Mormon Missionaries.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Ok, no matter how punny that is, that's enough. Buffet and Colbert, go to your room. Dread Lady Nathicana, go to my room.

Aww, don't be such a punt.

[Buffett and Colbert]

I really didn't intend for this to turn into a debate the Mormon poster on nsg thread.
okay, yeah some of the claims do seem a little far out, but most religions have those sort of claims that are far out there.
In history, belief, and other aspects.

Pfft. We're punning now. Get with the times.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I really didn't intend for this to turn into a debate the Mormon poster on nsg thread.
okay, yeah some of the claims do seem a little far out, but most religions have those sort of claims that are far out there.
In history, belief, and other aspects.

Dude, they come to your place and did you talk to them?

[Muravyets]

I don't really care. I just didn't care for the assertion that Jesus miraculously created grape juice, which would be about the lamest miracle ever.

Well, I have never understood the need to retrofit a holy text to fit a new religious rule, as if "We do this because we're <fill in name of religion>" isn't good enough. Do they think no Mormons would adhere to the rule if it didn't come with the Jesus stamp of approval on it? Maybe so... As I said, it's not our non-Mormon business, but yeah, if one follows a rule that has what amounts to a made-up justification attached to it, one should not trot out that made-up justification to outsiders and expect them to buy into it. It says "wine" in the Bible story, not "grape juice." If Mormons want to rewrite it to read "grape juice" that's their business, but they're not going to sell that to anyone who isn't a Mormon.

[Greed and Death]

I really didn't intend for this to turn into a debate the Mormon poster on nsg thread.
okay, yeah some of the claims do seem a little far out, but most religions have those sort of claims that are far out there.
In history, belief, and other aspects.

Dude, they come to your place and did you talk to them?

Yeah and talked to them today while i was eating at their church.
Nice and friendly people really.
They were a bit taken back with me quoting Aristotle and Hume.
They are trying to figure out how to reconcile my sense of subjectivity with their view of truth.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I really didn't intend for this to turn into a debate the Mormon poster on nsg thread.
okay, yeah some of the claims do seem a little far out, but most religions have those sort of claims that are far out there.
In history, belief, and other aspects.

Dude, they come to your place and did you talk to them?

Yeah and talked to them today while i was eating at their church.
Nice and friendly people really.
They were a bit taken back with me quoting Aristotle and Hume.
They are trying to figure out how to reconcile my sense of subjectivity with their view of truth.

Cool then. At least you had a good meal.

[Muravyets]

I really didn't intend for this to turn into a debate the Mormon poster on nsg thread.
okay, yeah some of the claims do seem a little far out, but most religions have those sort of claims that are far out there.
In history, belief, and other aspects.

Dude, they come to your place and did you talk to them?

Yeah and talked to them today while i was eating at their church.
Nice and friendly people really.
They were a bit taken back with me quoting Aristotle and Hume.
They are trying to figure out how to reconcile my sense of subjectivity with their view of truth.

And...do you think they'll succeed?

[KiloMikeAlpha]

I really didn't intend for this to turn into a debate the Mormon poster on nsg thread.
okay, yeah some of the claims do seem a little far out, but most religions have those sort of claims that are far out there.
In history, belief, and other aspects.

Dude, they come to your place and did you talk to them?

Yeah and talked to them today while i was eating at their church.
Nice and friendly people really.
They were a bit taken back with me quoting Aristotle and Hume.
They are trying to figure out how to reconcile my sense of subjectivity with their view of truth.

What was thier response to the Aristotle question?

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Just curious, what was going on today (Saturday) where you would be eating there?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Yes. I don't see the point in Wine-ing about such things.

Oh, he wasn't wine-ing really. He was just trying to figure out the 'spirit' of it all. *nods sagely*

Ok, no matter how punny that is, that's enough. Buffet and Colbert, go to your room. Dread Lady Nathicana, go to my room.

But Gallo, if I do that, I get a spanking. And not in a good way.
Wouldn't be prudent! Wouldn't be right!

Well, I have never understood the need to retrofit a holy text to fit a new religious rule, as if "We do this because we're <fill in name of religion>" isn't good enough. Do they think no Mormons would adhere to the rule if it didn't come with the Jesus stamp of approval on it? Maybe so... As I said, it's not our non-Mormon business, but yeah, if one follows a rule that has what amounts to a made-up justification attached to it, one should not trot out that made-up justification to outsiders and expect them to buy into it. It says "wine" in the Bible story, not "grape juice." If Mormons want to rewrite it to read "grape juice" that's their business, but they're not going to sell that to anyone who isn't a Mormon.

I think we already covered that earlier. I don't see 'Mormons' retrofitting or rewriting anything. Just one poster suggesting something a tad silly as an opinion.

[Redwulf]

Ok, no matter how punny that is, that's enough. Buffet and Colbert, go to your room. Dread Lady Nathicana, go to my room.

Aww, don't be such a punt.

He's just pinting for the fiords.

[Wilgrove]

I have a serious question for the Mormons. Is it true that if I lead a good Mormon life, then when I die, I get to be a God with my own planet?

[Greed and Death]

Dude, they come to your place and did you talk to them?

Yeah and talked to them today while i was eating at their church.
Nice and friendly people really.
They were a bit taken back with me quoting Aristotle and Hume.
They are trying to figure out how to reconcile my sense of subjectivity with their view of truth.

What was thier response to the Aristotle question?

something to do with the movement west in covered wagons, was the event.
Aristotle they overall liked. Wasn't so much of a question as just several quotes. Aristotle is argued to be a monotheist by many philosophers(or at least my current professor).
Hume they didn't like so much.

[Greed and Death]

Dude, they come to your place and did you talk to them?

Yeah and talked to them today while i was eating at their church.
Nice and friendly people really.
They were a bit taken back with me quoting Aristotle and Hume.
They are trying to figure out how to reconcile my sense of subjectivity with their view of truth.

And...do you think they'll succeed?

No. I am sort of an expert at getting free food off of churches.
I think i am a bit too much of a pantheist to ever be boxed in to one religion.
why do you ask ? worried i will come knocking on your door as a missionary ?

[Intestinal fluids]

I have a serious question for the Mormons. Is it true that if I lead a good Mormon life, then when I die, I get to be a God with my own planet?

I want the Planet that has all the hot green chicks that Kirk always finds.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Yeah and talked to them today while i was eating at their church.
Nice and friendly people really.
They were a bit taken back with me quoting Aristotle and Hume.
They are trying to figure out how to reconcile my sense of subjectivity with their view of truth.

What was thier response to the Aristotle question?

something to do with the movement west in covered wagons, was the event.
Aristotle they overall liked. Wasn't so much of a question as just several quotes. Aristotle is argued to be a monotheist by many philosophers(or at least my current professor).
Hume they didn't like so much.

Oh, Pioneer day. Ok, got it.

I am not very well read on philosophy stuff... I just took Ethics 101 in college and it screwed me up, so I didnt take anymore philosophy classes. What is the Hume stuff?

[Intangelon]

Granted. How many times have doctors said things LIKE "Wine the new heath food" only next week to say "Wine kills you".

As for me and my house, I will obey God. If HE says it's wrong, then it's wrong.

Okay. Stoned anyone lately?

[Intangelon]

It can be argued that the "wine" was simply grape juice. I am not sure on that one either, but the argument is there. It still does not change the fact that the commandment is there now.

We are told the "Words of Wisdom" is structured so that even the weakest of saints can obey. Simply put, because these are addictive substances, for some people, even a drop of wine can be bad. So it is best to err on the side of caution and say that no amount is OK.

I'm amazed at how flexible you can be when someone points out a contradiction, but how inflexible you are when you get self-righteous. You now have an answer for why I don't want religious groups trying to make their laws everyone's laws. Thank you.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Granted. How many times have doctors said things LIKE "Wine the new heath food" only next week to say "Wine kills you".

As for me and my house, I will obey God. If HE says it's wrong, then it's wrong.

Okay. Stoned anyone lately?

Turned the other cheek lately? You are referring to Laws of Moses and the Levitical laws, which were rendered obsolete by a new law, Christ's Law. He said "Let any of you who are without sin cast the first stone".

[Muravyets]

I think we already covered that earlier. I don't see 'Mormons' retrofitting or rewriting anything. Just one poster suggesting something a tad silly as an opinion.

Okay, just KMA doing it, then. Got it.

[Muravyets]

No. I am sort of an expert at getting free food off of churches.
I think i am a bit too much of a pantheist to ever be boxed in to one religion.
why do you ask ? worried i will come knocking on your door as a missionary ?

While that thought does turn my blood to ice just a bit, no. I was just hoping for some reports of amusing philosophical hijinks.

[Intangelon]

KMA, yaknow ... ya got a tg you might want to peek at. All the same - you're not doing yourself, or the church very many favors carrying on the way you have with some of this. Seriously. Take a moment and think through things before you tear off a post.

I know you're enthusiastic and all, but ... yeah. Just an observation.

I understand your concerns. Are we not counciled to educate? To not let false accusations lie? But to do it in a non-contentous way.

There are some serious misinformation here. I am merely educating. If I get too contentious, please let me know and I will ratchet it back.

Well, you're dictating, not educating. Seems like your points are less educative and more defensive. It's fine to not let false accusations lie, but if you "educate" with misinformation, guesses and opinions, well...

[Intangelon]

OK. Please do not fall prey to false accusations about the LDS church. If you want to learn, ask, or go online, or go straight to the "horses mouth" and pray.

DLN is correct, I am probably doing more harm than good, so I will bow out of this conversation. If you have any more serious questions or concerns, PM me.

I love how religious folks ask the non religious to pray.

If a dedicated and adamant virgin wanted to know more about sex and sexuality, would you advise them to fuck someone?

If I think that prayer is illogical and a waste of time (I don't, necessarily, but that's an altogether different kettle of sturgeon), anyone telling me to "pray about" something is really wasting their time.

[Greed and Death]

No. I am sort of an expert at getting free food off of churches.
I think i am a bit too much of a pantheist to ever be boxed in to one religion.
why do you ask ? worried i will come knocking on your door as a missionary ?

While that thought does turn my blood to ice just a bit, no. I was just hoping for some reports of amusing philosophical hijinks.

Generally when people feed me i am not confrontational.
Also it is really hard to cause hijinks when they simply say read the book, pray and see if god tells you it is true.
It was so much more fun dealing with the baptist who tried to logically show me Christianity must be true.

[Redwulf]

OK. Please do not fall prey to false accusations about the LDS church. If you want to learn, ask, or go online, or go straight to the "horses mouth" and pray.

DLN is correct, I am probably doing more harm than good, so I will bow out of this conversation. If you have any more serious questions or concerns, PM me.

I love how religious folks ask the non religious to pray.

Or for that matter people who would be praying to vastly different beings. If I asked Eris her advice about this she'd laugh her ass off.