Mormon Missionaries.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Yep. Because I have nothing better to do with my time than make stuff up just to annoy someone else. I couldn't possibly be just speaking my mind, or making honest observations. I have to have a personal agenda against someone I don't even know on a personal basis. Just here to be mean and nasty by using what some would consider polite terms. Somehow.

Far be it from me to try and change your mind after that little diatribe. Nothing I say or do from here on out will be taken at face value, seemingly - at least not by yourself. Carry on with the putting words or intents in other people's mouths, I just can't be bothered with more of it. (Shutting the fuck up, was it? Hardly. The 'wasting time' comment you quoted there was clearly, and repeatedly, directed at the OP, and others who thought baiting the missionaries would be a great pastime.)

As for making an exit? Its after midnight, and I've got to get some sleep, or I'd have been happy to go back and quote every post of yours that illustrated the reason for the opinion I'd developed in a relatively short time. As it stands, they're there, and anyone is free to go back and read them. Sorry to disappoint. And g'night.

[Muravyets]

And g'night.

Next time, just please keep your accusations for those who are actually doing the thing you don't like, thanks.

And save your energy -- you are not going to find posts of me demonizing Mormons or denouncing Mormons or denigrating Mormons, unless you really enjoy picking cherries. If you read whole posts, though, you will only see me doing exactly what I said, criticizing specific people for specific things they really did, and not for being Mormons. And you will not see me saying a single word about the Mormon religion, Mormon beliefs, or Mormon religious practices.

Good night to you too.

[Arthropoda Ingens]

Twelve pages, yet people forgot the most important bit.

Bring back polygamy.

[Intestinal fluids]

Bring back polygamy.

It never left, you just have to know all the right compounds.

[No Names Left Damn It]

I WILL NOT debate you on this subject because it is not meant to be debated in open forums.

Or because you know deep down that your religion actually manages to be even more fucking retarded than the rest, and if you get into a debate your beliefs will be destroyed.

[Buffett and Colbert]

The only thing I will say about the Blood Atonement was that is used to be in practice, much like poligamy.

We dont practice nor condone poligamy any more, and we dont practice the Blood Atonement either.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7331909.stm

A little late for this in the conversation but thought you'd like to know.

[Intestinal fluids]

When i think about Religions and hear of all of their tales. declarations, fables, activities, historical accomplishments and impossible boasts it amazes me how many billions of people it has helped.



Then i remember, if you give some people sugar pills and tell them its medicine they get better too so there you go.

[Buffett and Colbert]

When i think about Religions and hear of all of their tales. declarations, fables, activities, historical accomplishments and impossible boasts it amazes me how many billions of people it has helped.



Then i remember, if you give some people sugar pills and tell them its medicine they get better too so there you go.

So... We should take religion with a grain of salt?

[Intangelon]

No, dear. Not in the least. I have however noticed a definite tone to your posts, the vehemence with which they have been delivered, the doggedness with which you have hunted down any possible reason to be offended, and then promptly and loudly been offended.

Okay, here we go.

Step 1: Make it personal. Criticize Muravyet's tone instead of the content of her statements.

No, some of his posts have not helped people's views - which is what I was trying to politely get at there by pointing out that while our church does indeed help, and in many areas have had members who for whatever reason were among the first on the scene, so have many others, and it really shouldn't matter who it is who's helping in the end, so long as those requiring assistance get it. Because again, why we do it isn't for the kudos or the claps on the back or the tv face time. At least that's what I've always been taught. We do it for the same reasons other decent human beings do it - its the right thing to do.

Step 2: Make yourself look superior. Backpedal from one's own tone of vehemence and offendedness in one's earlier posts. Make sure not to change your stance but rather to pretend it was never any different so that you can continue to criticize Muravyets for her tone.

Now you're free to try and look for insult in that if you like, just as you're free to continue to point the finger and look for reasons to be angry about Mormons, their missionaries, and any reason you feel you may have been, or may be in the future wronged by them, their beliefs, or their very existence, but I'm not going to sit and argue with you about it.

Step 3: Don't let your opponent tell you what they were saying. Remember, he who controls history, controls the future. Repeat the accusation that Muravyets has been attacking Mormons without quoting her doing so as she requested and despite her earlier statements that she is criticizing specific people for specific actions -- missionaries for being obnoxious, the LDS Church for their Prop 8 Campaign, and KMA for making bad arguments -- but not Mormons for being Mormon. Note: Those statements are clearly backed up by an honest reading of my posts, but don't let that stop you from casting me as one of the villains your current drama.

I've tried to point out a few things - including the topical bit about 'if you're not interested, there's really no point in wasting their time (the missionaries) or yours', ...

Step 5: Keep it personal. Politely remind Muravyets that she always has the option of just shutting the fuck up, which you would probably like her to do, and which she certainly would do if she had any decency.

...that I don't think some of the things claimed about the religion are correct, and that we're pretty much like a lot of others out there in some things like community service. And that being said, along with the offer of trying to clarify to the best of my ability any actual pertinent questions someone might have, there's probably not much more point in continuing to post.

Just not interested in the back and forth pro-mormon vs anti-mormon propaganda bs that tends to get going, sorry.

Step 6: Make good your escape. Exit thread on a sad but resigned note, having first made sure that everyone knows you were only trying to be a peacemaker, but with people like these around, ah, what can be done?

Well... 'bye then.

Wow. I have copied that into a Word file as a classic example of the Internet debate trope.

Well done, Murv.

[Noogie Noggins]

Yes, act nasty and show how stupid you all really are. Most of you are totally ignorant about a large group of people but think that by acting as twits and boors you will come out looking like you are sophisticated and knowledgeable. If you don't wish to hear from them, just say so. What right have any of you to attack the faith of others?

[Intangelon]

Yes, act nasty and show how stupid you all really are. Most of you are totally ignorant about a large group of people but think that by acting as twits and boors you will come out looking like you are sophisticated and knowledgeable. If you don't wish to hear from them, just say so. What right have any of you to attack the faith of others?

The same right they have to proselytize. See how that works?

[Buffett and Colbert]

Yes, act nasty and show how stupid you all really are. Most of you are totally ignorant about a large group of people but think that by acting as twits and boors you will come out looking like you are sophisticated and knowledgeable. If you don't wish to hear from them, just say so. What right have any of you to attack the faith of others?

The same right you have to make this post. And guess what? Just on your first post, you've made it onto my mental list of people to ignore. Congrats!

[Intestinal fluids]

To me Religion is the Matrix. You can swallow the red pill and swallow the stories about spirits in volcanos, Jesus in North America, invisible gods living in the sky warning naked people not to take dietary advice from snakes or whatever other fable you pick and you will live happily forever in a warm caring heaven (or the matrix) or you can take the blue pill and face frankly the reality of the situation which probably is you live you die, game over,and outside of a handful of organisms on a tiny rotating piece of rock which is in turn a infitesmal speck in the greater picture and none really knows or gives a shit about what happens to you. This applies to even the greatest humans in all of history. Its still pissing in the ocean.

Can you name the greatest accomplishment of the greatest single mould spore on that old rotted orange? Yea me either.

[Buffett and Colbert]

To me Religion is the Matrix. You can swallow the red pill and swallow the stories about spirits in volcanos, Jesus in North America, invisible gods living in the sky warning naked people not to take dietary advice from snakes or whatever other fable you pick and you will live happily forever in a warm caring heaven (or the matrix) or you can take the blue pill and face frankly the reality of the situation which probably is you live you die, game over,and outside of a handful of organisms on a tiny rotating piece of rock which is in turn a infitesmal speck in the greater picture and none really knows or gives a shit about what happens to you. This applies to even the greatest humans in all of history. Its still pissing in the ocean.

Can you name the greatest accomplishment of the greatest single mould spore on that old rotted orange? Yea me either.

Penicillin? Or was that rhetorical...?

[Milks Empire]

Can you name the greatest accomplishment of the greatest single mould spore on that old rotted orange? Yea me either.

Penicillin? Or was that rhetorical...?

Either way, Epic Win!

[Buffett and Colbert]

Can you name the greatest accomplishment of the greatest single mould spore on that old rotted orange? Yea me either.

Penicillin? Or was that rhetorical...?

Either way, Epic Win!

For me? You shouldn't have!

[Intestinal fluids]

I was just reading wiki entry on placebo effect and interesting quote

"Both conditioning and expectations play a role in placebo effect,[27] and make different kinds of contribution. Conditioning has a longer lasting effect,[28] and can effect earlier stages of information processing.[29] A conditioned pain reduction can be totally removed when its existence is explained.[30] The expectancy effect can be enhanced through factors such as the enthusiasm of the doctor, differences in size and color of placebo pills, or the use of other inventions such as injections. In one study, the response to a placebo increased from 44% to 62% when the doctor gave them with "warmth, attention, and confidence".[31] Expectancy effects have been found to occur with a range of substances. Those who think a treatment will work display a stronger placebo effect than those who do not,"

That to me screams Religion. Use different color and size stories, instead of injections give them things to walk up to, and put in their mouth or drink,to take on and off alters,to wear, to make a preacher act enthusiastic about, the whole scene goes and on and on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

[Milks Empire]

Intestinal fluids: Can you name the greatest accomplishment of the greatest single mould spore on that old rotted orange? Yea me either.
Penicillin? Or was that rhetorical...?

Either way, Epic Win!

For me? You shouldn't have!

Oh, but I did.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Oh, but I did.

Wait, you were actually referring to me?

[Wilgrove]

To me Religion is the Matrix. You can swallow the red pill and swallow the stories about spirits in volcanos, Jesus in North America, invisible gods living in the sky warning naked people not to take dietary advice from snakes or whatever other fable you pick and you will live happily forever in a warm caring heaven (or the matrix) or you can take the blue pill and face frankly the reality of the situation which probably is you live you die, game over,and outside of a handful of organisms on a tiny rotating piece of rock which is in turn a infitesmal speck in the greater picture and none really knows or gives a shit about what happens to you. This applies to even the greatest humans in all of history. Its still pissing in the ocean.

Can you name the greatest accomplishment of the greatest single mould spore on that old rotted orange? Yea me either.

You got the pills mixed up.

[No Names Left Damn It]

You got the pills mixed up.

Only you, Wil.

[Wilgrove]

You got the pills mixed up.

Only you, Wil.

[Milks Empire]

Oh, but I did.

Wait, you were actually referring to me?

Ja, unbedingt!

[Buffett and Colbert]

Oh, but I did.

Wait, you were actually referring to me?

Ja, unbedingt!

I know what ja means, but generally, "Nine spreaken der Deutche."

[Katganistan]

I have a Church of Latter Day Saints one measly block from my house, about a two minute walk (if you're weighed down with stuff) and do you know what they've done to annoy me?


Absolutely NOTHING. Wonderful neighbors.