeta, traeré los dos. :D


Carrucho, coño, carrucho! :D

No, but I know what the OP means. There have been some things that were permissible on Jolt, like the memes, and now we cannot use them.
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:46 am

United Dependencies wrote:quote]

Back on topic though:

I wonder why it seems like the mods are a little more reactive as of late.


I never bothered with the Jolt Forum so I don't know personally what it was like, but I get the feeling they were a little more lenient. I don't think they're being unfair at all though. Hairless Kitten's thread was trolling in my opinion. She offered no explanation for her claim, just a haphazard fuck of an OP. All she wanted to do was bait strong theists into her thread and see what would have happened, I think.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
Keronians wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:My law class took my virginity. And it was 100% consensual.

I accuse your precious law class of statutory rape.

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Postby Aelosia » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:46 am

Now Jolt people are "old" people?

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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:46 am

anybody else getting a bit tired of the "everything was better on jolt" whining?

although, I do believe I may be alone in thinking the jolt forums were crap and that was why I stopped posting on them soon after the switch to jolt from the original forum.
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Postby NERVUN » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:47 am

Non Aligned States wrote:Hairless Kitten has a point though. While not quite as bad as she's made it out to be, I've noted that the mods are touchier of late, and the quality of moderation complaints are more towards the "Oh noes, they made fun of me" line than the more serious offenses. I've wondered about that.

Ya know... no, I don't see it. We've seen hoards of new players rush in before. The move apparently encouraged some of the RPGers to give General a chance where they found out that we are bastards and bitches par excellence and I think the Mods have been having to deal with people who normally operate under a somewhat different set of rules and are trying hard to make sure everyone is playing nice.

But, we've gotten in newbie hoards before during summer and after a few months, they either leave or go some skin. I really don't see much of a decline in debate, if anything, we've just gotten more of them and meaner because for the first time in a long time, we're not talking to ourselves and there's more than just the usual suspects tho disagree with.
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Re: *BREAKING NEWS*: Debates are forbidden on NS

Postby Treznor » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:02 am

Hmm...I'm tempted to call bullshit. But before I do, I invite you to provide links to threads that were locked purely on the basis that someone didn't like the content, and not because the OP was violating forum rules.

For example, my Rules of Acquisition thread was locked because I was deemed to be baiting, but I'm willing to accept this. Does this fall under your litany of complaints?

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Postby Treznor » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:03 am

Aelosia wrote:Now Jolt people are "old" people?

Get off of my lawn you kids

Yeah, don't make me whack you with my cane!

Unless...you happen to like that sort of thing. Then we can talk.

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Postby Nodinia » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:04 am

Aelosia wrote:Now Jolt people are "old" people?

Get off of my lawn you kids



Though it is true that some of us Jolt people are old people, but thats a different kettle of fish altogether.......

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Postby Non Aligned States » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:07 am

NERVUN wrote:Ya know... no, I don't see it. We've seen hoards of new players rush in before. The move apparently encouraged some of the RPGers to give General a chance where they found out that we are bastards and bitches par excellence and I think the Mods have been having to deal with people who normally operate under a somewhat different set of rules and are trying hard to make sure everyone is playing nice.

But, we've gotten in newbie hoards before during summer and after a few months, they either leave or go some skin. I really don't see much of a decline in debate, if anything, we've just gotten more of them and meaner because for the first time in a long time, we're not talking to ourselves and there's more than just the usual suspects tho disagree with.


Don't know about you, but I picked up an official warning on here over stuff that would have been ignored back in Jolt, and a few warnings I saw get passed out were for what were pretty mild things on Jolt, and a peak in moderation do show a few more complaints over minor stuff.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:07 am

Aelosia wrote:Now Jolt people are "old" people?

Get off of my lawn you kids


probably evil of me, and even approaching a hijack, so I apologize for the following.

I cannot resist..........

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