Mormon Missionaries.

[Buffett and Colbert]

But you had it. That is a taint on your pseudo-peaceful religion.

Umm what do you mean. we had it so we are not peaceful? They were ordered to kill MORMONS. What other religion in the US has had an extermination order placed on them by a Governer?

Indians were massacred. They were of a different religion.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Ugh. You know, it isn't as though every group out there has its good and bad points. I get a little tired of getting accused of being some horrible un-Christian monster just because I'm Mormon.

Yeah. Me. Terrible example of one, but there you have it. And probably a bit more devout in it than my antics on here may suggest now and then. I've a sense of humor. So sue me.

Its a long thread, and I've a headache, so I'm not about to go through all the way back and try to pick through everything that may or may not be correct to the best of my understanding. What I am going to suggest is that if you are not serious about giving the church a real look, don't waste your time, or the missionary's. If you are actually interested, ask some questions. Do some research. Check the lds.org site. Do some cross-referening. Pray *gasp* about it.

And if any of you actually have some questions worth asking that you think I can answer as truthfully as I can, well ask away. I'll be the first to tell you I don't think my religion has been perfect over the years, and I may or may not agree with some of the more controversial points that have been brought up. I also am not a professional history scholar, so I have to do some of my own research on things as well.

I still think its the best thing we've got going on currently, and to me, it makes more sense than a lot of other choices out there.

[Milks Empire]

Guys... some of you are teetering pretty close to flamebaiting. Is there any way you could lay off KMA a little?

[KiloMikeAlpha]

And how many Mormons do you think were executed in 1975?

You also didn't respond to my inquiry about the Mormons disguising themselves as indians as if they were the ones on the hunt.

yeah. I did. I said I didnt know the whole story. If you want to know it, we dont hide it. I just remember bits and peices of the story I heard.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Guys... some of you are teetering pretty close to flamebaiting. Is there any way you could lay off KMA a little?

*goes over and sulks in corner*

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Guys... some of you are teetering pretty close to flamebaiting. Is there any way you could lay off KMA a little?

I appreciate it, but I can handle this. I have been in FAR worse conversations. I was on thier side most of my life.

[Buffett and Colbert]

And how many Mormons do you think were executed in 1975?

You also didn't respond to my inquiry about the Mormons disguising themselves as indians as if they were the ones on the hunt.

yeah. I did. I said I didnt know the whole story. If you want to know it, we dont hide it. I just remember bits and peices of the story I heard.

So what makes you qualified enough to make comments about it?

[Buffett and Colbert]

Guys... some of you are teetering pretty close to flamebaiting. Is there any way you could lay off KMA a little?

I appreciate it, but I can handle this. I have been in FAR worse conversations. I was on thier side most of my life.

Ooh cuz we're evils!

[KiloMikeAlpha]

But you had it. That is a taint on your pseudo-peaceful religion.

Umm what do you mean. we had it so we are not peaceful? They were ordered to kill MORMONS. What other religion in the US has had an extermination order placed on them by a Governer?

Indians were massacred. They were of a different religion.

Actually.... not as different as you may think. Look it up on the web site.

[Wilgrove]

Oh, if you really want to get the Mormons riled up, ask about Blood Atonement and why some sins aren't covered by the Blood of Christ, so those members are shot.

I think interracial marriage was one of those sins.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

And how many Mormons do you think were executed in 1975?

You also didn't respond to my inquiry about the Mormons disguising themselves as indians as if they were the ones on the hunt.

yeah. I did. I said I didnt know the whole story. If you want to know it, we dont hide it. I just remember bits and peices of the story I heard.

So what makes you qualified enough to make comments about it?

I'm not, I was relating bits and pieces.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Actually.... not as different as you may think. Look it up on the web site.

Could you rephrase this <snip rather unfriendly comment on second thought>? I do believe there are ever so slight differences between Christianity and the various religions of the Native Americans. But hey, that's just me.

[Milks Empire]

Guys... some of you are teetering pretty close to flamebaiting. Is there any way you could lay off KMA a little?

I appreciate it, but I can handle this. I have been in FAR worse conversations. I was on thier side most of my life.

For most of my life, I've been on the receiving end of less than flattering comments about aspects of myself. I don't like seeing it happen to anyone else.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Oh, if you really want to get the Mormons riled up, ask about Blood Atonement and why some sins aren't covered by the Blood of Christ, so those members are shot.

I think interracial marriage was one of those sins.

Um ... source that isn't pure anti-mormon bs per favore? Because that is -nothing- like -anything- I have -ever- heard taught or seen listed in our beliefs. Anywhere.

[Buffett and Colbert]

I'm not, I was relating bits and pieces.

And not knowing the full story makes you qualified to recount it?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I'm not, I was relating bits and pieces.

And not knowing the full story makes you qualified to recount it?

To be fair, if we all have to have been there and seen that, or know inherently the 'entire story', we might as well pack up General right now and go home, because NONE of us are thusly qualified to debate here.

[Wilgrove]

Oh, if you really want to get the Mormons riled up, ask about Blood Atonement and why some sins aren't covered by the Blood of Christ, so those members are shot.

I think interracial marriage was one of those sins.

Um ... source that isn't pure anti-mormon bs per favore? Because that is -nothing- like -anything- I have -ever- heard taught or seen listed in our beliefs. Anywhere.

n Mormonism, blood atonement is the controversial concept that there are certain sins to which the atonement of Jesus does not apply, and that before a Mormon who has committed these sins can achieve the highest degree of salvation, he or she must personally atone for the sin by "hav[ing] their blood spilt upon the ground, that the smoke thereof might ascend to heaven as an offering for their sins".[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Tea?

No thanks, I dont touch the stuff.... Yes tea.

Drugs I can understand. Alcohol too. Caffeine is stretching it but TEA? What on earth does tea do that's so dastardly?

the Word of Wisdom as it is called, says "hot drinks are not for the belly". Modern prophets have indicated this is coffee and tea (excluding herbal tea)

We are not told it is the caffeine. There are plenty of other harmful substances in both coffee and tea.

[Molested Sock]

Well long story short I was fixing things outside the apartment complex I live at. These two missionaries happen to come by and strike up a conversation. Near the end of which they offer to help. I got them to do about half my work for the day.

However, I also agreed to let them come over to my place Friday in the evening to talk to me about their religion.
I have decided why not have some fun with this, Those more knowledgeable about the church of latter day saints, please provide me information to make the conversation amusing.

an example of a amusing conversation wolf be plato's Euthyphro.

One time they came over I talked to them about Rugby, because they asked about the socks I was wearing.
Another time they tried to convert me to this Jesus character, I wasn't interested, because they were trying to enlighten me to his awesomeness, but I already did believe.
One time the dog jumped on them and licked them.
A friend at school and his dad were working in the yard at the back of their property, they saw the mormons coming, the dad said "Ah Mormons", then he jumped into the neighbours property to get away.

[Galloism]

And if any of you actually have some questions worth asking that you think I can answer as truthfully as I can, well ask away. I'll be the first to tell you I don't think my religion has been perfect over the years, and I may or may not agree with some of the more controversial points that have been brought up. I also am not a professional history scholar, so I have to do some of my own research on things as well.

Of course not, and I'm not trying to blame modern-day Mormons for the Mountain Meadows Massacre or anything else. If you go back in time, you'll see the crusades by the Catholics, 16th century France between Protestants and Catholics, hell even the Buddhists got angry once in a while and went around killing people. To blame the people for the actions of those long since dead is foolish.

Nanatsu misunderstood the Mountain Meadows Massacre, and I was simply clarifying.

[Milks Empire]

I'm not, I was relating bits and pieces.

And not knowing the full story makes you qualified to recount it?

To be fair, if we all have to have been there and seen that, or know inherently the 'entire story', we might as well pack up General right now and go home, because NONE of us are thusly qualified to debate here.

*packs up and goes home*

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

n Mormonism, blood atonement is the controversial concept that there are certain sins to which the atonement of Jesus does not apply, and that before a Mormon who has committed these sins can achieve the highest degree of salvation, he or she must personally atone for the sin by "hav[ing] their blood spilt upon the ground, that the smoke thereof might ascend to heaven as an offering for their sins".[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement

Oh do get a grip. Wikipedia is now the end-all authority on what is and isn't fact? Don't make me laugh. I have -never- heard of anything like this, ever, anywhere, repeat. That is just ... wow. It boggles the mind, that bit of idiocy.

[Muravyets]

Guys... some of you are teetering pretty close to flamebaiting. Is there any way you could lay off KMA a little?

For the record, I complain about missionaries not because they are Mormon but because they are missionaries. I don't care what religion they are.

And I don't poke fun at KMA's bad arguments because they come from KMA, but because they are bad arguments.

Just wanted to clarify that. Bye now.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Oh, if you really want to get the Mormons riled up, ask about Blood Atonement and why some sins aren't covered by the Blood of Christ, so those members are shot.

I think interracial marriage was one of those sins.

Um ... source that isn't pure anti-mormon bs per favore? Because that is -nothing- like -anything- I have -ever- heard taught or seen listed in our beliefs. Anywhere.

n Mormonism, blood atonement is the controversial concept that there are certain sins to which the atonement of Jesus does not apply, and that before a Mormon who has committed these sins can achieve the highest degree of salvation, he or she must personally atone for the sin by "hav[ing] their blood spilt upon the ground, that the smoke thereof might ascend to heaven as an offering for their sins".[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement

Blood Atonement is a temple thing which is not practiced anymore. I'm sure you can look it up somewhere. You jsut wont get an official LDS stance on it because we dont talk about what goes on in the temples.

[Wilgrove]

Oh do get a grip. Wikipedia is now the end-all authority on what is and isn't fact? Don't make me laugh. I have -never- heard of anything like this, ever, anywhere, repeat. That is just ... wow. It boggles the mind, that bit of idiocy.

I knew you were going to say that. This is the source that Wikipedia is quoting.

Young, Brigham (March 2, 1856), "The Necessity of the Saints Living up to the Light Which Has Been Given Them", in Watt, G.D., Journal of Discourses by Brigham Young, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, His Two Counsellors, the Twelve Apostles, and Others, 3, Liverpool: Orson Pratt, 1856, pp. 221–226 .

It seems Brigham Young was the one responsible for Blood Atonement.

You were saying?